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Vein Finder Thingie

Was at a hospital yesterday watching a nurse trying to place an IV line in my wife. My wife was slightly dehydrated which was making it harder for the nurse for find a good vein. After some searching, the nurse whipped out a very interesting device. It output a square of red light that when pointed at skin made the veins visible!

Really cool light that would be great for parties.  Though, I couldn't help but wonder if eye protection should be used with it.  Wonder if it would help find wounds on pets and such.  Maybe ticks?

I did a small bit of googling and they are not budget lights (at least for normal people).  Here is one I saw. A little googling shows some folks have tried to DIY these types of lights, but so far I haven't seen anything performing like what we saw. I'm pretty sure it used LED's. It was a handheld plastic device and did not appear to have any active cooling. So I'm thinking it's a fairly low wattage situation. It a was battery powered. Here are a couple pics (links to sources in pics) to give an idea what they do. The first one being red like what we saw.

I want to make one of these lights. Not sure I will ever have any real use for it.  But, do we really need a real utilitarian reason to make a light here? I'll compile a list of the key ingredients here if I or someone here figures it out.  Maybe someone here already knows how to make one and will post a build thread for us interested in making one.

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Interesting .

What I do

 

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Wow neat.

I wonder how it works. Seems expensive for just an LED light no matter the wavelength.

The link you listed says “near infrared”. Maybe the device has an infrared sensor to detect the veins, and then uses an internal computer to translate that to a visual image which it then projects into the square. If that is how it works: computer processing with a projected display, then unfortunately this is not the kind of thing you’ll be able to build yourself.

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Did you get a picture of the device itself?

edit…it’s an Accuvein AV400 vein illuminator . They don’t say what it is on the website, but one website says it’s a UV IR laser

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I think you identified the device RobertB. The nurse didn’t seem to want to let the device out of her control, but it looked very much, if not exactly, like the device you named.

Firelight2 wrote:
Wow neat.

I wonder how it works. Seems expensive for just an LED light no matter the wavelength.

The link you listed says “near infrared”. Maybe the device has an infrared sensor to detect the veins, and then uses an internal computer to translate that to a visual image which it then projects into the square. If that is how it works: computer processing with a projected display, then unfortunately this is not the kind of thing you’ll be able to build yourself.

Hmmm, that does seem like a distinct possibility. You’re right, that would be out of this modder’s league.

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Really cool! Banggood will probably have it in a few weeks for $8.47.

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It’s definitely in the price range of IR cameras. And given that they show the veins in different colors, some with the veins darker, some with the veins lighter… I think Firelight2 nailed it. Otherwise their output would all look the same.

Cool stuff though Big Smile

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It looks like it is projecting what it is reading.

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Yeah, it does look that way. Didn’t occur to me at the time, but I see that now. That would explain why what I have seen DIY’d online doesn’t look anything like what I saw at the hospital.

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jhalb wrote:

It looks like it is projecting what it is reading.


Yes, that seems the only logical, plausible explanation. There’s no way skin is going to reflect visible light differently based on vein placement or even temperature.
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Exactly. Not yet anyway. Maybe next month that technology will be available.tongue-out

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Amazing! Should really help with those people who have hard-to-find veins.

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RobertB wrote:
They don’t say what it is on the website, but one website says it’s a UV laser
You mean IR.
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Hope the wife is better?

Cool tech!
Sounded like some kind of high powered UV when I read the OP but no eye protection

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http://www.instructables.com/id/3d-Printed-Medical-Vein-Finder/

Of course you could simply use one of DB Customs high lumen lights and enlighten your hand from behind. If it doesn’t get vaporized you should see everything in between.

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Sharpie wrote:
Read …
Oh, I have read. And I even understood. As probably everybody else in this thread. I was just pointing to something which could be DIY-ed.
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The Miller wrote:
Hope the wife is better?

Cool tech!
Sounded like some kind of high powered UV when I read the OP but no eye protection

She’s doing much better and recovering as good as could possibly be expected. Thanks for asking. The whole team at the hospital seemed first rate and I am so grateful.

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The glasses seem more practical.

I remember when you could buy them from ads in the back of comic books.

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It’s important to have your restraints within walking distance, lest someone needs restraining. Wink
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Good to hear! Hope she gets well fast!

Now this screams for an app.
I have no Iphone of Iwatch
But the heartbeat sensor or screen sensing many levels of pressure must allow of a 3d scan of what happens under the skin. Then via augmented reality show it to users.
Now that would be an awesome app.

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Martini wrote:
The glasses seem more practical.

I remember when you could buy them from ads in the back of comic books.

!http://i.imgur.com/D2SFhAH.jpg!

What memories I have of those X-ray spec glasses I lusted for as a kid. But who had a dollar much less the 25cents for shipping??? None of my buds that’s for sure. Ahhhhh……the late 50’s thru early 60“s. Shocked Cash

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Streamer wrote:
What memories I have of those X-ray spec glasses I lusted for as a kid. But who had a dollar much less the 25cents for shipping??? None of my buds that’s for sure. Ahhhhh……the late 50’s thru early 60“s. Shocked Cash

That was still big money when I was a kid in the late 60’s early 70’s.

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I’ve used one of these before. The one that I used was a wheeled unit and had the green light. The new smaller one seems to use the red. The larger green one I had used a DLP projector to put the IR map onto the skin. I haven’t used it in years but I do remember putting a gloved hand under it and it seeing through the glove without any problem. One time I used it and was able to get a line started on a patient that had nothing that I could feel or see. I got it right away and was pretty amazed. Interestingly, there was a setting for hairy. In actuality the hairy setting was the best for everybody in my experience. You get to the point where you know the tricks and you sort of sense how to get it and don’t miss. But that said, I sure am glad that there are tools and devices that can help.

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Bright-med supplies the easy to use and high quality “vein viewer”:ttp://budgetlightforum.com/user/reset/19754/1467101995/vpfk2YMoNG-OtDSH4b-lSYaHFL81KCGiPESQOqYgw0g. to easily locate vein.

vein finder manufacture
www.bright-med.com

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This is vein finders. It is a modern infrared light ddevice that is used to find deep and hard to find veins easily.

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Seems like there are two basic flavors of these things. One is really only light with specific color to help highlight the vein. And reviews indicate it only works for easy to find close to the surface veins.
The second is way more sophisticated and uses high tech goodies and costs plenty of $$
https://thenerdynurse.com/vein-finder-lights-how-they-work/
Let us know what you find out. I get stuck 2 times a month.
All the Best,
Jeff

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When hunting veins, mine are huge and close to the surface. But they like to roll. Still, depending on the nurse, there maybe “fishing” involved.
Nothing quite so pleasant as when they have been in there for 45 seconds rooting around for a good puncture and blood draw.
There is one who always punches through, blows out the stick, and needs a second site or even a third try.
They monitor my blood pressure. When one of the “fishing nurses” comes in, BP pumps up and and my heartbeat skyrockets.
When I get an older nurse, who transferred in from oncology, I can maintain my cool. She never misses.
She can’t fathom why the others can’t hit it. She says I’m one of the easiest sticks in the treatment center.
At home, using a light with and adjustable color temp makes the veins easier to see. but only the close to the surface ones.
Lots of fun.
All the Best,
Jeff

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Mr. Jeff51 your account of being “stuck” made my stomach knot. I have MS and some years back “enjoyed” the high dose prednisone treatment. Never had a problem with needles or none of that stuff. Insurance said it was an at home regimen for 5 days. I think I got the most inexperienced RN on the planet. That poor lady dug around forever trying to get a good stick. I think the lady was about to cry and I know I would have if it would help. Finally I asked her to stop so I could go to bathroom or I was gonna be sick. She was apologizing like crazy and I said we will get first time when ‘I get back. Sure enough got it straight away and it was the most “comfortable “ line I have ever had

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A spam topic right in the middle of the forum. This is my spammy link: vein finders. It is good and easy to use. I hope you like it.

Because I like big lights, my flashlightical views lean heavily toward both the extreme bright and the extreme heft.

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My wife N eye just recently got stuck by a newbie at a CVS pharmacy He was super nervous and fumbled about as he dealt with our flu and shingles vaccine. My initial reaction was to terminate the procedure. I now just hope he has gained confidence and is able to help others.

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cohier, yeah, I can relate. Was at a blood draw place and the tech was looking for a vein. I have a sewer pipe at my right elbow. I mean it looks like a #2 lead pencil is in there. Right at the surface. But it runs sideways. And they see it right off.
But I always tell them IT RUNS SIDEWAYS. Sure enough she goes in like it was a normal vein.
After screwing around I said IT RUINS SIDEWAYSGET SOMEONE ELSE.
I was white as a sheet bu the time she was done. Only time I’ve ever gotten woozy during a stick.
The insurance Co keeps pushing for home treatment. There is no way I’m letting the lowest bid med tech Co. have at me. At least at the hospital, if something goes amiss, there will be a doc within reasonable distance.
All the Best,
Jeff