Super Capacitor Joule Thief <-True budget light to the MAX

The following is a link to an interesting concept about what is essentially free energy. It demonstrates a working example of simple electronics to create a perpetual light (LED) with near 100% percent efficiency. Although the common school of thought from the scientific community claims 100% efficiency to be impossible I think they mean it to be impossible for the worlds current economic model.

In the comments section, one individual suggests”…perhaps you can post on how to rewire DC motor for free energy next time. tip:add 2 more brushes on the armature, and change its coil winding.”

I think I will further into that myself. What are your thoughts?

Link to post:

“Joule Thief”: http://www.instructables.com/id/Supercapacitor-Joule-Thief/

“Although the common school of thought from the scientific community claims 100% efficiency to be impossible I think they mean it to be impossible for the worlds current economic model.”

No, that’s not what they mean. They mean actually impossible. Economics have nothing to do with the science. A joule thief is a voltage booster. It does not create free energy.

True to the fact that the joule thief does not create free energy but it does prove a model of extremely high and efficient use of stored energy.

Economics does indeed have everything to do with science. Thinking otherwise is ludicrous and not worth the time to debate. Free energy would undermine the current economic model and collapse the world economy just as the proof of alien life would undermine popular religious beliefs.

Anyway, it is only my opinion, but I believe that greater than 100% efficiency is possible. My reason for this post was to stir conversation regarding the efficiency of the LED lights we so love.

Thanks none the less for your thoughts on the matter and correcting my misstatement about free energy in regards to the joule thief.

Not really, it is a cheap design that can boost from very low voltage, but do not expect any great efficiency.

I think the OP may have come across the term “free energy” in an article on the joule thief a while back.
The “free” energy mentioned is energy that the joule thief is able to utilize from “otherwise dead” batteries that other people would throw away.
So economically, it could be “free” if one were able to get spent batteries to use, for free :wink:

Nothing is free in this world except trouble, of which there’s already too much of :frowning:

Phil

Oh no Phil, sunlight, nice views, dreams, all free!

We have a friend that is constantly coming with crazy free energy stuff. Explaining how these can’t work still does not change his mind. So I said when he kept on talking about some Indian guy “it doesn’t work because it can’t but if you believe it, instead of talking about it, prove, buy one of those free energy devices and bring your energy bill to 0”
He did it, $600 to this Indian guy half a year ago. I can’t remember if he never received it or it just didn’t work but he stopped talking about it and now calls it a scam.
Yet now he wants to build us a device we plug in and we can talk to and if we ask the device to lower the energy bill it is supposed to do it.
He says he feels like the one he has is working. So I told him, unplug and keep track on your energy use for a month. Then plug in and do the same and I advised him to buy one of those watt meters to see if and how much the device is using.
He stopped talking about it and I am not bringing it up so assume he discovered the device uses electricity and does not reduce his bill.

Hearing free energy, Tesla, quantum and people in charge/companies wanting control one knows it’s another BS story. Often in the form of a scam when special parts or devices are to be bought or time wasters it is sad.

Okay, I first thought you were just clueless of basic physics and laws of thermodynamics. But, now you’re into some kind of weird conspiracy theory too.

Are you just joking? Trolling? Trying to get people worked up for a laugh?

I hope so.

Again, this is wrong. Economics has nothing to do with thermodynamics and the laws of our universe. Not being aware of that is ludicrous.

OP talking about energy and economics. Do you understand that power companies would LOVE to develop the technology to create free energy. Because they could still sell the energy to you, but at zero cost to them. This equals greater profit. They would have the technology to create it. You would not. Please check your economic theory.

The Joule Thief is a fun little gadget to play with, and the overunity.com WWWeb site has made copious amounts of hay looking for the “free” in “free energy”.

Unfortunately, the “free” comes from the fact that you wouldn’t be using the rest of that battery anyway, so it really doesn’t cost anything to power a Joule Thief. It’s more like Zombie Energy since you’re bringing dead batteries back to life…

If you’re willing to invest some time and effort into tuning the inductor, you can make a zombie battery last quite a long while, but the LEDs are for being seen, not for seeing.

Still, I highly recommend anyone to experiment with and learn from the Joule Thief. Any place you can find a volt, you can place a marker LED there. And you’ll learn enough more about Inductors, resonant circuits, energy, batteries, etc. to make it well worth your while.

all the ‘joule thiefs’ do is get the last 5% of energy out of a battery that is so low it won’t do anything else.
still that 5% isn;t going to last long, unless the rate of using is very low.

which is how they work.

for a while, they will blink an LED dimly , but the actual lumen-seconds you get will be very low.
you can see it blink but if you try using it to see things with, it won;t be bright enough.

at least the joule thief is cheap, unless you count your own time.

no one really sells them, because what they actually do, isn;t very useful.

wle

You need to use zero point energy?

You seem to be conflating engineering with science. They are related, but not the same. Both do exist in an economic context, as do all human enterprises, but the influence of economics on the conclusions of science is, ultimately, limited. Science has an excellent track record of chewing up petty considerations like economics and religion and rendering them inert.

Logical fallacies, stacked on logical fallacies, propped up by a superficial understanding of the world.

Just because you’ve come up with an argument for why something might be false does not make it true. Drawing a parallel to a similarly bogus construct doesn’t make either more true, or less false.

Beyond that, it might help to realize that the current (and any) economic model rests on more than just the cost of energy.

Yes, it is only your opinion. It is an opinion which is wrong enough to cause a great deal of harm and very little benefit, and yet you are determined to cling to it. However, if you examine why you cling to it, you might learn something after all.

Economics has everything to do with thermodynamics and the laws of our universe. Economics arose within, and is subject to those laws. Of course, the OP is still clueless.