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The Other Place is at it again

Since flashlight news.net has been down for a week I'd take a look back at CPF.

 

This one's a classic of mad moderation. And of course, questioning the moderator concerned just gets you booted off.

 

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=285316

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

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I suspect the "Super Moderator" in question was probably the smart assed little scrawny kid in school that everyone beat the bloody crap out of. Even today, I suspect its something that was never outgrown or forgotten.

If he shows up here, l vote that we ban immediately. Laughing There... now I feel better.

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I added my own contribution to CPF here. Please feel free to do the same.

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He may be a flashaholic but the only thing he uses his lights for is banging the head on some poor member

who states that he in fact likes DX lights. This is the greatest sin on that forum.

Cheap quality is good - Expensive crap isn´t

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FlashPilot wrote:

I added my own contribution to CPF here. Please feel free to do the same.

 

How surprising! The person of limited intellectual development has vanished the post and its reply. Isn't he clever!

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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Yes, he is quite clever - isn't he? Laughing

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I think their problem with links is that it raises the score of the linked sites in Google. Most people know to just use sku numbers which is kind of a pain, but not too bad (except at KD where the sku numbers don't match the product ID numbers in the URL). And they're right about the hot-linked images. At least the moderator explained why the content was being removed. I've seen the same one just delete stuff from newbies with no explanation.

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I think hot-linked photos kinda tip the scales over there, but their link policy is a little loose and arbitrary anyway.  If the link is part of a comment that's more about the flashlight than the company selling it, the link will usually pass muster.

 The Super Moderator is easily painted into a corner, though, if engaged logically.  Then he'll just start pasting rules. I *almost* feel sorry for the kid.

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Don wrote:

FlashPilot wrote:

I added my own contribution to CPF here. Please feel free to do the same.

 

How surprising! The person of limited intellectual development has vanished the post and its reply. Isn't he clever!

 

I wasnt in the least bit insulting and yet he removed my post.

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Here's one I just now read:

 

http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=285720

 

"There have been numerous threads on this before. This one is superfluous. It's closed. "

 

He never even had a chance.   Poor guy.

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"But as I said long ago, you are more likely to be killed by a dead fish dropped by a seagull in the Sahara Desert than by a lithium ion

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. . . and I bet anything if he had asked about AW batteries instead, the thread would be open and people would be singing the praises . . . even though there are numerous threads, etc.

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Id like to make the owners of the forum aware of the idiot mod and what he is doing/saying to others. Any ideas who I can contact?

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The owner is in it strictly for the money. She doesn't care. Her posts are some of the most offensive of all

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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FlashPilot wrote:

Id like to make the owners of the forum aware of the idiot mod and what he is doing/saying to others. Any ideas who I can contact?

The mod is doing exactly what the owner wants him to do. That's the culture there. But the good thing is, that's also why there is this forum.

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As long as they are making money, NOTHING will change and if the owner does the same thing then there in NO chance whatsoever that it will change. 

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"But as I said long ago, you are more likely to be killed by a dead fish dropped by a seagull in the Sahara Desert than by a lithium ion

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Here's another one which I thought was funny and was going to comment on but when I got to the bottom, it was closed.  He was just showing something funny and did not even mention who the business was but most would have been able to figure it out.

 http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=285770

I think a lot of closures and deletions depends on their moods and probably just because THEY CAN do it.  That's just sad.

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"But as I said long ago, you are more likely to be killed by a dead fish dropped by a seagull in the Sahara Desert than by a lithium ion

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Here's one I'm watching that will probably be closed soon.  I wonder how much longer it will last?

http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=3474025#post3474025

 

 

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"But as I said long ago, you are more likely to be killed by a dead fish dropped by a seagull in the Sahara Desert than by a lithium ion

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brted wrote:

. . . and I bet anything if he had asked about AW batteries instead, the thread would be open and people would be singing the praises . . . even though there are numerous threads, etc.

 

You are quite right brted. If you link to an american vendor it stays there forever, but if its to DX or KD hell breakes loose.

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boomhauer wrote:
The Super Moderator is easily painted into a corner, though, if engaged logically.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=3473936&postcount=12

Brilliant, I love the smell of fresh sarcasm in the morning Laughing

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CPF, i really don't like there, here is much better, and the administrator is niceTongue out

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fishinfool wrote:

Here's one I'm watching that will probably be closed soon.  I wonder how much longer it will last?

http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=3474025#post3474025

 

If further clarification is needed take it up privately or discuss it in the UG.
Thread Closed.   Laughing

 

And it only took 1 more day.

 

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"But as I said long ago, you are more likely to be killed by a dead fish dropped by a seagull in the Sahara Desert than by a lithium ion

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fishinfool wrote:

fishinfool wrote:

Here's one I'm watching that will probably be closed soon.  I wonder how much longer it will last?

http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=3474025#post3474025

 

If further clarification is needed take it up privately or discuss it in the UG.
Thread Closed.   Laughing

 

And it only took 1 more day.

 

 

Note the key words in the reply which are all about the money as usual.

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The policy was established some time back primarily because of shills posting "hey look at this". "Has anyone seen this light?" Before long some threads had become virtual shopping experience threads with members joining in and posting every new light they found. The links primarily pointed to two sites which turned them into advertising threads inviting more shills from those sites. It wasn't until after the policy went into effect that those sites started actually supporting CPF. Their own customer service issues eventually (mostly) halted their forum participation."

 

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Can't we all just get along?  Big Smile

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"But as I said long ago, you are more likely to be killed by a dead fish dropped by a seagull in the Sahara Desert than by a lithium ion

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fishinfool wrote:

Can't we all just get along?  Big Smile

No

Edit: Tongue out

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midieval10 wrote:

fishinfool wrote:

Can't we all just get along?  Big Smile

No

Edit: Tongue out

Good one.  Big Smile

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"But as I said long ago, you are more likely to be killed by a dead fish dropped by a seagull in the Sahara Desert than by a lithium ion

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I just got banned from cpfmarketplace presumably by posting in a thread about those "solarfarce" lights at lightake:

 

http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?t=234297

 

They deleted several later comment from me about how the santimony is unjustified and how hk retailers work; and the reason for ban is "ignoring moderation" (of which I can see none in the thread, probably deleted but I guess they expect you to know all deleted comments ).

 

As if we really needed to drive home how small minded these cpf admins are...

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This is not about shilling really, it is about paying your Danegeld to Sasha. Why doesn't eveyone leave? It is so glaringly obivious that this is Clearly Profit Focussed at its worst again. And again

And again!

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=289279

 

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https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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Does this mean the tools loyal to her now get banned for their blatant shilling? Or do we add hypocrisy to the long list of appropo descriptors?

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It is an ambiguous post, there is the real concern with shills but reading the whole post it looks like there could either be some monetary motivation and/or plain old overzealousness behind the concern. I just can't see how the forum will get money out of having fewer shills, could someone enlighten me?

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SPAMBOT wrote:

It is an ambiguous post, there is the real concern with shills but reading the whole post it looks like there could either be some monetary motivation and/or plain old overzealousness behind the concern. I just can't see how the forum will get money out of having fewer shills, could someone enlighten me?

 

To me it seems that the real point is that dealer mentioning will not be tolerated.

Fair enough, though silly IMO.

However they can't mention their own wares in CPF or CPFMarketplace unless they pay the Danegeld. My guess is that any paying advertiser will not find mentions of their products disappearing, the Chinese dealers will. And of course, the holy Surefire will never get hit by this.

 

My suspicion is that shilling (which is objectionable) is being used as an excuse to raise advertising revenues.

I mean - is it shilling to say where you bought, or were given, something for the purpose of reviewing it?

I would evaluate any review where the device was a free sample in a different manner to one where the person spent their own money. I may add that all of my reviews ever (apart from review copies of a couple of books, one of which was excellent and one of which was unreadable) were of things bought with my own money and if anything was not, I would say who gave it to me and why. If a dealer or manufacturer is prepared to do that (presumably as advertising) then I would try not to make it influence my judgement but I might not always succeed. Which is why it is essential at the very least to say that it was given rather than bought. 

 

And why does this only apply only to dealers and not to manufacturers as well?

 

If you look at any enthusiast website you will see that the vast majority are reviewing stuff that they didn't buy as well as user reviews of stuff they did buy. Why does CPF feel the need to be different?

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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