Thorfire S70 clone ?

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Thorfire S70 clone ?

I just won an auction on Ebay UK for what looks like a clone of the S70 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172284993584?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPa...
Other than the claim of 5000 lumens & the “make” being “VastFire” the images & specifications look like an S70.
I am also getting a charger & 2 × 6800 mah 26650 cells Facepalm all for about $19.
It will be interesting to see what I actually get (doubt very much it will have a real Cree XHP70 led or the same driver as the real S70 who knows) but hopefully it will make a reasonable host Thumbs Up
Also interesting that the Chinese have broken through the 5200/5500 mah level for 26650 cells.
It will be interesting to see what capacity these cells really have as they could be based on just about anything including not even being 26650 cells under the wrapper as I have had xxxxxFire18650 cells that when disassembled had smaller cells inside Crazy

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If it has a XHP70 and decent construction that’s a good deal.
Indeed looks exactly like the S70

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If the photo’s are correct it is definitely a XHP70 some times you can be lucky and score good buys just because the seller wants his rating to rise.

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Well I thought it was worth taking a chance for the price.
Worst ways hopefully I will get a reasonable host.
Often when clones appear in the begining they are quite decent for the money then gradually go downhill over time so fingers crossed.
I am also seeing on ebay US “Boruit” S70 & also “VastFire” S70 but they are around $55-$60 dollars.
The images, descriptions & specs are the same as the one I have bought so who knows Smile

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Woah! That’s cheap. I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on it once you get it.

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Oh well I guess that proves that the basic host of the S70 is a “white label” product that is sold to different flashlight manufacturers (maybe even together with a standard driver) and they just have to add the fitting LED board, put a label on it and go. You can only guess that the price of the basic host is, but If the chinese seller is still making profit with an end price of under 20 USD with batteries and a charger it can´t be much. So much for genuine Thorfire quality… Makes me think…

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lol here it is for $4 now
Ebay auction link

hard to believe the cells and charger and shipping alone can be profitable for $4 Kusie.

About cloning, have you seen this?
Jaxman Hunter

Bella Headlight, shipping this light without cells and charger would cost you roughly €10.
could you bid on the above to £21.12 (€25)?
And if you win send it to me (I’ĺl pay for it and shipping of course.)
EDIT, NVM can bid on UK Ebay, doing it myself Wink

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Its a Chinese seller i think miller so they will ship worldwide.

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Yes I think so too
Will bid on it because needless yo say this interests me on a couple of levels Wink

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I’m actually interested in the 9 XM-L Sky Ray King they show, or the 5000 lumen XM-L2 light with a single emitter and single 18650. (yeah, right!)

Still though, the Sky Ray King is marked as such and with a reflector for 9 XM-L’s I can add one of Richards SRK 42mm drivers and more appropriate emitters. Wondering if I can bid on one of those from the States?

Edit: I see now that they’re actually offering it with from 3 to 9 emitters, your choice. And that same kind of ultra cheap price, albeit in Euro (pounds)

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The listing says posts to world wide so i guess you can. might have to pay a conversion fees from pounds to US dollars

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I just ordered as a guest and paid through PayPal, ended up as $23 with an expected delivery date between Aug 10th and Aug 15th. (slightly higher price as I chose the gold version)

Interesting! Smile

They call it a “10,000 lumens” light. Wink

Good luck with your S70 clone, they show bidding is ended on that one, but hey they got me anyway right? Big Smile Thanks for bringing this up and sharing links (I think) lol

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I’ve already gotten an email stating shipped and supplying a tracking number. Pretty dang quick!

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Hahaha a 10K lumens light NOT from BLf, yeah right Wink

The S70 is now at £13,50 no point in bidding now I’ll wait till its closer to the end to see if it is still interesting.

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Well yeah, but you know, it’s always a fun challenge to try and make it perform according to the factory labeling. Big Smile

Maybe 9 XHP-50’s would do the trick… Wink

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That is not gonna fit Wink
But you’ll work your magic to get there
BTW do I see a shift towards soda can lights Big Smile

The seller has one every day is seems.
I send him a message I want just the light without cells or charger, offered him €20 for it.

And I saw a vast fire light that looks almost like the Thorfire VG10 but more expensive.
Hmm what is going on here.

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XHP-50’s have the same footprint and fit on the same mcpcb as XM-L2’s. With a battery tube carrying 4 cells, a little bit of wizardly converting 4P to 2S2P is all it takes. Smile Well, and a driver change.

On the other hand, fill that bad boy with XP-L HI’s and let her rip… I like how the 9 emitter light looks like the old sunflower design from Robo car wash, from the late 60’s early 70’s. lol

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Ah ha, I though the LEDs would be to big to fit the reflector but my only XHP50 light is send off as part of a trade so not too much experience Wink

I had a 7 ledded srk clone on order but when I asked where it was I got a refund Sad and no answer.
Indeed it looks really nice so many emitters in a flower like pattern.

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In the “buy it now” listings the Boruit S70 & VastFire S70 are $55-$60 which is about the same price as a Thorfire S70 ?
The pictures & specs of the Boruit & VastFire S70 are identical to the Thorfire S70 even showing an illuminated mode switch & listing turbo with 3 minute step down, & in the pictures the XHP70 looks to be a genuine emitter.
Does anybody know if Lattice Bright have cloned the XHP70 yet ?
I know that they have an XHP50 clone but I have not heard of an XHP70 clone nor do they list one yet on their website.
At the end of the day I didn“t expect this VastFire S70 to be the same as my genuine S70 & bought it as a clone but if it is I will be very happy at the price & if not it should make a good host.

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An and on that soda can subject

( Love Dale is gonna make sweet soda can lights… Q8 has pushed him over the edge Big Smile )

Ordered a anrganté:http://m.ebay.fr/itm/1X-LED-Lampe-Torch-XML-2-T6-7×-6500Lm-camping-lumiere-lamp-Flashlight-UK-/351475947253 srk clone with 7 LEDs
No idea what that color is but OK
Probably genuine LB but OK
As long ad I can measure and compare these 7 led reflector and see this design that is different from all my 3 and 4 ledded srk clones I am happy (and well I really need to be able to test the future Q8 and this reflector so I need this one right…right?

And on a side note i do not like seeing Thorfire models for grabs.
Sigh I do not like the Thorfire S70 being so similar to the Jaxman Hunter.
Man this is bad idk what to do (besides spewing this in a topic where I know Dale and Bella Headlight (two BLfers I like and know have a decent moral compass) are watching.
Shall i start with asking if Paul (Jaxman knows if the TF S70 is a clone?
Shall I email Barry (TF) what this Vastfire stuff is doing on EBay?

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The Miller I have seen Boruit & Thorfire products (headlamps) before that look identical & have identical specs & had always assumed that the Thorfire products had been cloned ?
Now with this “S70” you have Boruit & also “VastFire”, & that Jax Hunter looks & sounds spec wise exactly like a Thorfire light ?
I wouldn“t have put Jaxman down as a company that clones other peoples lights but then neither would I have though that Thorfire would ?
I would like to think that the Thorfire products are genuine & have been cloned as I like my Thorfire lights but who really knows what goes on in China ?
Or are all 4 companies, Thorfire, Boruit, VastFire & Jax buying from the same supplier ?

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Well I won an auction on eBay for a s70 clone, comes with charger and batteries. Only paid $32.56. It’d will be interesting to see the quility or lack there of.

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Nice score Lund!..

Yeah BH you nailed it… Sigh
I fear some emails to Paul and Barry are due.
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Old-Lumens discussed it quite a while back, there’s only a few sources for lights in China and the base lights get passed around and re-branded all the time. It’s how they do business. The factory can make 10,000 a month (or something like that) so they make em, spread em around to get em sold. Sometimes the finish is different, some small specs are different, but in the end, there’s just not that many flashlight manufacturers out there.

<—-built an SupFire M6 triple to ~5000 lumens back when they first came out. Have a FandyFire Rook with a hand polished mirror reflector from a couple of years ago. Have built several “soup can” lights for friends, which is how I learned to dislike them, poor quality, thin screw in emitter shelf, insufficient room for additional heat sinking of any real consequence for hot rodding. SupFire makes one of the best, which is why I still have mine (with an added tail clicky for lockout)

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Does anyone know/have seen if Lattice Bright are producing an XHP70 clone emitter yet ?

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Thanks The Miller, their were a few people bidding hope nobody from the forum, I’d feel bad. I will tear it apart and post pics see if I can add a resister, I would also like to add the l6 driver someday.

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The jax is a little different it uses a XHP50 and is more expensive and the overall design is a tad different i think.

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Well the ones bow available all have max bid of £14,14 from me.
I’ll check an hour or so before closing how they go Wink
First check at 18h to see how high it is then (was outbidded but wait with more bidding till later Wink )
If anyone wants to start bidding maybe tell is so we can avoid bidding against each other Smile

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Lund1660 wrote:
Well I won an auction on eBay for a s70 clone, comes with charger and batteries. Only paid $32.56. It’d will be interesting to see the quility or lack there of.

at this price the light can use as host for mod.

cheap price but unsure of the made quality.

Nico -.-

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I have a bid on this one :

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5000lm-XHP70-LED-Tactical-Flashlight-Memory-Hunting-Torch-18650-26650-6Modes/172288206903?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37449%26meid%3Dbb84b987ccbc43679a21467e270dee1f%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D172284993584&autorefresh=true

It’s at £14,64 at the moment

Edit :

Won the auction at £20 ($26,4), now the waiting begins.

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There weren’t many options in the US ebay but this morning I saw this one with 5 hours to end and I bid $35 max, because I’m this impulsive when it comes to flashlights.

At the time it was $17 and I really didn’t think it could go this high so I somewhat regret having to pay the winning bid which ended up being:…

Honestly I want to cancel the transaction because it doesn’t say CREE anywhere and I’ll most likely have to open a paypal dispute afterwards. I’m afraid $31.56 for a host is a bit too much, considering the 26650/charger are crap and it comes with a fake XHP70, although it would be interesting to see it in action.

What do you guys think I should do? BTW I just contacted the seller and straight asked him if it was real CREE or fake XHP70, not paying until I get a response.

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