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Convoy S2+ SMO

For everyone and anyone who has been wanting a SMO reflector for there Convoy S2+ then its right here. Its been officially announced.

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/20-12mm-SMO-reflector-with-XPL-gasket-for-Convoy-S2-S3/330416_32728224955.html?spm=2114.8147860.0.59.QxPlsj

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Ordered 5, really excited to see what these can do… I have 4 S2+‘s at the time and none of them is a thrower, time for a XP-L HI treatment.

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Gee 4. I have only 1 but its been my EDC for 7 months now and it looks like it aint stopin anytime soon. If I had the money I would buy one. And BTW when I say EDC I mean I carry EVERYWHERE. Heck I wont even leave home without it. Except for school cause people already think I’m weird enough without bringing a flashlight during the day.

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I just ordered four pieces, and got a SMO reflector for the L6 to test.

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Ahhh the L6. I was going to buy it but I bought a SRK 7LED And 4 Panasonic 18650 3400mah. But I will buy the Convoy L6 in the future. But seriously Convoy know what there doing.

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The reflectors on the S2+ are so short …I’m curious to see what the beam will look like and how much more throw it produces over an orange peel reflector . It would be interesting to compare them against the S2 with an SMO….Is there still an smo for the S2 ?

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Yup, if you want a little throw from a tube light, you better go with an S2 , SMO reflector and a dedomed XP-G2…
Don’t expect too much from this SMO S2+ IMHO

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How come?

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Regarding what determines throw from a reflector:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/13964

Essentially it is the area of the reflector (while looking at it from the front) that determines throw. Whether the reflector is shallow or deep is not critical to the peak intensity of the beam. However, shallower reflectors tend to have a larger hole in the center, which reduces the effective reflecting area. An OP texture does reduce throw, depending on how rough the texture is (the texture reduces the effective reflecting area because some parts will not reflect light from the LED into the hotspot) . Also, OP texture affects throw relatively more for small emitters than for large emitters.

Here are some numbers that I have measured, all with XPL HI V2 3D with FET driver and fresh 30Q.
S2+ OP reflector: 15kcd
S2 OP reflector: 18kcd
S2 SMO reflector: 23kcd
narrow optic from LEDDNA: 21.8kcd

I would expect the SMO S2+ reflector with the same LED to be in between the S2 SMO and S2 OP reflector, around 20kcd.

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I'd actually like to see a beamshot comparison between a SMO XP-L HI S2+ and a slightly larger reflector light, say M2 with OP and XM-L2. Would the tube light stand a chance?

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I really hope the S2+ SMO reflector works well, but I have my doubts. I love the S2 SMO paired with an XPL HI. Throws as well as a stock domed C8 and has more flood. I finally hacked off one of Hoop’s copper S2+ pills and it fits perfectly in the S2+ host with a shorty tube. To me, this is about the most perfect EDC you can have. Throw, flood, and very small. Oh, and the stock S2 pill is still too long to work with the SMO reflector in the S2+ host. My modded pill is a couple mm shorter.

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Interesting topic and part for S2+. I also thinked about how will change the beam pattern the SMO reflector with XPL HI compare to the stock OP reflector with XM-L2

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So, has anyone bought one of these yet? I’d really like to see how it compares with the S2 smooth reflector.

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Wow shadow your still at school. Do not worry about what people think at school at the age of 13 i was building PCs and trying my hand at programming and i use to take PC mags to read every day people would laugh but i came first in IT without even trying lol! I got over school and my attendance was 50% and i still topped most my classes. So who had the last laugh!

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WillyD wrote:
So, has anyone bought one of these yet? I’d really like to see how it compares with the S2 smooth reflector.

I ordered one after it released. but haven’t arrived yet. I only have S2+ to compare but I will compare with S2+ OP reflector and with XM-L2, XP-L and XP-L HI leds when it arrives.
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EasyB wrote:
Regarding what determines throw from a reflector:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/13964

Essentially it is the area of the reflector (while looking at it from the front) that determines throw. Whether the reflector is shallow or deep is not critical to the peak intensity of the beam. However, shallower reflectors tend to have a larger hole in the center, which reduces the effective reflecting area. An OP texture does reduce throw, depending on how rough the texture is (the texture reduces the effective reflecting area because some parts will not reflect light from the LED into the hotspot) . Also, OP texture affects throw relatively more for small emitters than for large emitters.

Here are some numbers that I have measured, all with XPL HI V2 3D with FET driver and fresh 30Q.
S2+ OP reflector: 15kcd
S2 OP reflector: 18kcd
S2 SMO reflector: 23kcd
narrow optic from LEDDNA: 21.8kcd

I would expect the SMO S2+ reflector with the same LED to be in between the S2 SMO and S2 OP reflector, around 20kcd.


What about S2 SMO reflector whit dedomed XP-G2? How many candella to expect.
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Right now I got it. I will make some tests and photos in a few days when I have time for it Wink

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ZozzV6 wrote:
Right now I got it. I will make some tests and photos in a few days when I have time for it Wink

Excellent. Looking forward to your results.

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Me too!

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I made a little test stand with a 1050mA NANJG 105C driver a clicky switch, some wires and the three leds, a heatsink, and some connectors to quick change the leds between beamshots Smile
I used XM-L2 dont know bin but maybe 1A tint, XPL V5 2A and XPL HI V5 3B leds.
Here are some photos of the reflectors and testing enviroment:


And here are the final beamshots:


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That is a nice little test setup you made ‘ZozzV6’…I like that.

Those are some interesting photos also. Thanks for posting. Smile

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Thanks Zozz. Whats your personal opinion on the differences between the two reflectors?

 

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Very cool Zozz, thank you Sir.

Today I received one each SMO for the S2 and S2+
My SMO S2 has the smaller hole. Didn’t open the packs yet.
New FW 7135*8 drivers too.

I am unable to see pics 4, 5, 10 & 11

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I got 2 of these in today as well. Quickly put one in one of my S2+‘s with an XP-L HI. These rock, we are not talking C8… but a FET driven XP-L HI really throws for a small light! I get one large ring on the edge of the beam, but out side it will not be noticed!

These are a huge improvement and will make for an excellent option in you EDC if you want some throw!

Thanks Simon!

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Thanks for the updates. I’d really like to know how it compares to the S2 SMO.

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My S2 is a triple, can’t help with that comparison.

EDC rotation:
KR4, SST-20 FA3 4000k (favorite!)
FW3A, Nichia 4000k sw40 r9080 (second favorite)
FW1A, LH351D 3500k (third favorite)
FW1A, XP-L Hi 3A
FW3A, LH351D 3500k
FW3A, SST20 FD2 4000k
FW3A, Cree XP-L Hi 5A3
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Ok, can’t do any pics in town tonight… but the S2+ with a FET driver, Hoop pill and XP-L Hi will light 90 foot tall tree tops at a block + away from my house! I am loving these reflectors.

EDC rotation:
KR4, SST-20 FA3 4000k (favorite!)
FW3A, Nichia 4000k sw40 r9080 (second favorite)
FW1A, LH351D 3500k (third favorite)
FW1A, XP-L Hi 3A
FW3A, LH351D 3500k
FW3A, SST20 FD2 4000k
FW3A, Cree XP-L Hi 5A3
Emisar D4V2, SST20 4000k
Emisar D4V2, brass E21A 3500k (night light of choice)

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Does mouseover still work? I do not have the tree icon and the normal and advanced editors do not seem to have the option for the second image???

Finally got to take a few pics this weekend.
Here we have a Convoy S2+ with an OP reflector and XM-L2 4C
P1080090

And here we have the new SMO reflector in an S2+ with a 5A2 XPL-HI. Notice the nice strong hotspot? It did gain a ring on the edge of the spill, if you are wall hunting, but not really visible outside. I really like this new reflector!

P1080091

I am also adding my Olight S1R with stock TIR and XM-L2 4C.
P1080092

EDC rotation:
KR4, SST-20 FA3 4000k (favorite!)
FW3A, Nichia 4000k sw40 r9080 (second favorite)
FW1A, LH351D 3500k (third favorite)
FW1A, XP-L Hi 3A
FW3A, LH351D 3500k
FW3A, SST20 FD2 4000k
FW3A, Cree XP-L Hi 5A3
Emisar D4V2, SST20 4000k
Emisar D4V2, brass E21A 3500k (night light of choice)

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MRsDNF wrote:
Thanks Zozz. Whats your personal opinion on the differences between the two reflectors?

The SMO has tighter hotspot definietly. And not much corona as the OP. For indoor use I prefer the OP. But I don’t tried with XPL HI outdoor. Son I will get my Convoy M1 and want to compare with it.
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mattlward wrote:
Does mouseover still work? I do not have the tree icon and the normal and advanced editors do not seem to have the option for the second image???

Finally got to take a few pics this weekend.
Here we have a Convoy S2+ with an OP reflector and XM-L2 4C
P1080090

And here we have the new SMO reflector in an S2+ with a 5A2 XPL-HI. Notice the nice strong hotspot? It did gain a ring on the edge of the spill, if you are wall hunting, but not really visible outside. I really like this new reflector!

P1080091


I really like the looks of the SMO reflector in those pictures. It looks to have a far brighter hotspot and judging by the power line it seems to have better spill too.

How much of the beam profile do you think is related to the XPL-HI and how much to the SMO reflector, I’m guessing it’s a combination . Any chance you have beamshots of an XM-L2 with the SMO?

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mapache wrote:
Any chance you have beamshots of an XM-L2 with the SMO?

Roll a little upward. I did it. But if you want outdoor photos sorry Wink

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