[2016-06-11] Crackdown on rudeness

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I’m the proud owner of 6 on the rudeness scale. It was 7 yesterday after I posted an emotional comment about the massacre in Florida by a deranged ISIS sympathizer. I guess I did go a little overboard with my anger, or did I?

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Personally, I consider swearing to be rude no matter the emotional level or the amount I agree or disagree with what you said. I’m sure a few of those 7 came from that alone. fyi

swearing or racist posts will be my primary use of the “Rude!” button.

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question: If the owner of a “Rude” post deletes said post, does that remove the Rude! votes from his counter, or do they remain?

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Personally, I consider swearing to be rude no matter the emotional level or the amount I agree or disagree with what you said. I’m sure a few of those 7 came from that alone. fyi

I understood, and deleted my post and opologised to those I might have offended

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pilotdog68 wrote:
question: If the owner of a “Rude” post deletes said post, does that remove the Rude! votes from his counter, or do they remain?

Mine remained

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atbglenn wrote:
pilotdog68 wrote:
question: If the owner of a “Rude” post deletes said post, does that remove the Rude! votes from his counter, or do they remain?

Mine remained


In 6 days they will be gone. SB knows your not a problem poster so i don’t think there is any harm done

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pilotdog68 wrote:
question: If the owner of a “Rude” post deletes said post, does that remove the Rude! votes from his counter, or do they remain?

They remain. Since the rudeness counter can’t trigger automated account blockage, it’s not really a problem per se if the counter is temporarily high. It’s mainly intended for the majority of our members that really do care about getting along with others, so they can be aware of how their posts are being perceived by others and make amends if necessary.

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Sharpie wrote:

I’ll try to keep it there, or below.

Wink Thanks Sharpie!

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Maybe a “nice” button too ?

Yes, good idea. I’ve been thinking over the technical path toward implementing this functionality too.

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atbglenn wrote:
I guess I did go a little overboard with my anger, or did I?

I have not marked anything “rude” yet, so it wasn’t me. But I did read the post you are referring to and considered trying out the feature. What you did was a general rules violation, not necessarily rule #1, but it was all the others. I decided against pressing the button. But some people did and you have been inquiring why ever since. That’s why.

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pilotdog68 wrote:
question: If the owner of a “Rude” post deletes said post, does that remove the Rude! votes from his counter, or do they remain?

They remain. Since the rudeness counter can’t trigger automated account blockage, it’s not really a problem per se if the counter is temporarily high. It’s mainly intended for the majority of our members that really do care about getting along with others, so they can be aware of how their posts are being perceived by others and make amends if necessary.

The last thing I want to do is to offend anybody. I realize sometimes my emotions get the best of me when it comes to violence towards innocent people, especially in the name of religion. I’ll do my best in the future to control my emotions without swearing.

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If Swearing is rude lol I’d suggest never take a holiday to certain parts of Australia lol! We have some of finest bogans in the world. (red necks or yokels) which ever you prefer lol

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> overboard with my anger, or did I?

I didn’t click the ‘rude’ button but for whatever it’s worth, when I saw a candidate’s talking point — a controversial one —
I thought that might not work well in this thread where people are asked to stay nonpolitical.

Talking points will only get harder to self-filter til the election, as what seems obvious to one of us may seem mistaken to someone else.

There’s no “backing away slowly with no response” button.

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atbglenn wrote:
The last thing I want to do is to offend anybody. I realize sometimes my emotions get the best of me when it comes to violence towards innocent people, especially in the name of religion. I’ll do my best in the future to control my emotions without swearing.
But it’s hard to say “Gosh will Darn this person to Heck” with a straight face! Wink

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I think swearing, especially online, is one of those areas that some folks are always going to be more comfortable with than others. For me personally, if the kid is old enough to be here, or even old enough to be able to read over my shoulder, then they probably already know those words anyway and I don’t worry too much about them reading them online. Those words are out there, in the world, and as a parent I think its futile to try and shield my kids from them. Video sites scare me a lot more than text-based forums.

So yeah, personally, I swear online sometimes. I’ve even done it here. But then I swear in real life sometimes, too. My online personality and my real-life personality are in sync. Honestly I think its kinda silly how we give so much more power to some words than others, even when they mean the same exact thing. So If any of you ever meet me in real life you know exactly what to expect Smile

All that is kinda beside the point though, because this place isn’t a democracy and swearing is clearly against the rules. So while I personally don’t find it rude, it is inappropriate here by decree and I can see how others may choose to click that button because of it.

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emarkd wrote:
I think swearing, especially online, is one of those areas that some folks are always going to be more comfortable with than others. For me personally, if the kid is old enough to be here, or even old enough to be able to read over my shoulder, then they probably already know those words anyway and I don’t worry too much about them reading them online. Those words are out there, in the world, and as a parent I think its futile to try and shield my kids from them. Video sites scare me a lot more than text-based forums.

So yeah, personally, I swear online sometimes. I’ve even done it here. But then I swear in real life sometimes, too. My online personality and my real-life personality are in sync. Honestly I think its kinda silly how we give so much more power to some words than others, even when they mean the same exact thing. So If any of you ever meet me in real life you know exactly what to expect Smile

All that is kinda beside the point though, because this place isn’t a democracy and swearing is clearly against the rules. So while I personally don’t find it rude, it is inappropriate here by decree and I can see how others may choose to click that button because of it.

I get it. Even though I’m 64, I’m still in the learning mode.

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i LOVE the idea of a NICE (or THANKS) button! Love

-> Members collect “thanks” for helpful comments or good reviews – anything that helps the community
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Personally it has nothing to do with kids (I don’t have any). I just don’t like to see it myself. I won’t go into my philosophical reasons for that because it would definitely be divisive.

That being said, I probably wouldn’t hit the Rude button anyways if it wasn’t against the rules like emarkd said. I won’t usually fault people for staying within the rules. On the flip side, if there wasn’t a rule and profanity was the norm, I wouldn’t be here to start with.

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In regards to the nice button, I’d fear Rude people using it to get a lot of “Nice” in their tank then use that to be really awful in a couple of posts without going in the red so to speak, or having multiple accounts to up their Nice level. As long as SB still gets notified when a post is especially rude, I suppose a “nice” button would bring an air of positivity.

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Yea a button opposite the Rude button is just going to justify rude behavior.

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@SB – how about renaming the “Rude!” button to “Rules!” ?

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Or simply ‘Report’ but I don’t mind ‘Rude!’

“Rules!’ could mean “This post RULES!!!!” Big Smile

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sb56637 wrote:
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Maybe a “nice” button too ?

Yes, good idea. I’ve been thinking over the technical path toward implementing this functionality too.

I’ve often wanted to give posts a +1 or a ‘lol’ or a ‘Thanks!’ without posting a new one-word comment. I’d want it to be clear which comment I was thanking them for though. Similarly, if someone lets me know I’m being rude, I’d want to know which comment(s) bothered them. I can guess sometimes, but I’ve often found my guesses are wrong.
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pilotdog68 wrote:
Or simply ‘Report’ but I don’t mind ‘Rude!’

“Rules!’ could mean “This post RULES!!!!” Big Smile

Ha, maybe that would happen. “Report” sounds ok, but I like how the Rudeness-meter is a form a self-governance instead of implying there will be an investigation for every click.

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A nice or like button will create a ranking system among members and people will automatically judge others based on that. Much like how in CPF your knowledge is questioned by your join date and count post… Opinions from people with a low post count are often considered invalid.

About being maked rude for expressing a personal opinion, I think that’s not what the rude button was made for… People can’t start a somewhat controversial topic on a public forum and expect everyone to agree with them. This is why I did not comment on that thread, basically there were 2 or 3 general points of views and they were marking each other rude, how lame.

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I think this whole thing should be scrapped. It’s going to create animosity amongst the community. Just my opinion. It’s one thing when members try to sell kitchens, or cause trouble. That’s another story.

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That thread was doomed from the beginning. It implicitly violated all the rules.

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What thread?

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atbglenn wrote:
I think this whole thing should be scrapped. It’s going to create animosity amongst the community. Just my opinion.

Dude, it’s a good thing. I don’t know how you violated so many rules and didn’t see it. Rude is the only rule you didn’t violate with that post.

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Joshk wrote:
That thread was doomed from the beginning. It implicitly violated all the rules.

Agreed. It turned into what beverage do you like….Completely off topic. I played into it as well.

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Joshk wrote:
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I think this whole thing should be scrapped. It’s going to create animosity amongst the community. Just my opinion.

Dude, it’s a good thing. I don’t know how you violated so many rules and didn’t see it. Rude is the only rule you didn’t violate with that post.

It was one word I said, and it wasn’t that bad to be honest. Another word for backside..

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atbglenn wrote:
It was one word I said, and it wasn’t that bad to be honest. Another word for backside..

I don’t recall the bad language, just a lot of hate and other violations.

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