[PART 1] Official BLF GT Group Buy thread. Group buy officially closed! Lights shipping.

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I think we need to forget this “TN42 look alike copy knockoff” and get back on track.
(No offense meant ‘Jerommel’, that is just how I see it. Smile )

The renders ‘5ar’ did have been, and still are; perfectly acceptable. They look very good, excellent in fact. IF they need to be tweaked a bit here and there so be it, but the platform is sound & solid.

Soooo, “if it ain’t broke”, why are we all of a sudden trying to “fix it” ? Question
I think that is a legitimate question, because 5ar’s renders are certainly “not broke”.

Hopefully we will stay mostly on track and see this become a reality. Thumbs Up

(my .03…. nothing more_nothing less)

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5ar wrote:

Jerommel: You have to pay attention on proportions: 120mm diameter reflector

Yes, it seems the tube is a bit long,doesn’t it?
But i’m still working on it.
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I think we need to forget this “TN42 look alike copy knockoff” and get back on track.
(No offense meant ‘Jerommel’, that is just how I see it. Smile )
Say, how many times exactly should i have mentioned it is not ready yet?
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The renders ‘5ar’ did have been, and still are; perfectly acceptable. They look very good, excellent in fact.
Yes, but the design really puts me off a bit…
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As The Miller stated earlier, the reflector choice will significantly impact the appearance.  For example, this light (never finished) was for a reflector that was about 120mm deep and 130mm wide.  The finned area should be ignored because it is a solid 3".  The battery tube was sized for 4 18650 cells side by side.  Iirc, 4 cells deep (4P4S).  The pic, excluding the finned area, gives some sense of proportion.  It's hard to see the final about inch that is covered by the black ABS.  That is not the bezel.   The bezel would have mounted to that.  So the head would have been even longer when finished.

EDIT: That is 6" vent pipe coming out of that wood stove.  The bricks are standard sized bricks.

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Let me say this again:

I think it’s good to have some different designs and design features to choose from / to discuss / to consider.

And:

I’m still working on it and i consider everything you guys say.

Please also read what i write along with the pictures.
But maybe i was to soon posting pictures.
That’s just enthusiasm and the drive to make it look ‘less Chinese’.
(no offense to the Chinese)

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My €0.02. Rest looks perfect to me.
Is there a reason for that ‘ledge’?

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Jerommel wrote:
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I think we need to forget this “TN42 look alike copy knockoff” and get back on track.
(No offense meant ‘Jerommel’, that is just how I see it. Smile )
Say, how many times exactly should i have mentioned it is not ready yet
Then IF it is not ready yet, might I humbly suggest you stop posting a photo shopped “TN42 Frankensteined picture of a light” and wait until you have the real deal before you post it. Thumbs Up
To do different simply “muddies the water” as far as I am concerned.

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The renders ‘5ar’ did have been, and still are; perfectly acceptable. They look very good, excellent in fact.
No,sorry. // Edit:Yes, but the design really puts me off a bit…
You don’t have anything to be “sorry” about Jerommel. That is “your opinion”, just as my thoughts are “my opinion”. There is no right or wrong in that, just personal preference.

And my personal preference is for the renders ‘5ar’ has done.
I think they have been well thought out and presented.
I also thing his renders represent a very solid platform for this light.
IF they need to be tweaked a bit, no problem. But the ‘platform’ is sound and solid. (to me anyway) Smile

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thijsco19 wrote:
My €0.02. Rest looks perfect to me.
Is there a reason for that ‘ledge’?
!{width:50%}http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a500/thijsco19/head%20change_zpstxxs...!

That would definitely look better. Good point.
And in stead of those vertical slots in the head above that maybe 6 flat sections against rolling, would possibly solve my problems with the looks.
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thijsco19 wrote:
My €0.02. Rest looks perfect to me. Is there a reason for that ‘ledge’? !{width:50%}http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a500/thijsco19/head%20change_zpstxxs...!

I think that is where the head screws on, I would actually like the fins as miller presented them above but extended up a little high into that empty space you pointed out myself before transitioning into the smooth head.

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thijsco19 wrote:
My €0.02. Rest looks perfect to me.
Is there a reason for that ‘ledge’?


Personally, I like this small “tweak” IF it is possible to do it without unseen internal repercussions.

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teacher wrote:
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teacher wrote:
I think we need to forget this “TN42 look alike copy knockoff” and get back on track.
(No offense meant ‘Jerommel’, that is just how I see it. Smile )
Say, how many times exactly should i have mentioned it is not ready yet
Then IF it is not ready yet, might I humbly suggest you stop posting a photo shopped “TN42 Frankensteined picture of a light” and wait until you have the real deal before you post it. Thumbs Up
To do different simply “muddies the water” as far as I am concerned.
I assume people can read too, so…
But i get the feeling you’re not looking at the design but at the rendering of it.
I just wanted to present alternatives to the head and the ‘pill’ section of 5ar’s rendering.
Sure, he can do the best job rendering designs here obviously.
I can’t do that.
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teacher wrote:
The renders ‘5ar’ did have been, and still are; perfectly acceptable. They look very good, excellent in fact.
No,sorry.
You don’t have anything to be “sorry” about Jerommel.
Well, it’s no fun to feel like having to change people’s minds and ‘dissing’ the 5ar design.

I edited mypost a bit, by the way.
Yes, they are nice renders, but the design is ambiguous (i.m. (not so) h.o.)

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That is “your opinion”, just as my thoughts are “my opinion”. There is no right or wrong in that, just personal preference.

And my personal preference is for the renders ‘5ar’ has done.
I think they have been well thought out and presented.
I also thing his renders represent a very solid platform for this light.


I would appreciateitif folks would just have a little patience and see if there will actually be something better in stead of just sticking with the first preliminary renderings.
I mean, it has to look good to most of us, otherwise people won’t want to buy it.

And now i’ll stop preaching and will get back with something new later.

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I’m with Teacher and Texas_Ace. I really do like the design, can live with the fins as they are already presented, love the accents and anti-roll on the bezel and would just as soon see it stay as it is right now. I would like to see the tactical ring somewhat thicker and contoured, looks almost like it could cut being so thin but it may be a perspective thing with the tube being larger than the eye perceives due to the large diameter of the head.

We’ve been seeing the renders from 5ar enough that they’ve really grown on me. To the point that I’m really pretty convinced it’s just about right as is.

Source a reflector, get solid dimensions, see if 5ar needs to tweak design any to fit the actual in-hand reflector, and move forward.

Some design style is necessary to a degree when the light is parked, but in use the focus will be a mile downrange, behind the light will be dark so it won’t be seen, only felt. If the ergonomics are true, the beam goal is met, then we’ll be golden. Wink

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4 Wheeler? You selling that hoss of an unfinished light? I’d sure love giving it a go to finalize it! Big Smile

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Jerommel, I am not going to re-quote all that has been written Smile

This is nothing personal against you. I am looking at the basic design of 5ar’s renderings….. I like the design, for multiple reasons I have already mentioned.

IF you or anyone else comes up with something I personally like better, so be it. But at this point I am totally sold on the design that the renderings of ‘5ar’ shows. If it gets tweaked a bit no problem, but I am sold on the basic design.

Again, let me be crystal clear; my opinion is based on the design not just the cool renderings. Smile

I also fixed the quote you edited while I was typing. Wink

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teacher wrote:
Jerommel, I am not going to re-quote all that has been written Smile

This is nothing personal against you. I am looking at the basic design of 5ar’s renderings….. I like the design, for multiple reasons I have already mentioned.

IF you or anyone else comes up with something I personally like better, so be it.

“So be it” sounds like you (like others) seem reluctant to consider something else, which i find strange and a little frustrating.
This explains my temper in this matter, and / but i apologize for that.

I’ll be back here with something to show to you all.

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I’m with Teacher, Texas_Ace and DB Custom. I like the 5ar’s design a lot!

Texas_Ace wrote:
I think that is where the head screws on, I would actually like the fins as miller presented them above but extended up a little high into that empty space you pointed out myself before transitioning into the smooth head.

And the idea to extend the finns a little bit up gets a Thumbs Up from me!

Hope that we can extend it up to the green line without adding wheight. Maybee 5ar can make a new design with the tweeks.
And like i posted before. Could you please try it with ~1,8-2,2mm thick finns (so they are not to fragile) and with a distance between the finns of ~2,5-3mm.

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It is not that we are unwilling to consider anything else as we don’t see the need for a change or that it could be improved in any major way (besides minor details).

As long as the base format and function remain unaffected I can go with whatever is most popular.

That said I STRONGLY desire an aggressive and powerful looking light to match the performance. Something bland and wimpy is not the image I want to see this light project.

But thats just me.

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My €0.02. Rest looks perfect to me. Is there a reason for that ‘ledge’? !{width:50%}http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a500/thijsco19/head%20change_zpstxxs...!

I think that is where the head screws on, I would actually like the fins as miller presented them above but extended up a little high into that empty space you pointed out myself before transitioning into the smooth head.


So the head is made out of multiple parts?
Is there a specific reason for? I mean, that makes the design more complicated.

I might try to make a design myself heavily based on 5ar his design.

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So the head is made out of multiple parts?
Is there a specific reason for? I mean, that makes the design more complicated.

I might try to make a design myself heavily based on 5ar his design.

Cost mostly, the heat is a massive hunk of metal already, by swapping to a smaller bar stock size for the smaller areas it saves cost.

It also opens the possibility of a quad version of this light later with only a head change needed. Which is part of why I want some nice fins around the shelf/button area to prepare for that.

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Jerommel wrote:
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Jerommel, I am not going to re-quote all that has been written Smile

This is nothing personal against you. I am looking at the basic design of 5ar’s renderings….. I like the design, for multiple reasons I have already mentioned.

IF you or anyone else comes up with something I personally like better, so be it.

“So be it” sounds like you (like others) seem reluctant to consider something else, which i find strange and a little frustrating.
This explains my temper in this matter, and / but i apologize for that.

I’ll be back here with something to show to you all.

No, “so be it” means that if I see something I like better… I’ll say so. Personally I’ll consider anything, but if I don’t like it I’ll not be changing my mind.

Thank you for your “apology”, but as far as I am concerned it is not necessary. You are just passionate about your opinion, nothing wrong with that. Thumbs Up Smile

I am up to look at anything. (not that I have any say so besides my personal opinion)

But like someone said, Texas_Ace I think it was; my vision also for this light is something aggressive, sturdy looking, and bold. What I have seen so far in the renderings ‘5ar’ has done fills that desire for me.

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5ar could you make one with the more and thinner fins? (As I so crudely drawn)

Now there are 8 anti roll cutouts, please widen them but make it 7 (yes uneven for alignment reasons so not 6)

Then while your are at it, get rid if the ledge Thijsco speaks of.

Finally make transition from the widest part to narrow smooth (see my crude insult of a drawing Wink )

I strongly think it will all come together and by smoothen the antibroll section also much closer to Jerommels design.

Please indulge me Wink

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I have put together requested Save-The-Date refrigerator magnets, only to have the idea change, then tweaks, then a new idea, tweaks to that, spent days doing what should have been accomplished in hours. So I have a good idea what 5ar is facing… lol.

This kind of thing is why so many opinions “muddy” the water, easy enough for a lot of people to toss ideas out, but one guy somewhere is dedicating hours of free time to the project. Think of it not as free time, what if we were paying 5ar $100 an hour to draw this stuff up, how would we go about it then? Just a thought…

Thank you 5ar, you’re very incredibly awesome in the renderings and I for one greatly appreciate the effort. Wink

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DB Custom wrote:
I have put together requested Save-The-Date refrigerator magnets, only to have the idea change, then tweaks, then a new idea, tweaks to that, spent days doing what should have been accomplished in hours. So I have a good idea what 5ar is facing… lol.

This kind of thing is why so many opinions “muddy” the water, easy enough for a lot of people to toss ideas out, but one guy somewhere is dedicating hours of free time to the project. Think of it not as free time, what if we were paying 5ar $100 an hour to draw this stuff up, how would we go about it then? Just a thought…

Thank you 5ar, you’re very incredibly awesome in the renderings and I for one greatly appreciate the effort. Wink


I totally agree and fully appreciate your efforts ‘5ar’!!! Thumbs Up .. Beer

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Personally original design for me is just jaaaw dropping Shocked . Everything else proposed is just ruined the whole thing. 5ar you did a magnificent job and since you are from Croatia I would love to see led4power involved in this project with driver design….

Also I wouldn’t care much about heat disposal considering the size of that head. Just use a 40mm X 2,5mm copper mcpcb and 1cm thick shelf under and no problemo Thumbs Up

Turbo should be time limited for 3-5 minutes,to be honest majority of time it would be used just for show off, but the HI mode should give 500Kcd with much safer Amperage and with no worries with heat…

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Thank you 5ar, you’re very incredibly awesome in the renderings and I for one greatly appreciate the effort. Wink

Very much so! This is a big part of why I have been “saving up” the minor changes till we could have a bunch of them done at once to save time.

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^ +1

The rendering by 5ar is absolutely amazing! I say we leave the cosmetic details for last and start to find who can produce the light to our spec.

About the fins, in a light this big it’s not the fins that will get rid of the heat but the mass itself, like the convoy L6 with thick and short fins and it does a good job managing the heat. Now imagine a much larger light, driven at less than half the power… how the fins look are not a concern here Wink

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^ +1

The rendering by 5ar is absolutely amazing! I say we leave the cosmetic details for last and start to find who can produce the light to our spec.

About the fins, in a light this big it’s not the fins that will get rid of the heat but the mass itself, like the convoy L6 with thick and short fins and it does a good job managing the heat. Now imagine a much larger light, driven at less than half the power… the fins are not a concern here Wink

Actually the power will only be a little lower by the time we are done with it and if a larger quad head is made later that will obviously be much larger. Might as well plan ahead but no need to get crazy.

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How about contacting Lumintop for manufacturing? They have experience with big chunks like SD75, also QC from them is on a high level..

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NikolaS wrote:
Personally original design for me is just jaaaw dropping Shocked . Everything else proposed is just ruined the whole thing. 5ar you did a magnificent job and since you are from Croatia I would love to see led4power involved in this project with driver design….

Also I wouldn’t care much about heat disposal considering the size of that head. Just use a 40mm X 2,5mm copper mcpcb and 1cm thick shelf under and no problemo Thumbs Up

Turbo should be time limited for 3-5 minutes,to be honest majority of time it would be used just for show off, but the HI mode should give 500Kcd with much safer Amperage and with no worries with heat…


I dont think 40mm is smart to use. More common sizes are much better and easier for mods.
Using a thermal sensor to step down to 90% if the body near the led reaches 60 or 65 degrees celsius? If light is colder than that then 2.8A to the led, if it is higher then 2.5A to the led. Job finished. Smile
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Narsil supports temperature control now, so it will have some form of temperature step down although ideally this light will not need it as it should be able to be used for real search and rescue missions as well.

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