[PART 1] Official BLF GT Group Buy thread. Group buy officially closed! Lights shipping.

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It’s ok I understand and yeah that is amazing that there were 1500 available at the group but price. I’m really excited either way about it. If anyone cancels out or whatnot please let me know and I will join in if that’s possible, I’m new to all this.

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wimmer2121 wrote:
For Texas_Ace… sorry I messed up the quote…

Yes I will relay that you guys have graciously accepted Thomas’ apology… thank you that is very kind. He can’t PM you because he lost his password a while back… that’s why he asked me to apologize for him. He IS NOT sharing the info any longer. I believe he only gave to a few people (I asked him for an exact number and am waiting for his reply. He’s elderly and may have gone to bed.).

I’m going to send you a PM now with a screen shot he showed me earlier. It’s shows how he asked for permission and it might shed light on his intentions.

Thank you for the information, yes, please send me a PM with whatever information you get.

I am turning in for the night now. I will get back to you in the morning.

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Send to Texas_Ace as well.

It actually looks like an honest mistake. Although he should read DO NOT SHARE LINK a bit better. I’m guessing he has never gotten a coupon code from Madmax or Freeme. They always make it clear not to share special pricing codes.

Madmax has been burned pretty good in the past from people sharing codes they shouldn’t have, but that is a story for another day.

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Thanks guys. For whatever good it did… my work is done here. I’m worn out.

Good luck with all the remaining orders. I absolutely LOVE my GT. Thanks again!

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You’re right, he’s probably been spanked enough already. Everyone makes mistakes, especially me!

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On the tint thing, I call 4000K Warm White because it simply is not neutral, it adds color to white, which is not neutrality. Shine it on a pure white piece of typing paper and the paper looks orange. Shine it on snow and , well, don’t they say never eat yellow snow? In science, the black body is a radiant subject, I have read that on Earth, fresh snow is considered to be a near perfect black body as it has nearly 100% radiance. Pure white. Clouds rate exceedingly high as well. Pure white. Neither blue nor yellow, green nor orange, Neutral, in othe words. No tint. In my beamshot of the OEM GT shining at the moon which is partially behind clouds, the spot of orange from the GT can be plainly seen on the clouds, thereby furthering my explanation that orange is not neutral.

As a photographer I see this as a very important issue, the ability to shine a white light on something without changing the hue of that item. That is very important to me. I cannot call an orange hue neutral for that reason.

Perhaps some people’s camera’s cannot distinguish the slight differences, but I paid top dollar for a top-of-the line best in class camera that indeed can distinguish the subtleties, as well as having a professional monitor and a colorimeter to keep it honest. I DO know the difference between white, and not white. It’s a $5000 wedding dress that is rendered correctly in an image. I know y’all are all very happy to get the GT at the price point, as am I, and I’m not trying to say there’s anything inherently wrong with the light, but considering I pay $500-600 for my flash units that shoot at 5700K to expose an image properly, the line is a fine one. The camera I used to shoot those beam shots just happens to be the best low light camera Canon makes, period. The lens I chose is also among the highest quality offered, so please don’t insult the photo’s by assuming a camera cannot detect the subtleties of hues, it’s really not plausible to get a better result at any price.

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wimmer= the peace maker
good job sir wimmer Thumbs Up


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wimmer= the peace maker
good job sir wimmer Thumbs Up
Nodoubt….. ‘nodoubt’. Wink . +1

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DB Custom wrote:
On the tint thing, I call 4000K Warm White because it simply is not neutral, it adds color to white, which is not neutrality. Shine it on a pure white piece of typing paper and the paper looks orange. Shine it on snow and , well, don’t they say never eat yellow snow? In science, the black body is a radiant subject, I have read that on Earth, fresh snow is considered to be a near perfect black body as it has nearly 100% radiance. Pure white. Clouds rate exceedingly high as well. Pure white. Neither blue nor yellow, green nor orange, Neutral, in othe words. No tint. In my beamshot of the OEM GT shining at the moon which is partially behind clouds, the spot of orange from the GT can be plainly seen on the clouds, thereby furthering my explanation that orange is not neutral.

As a photographer I see this as a very important issue, the ability to shine a white light on something without changing the hue of that item. That is very important to me. I cannot call an orange hue neutral for that reason.

Perhaps some people’s camera’s cannot distinguish the slight differences, but I paid top dollar for a top-of-the line best in class camera that indeed can distinguish the subtleties, as well as having a professional monitor and a colorimeter to keep it honest. I DO know the difference between white, and not white. It’s a $5000 wedding dress that is rendered correctly in an image. I know y’all are all very happy to get the GT at the price point, as am I, and I’m not trying to say there’s anything inherently wrong with the light, but considering I pay $500-600 for my flash units that shoot at 5700K to expose an image properly, the line is a fine one. The camera I used to shoot those beam shots just happens to be the best low light camera Canon makes, period. The lens I chose is also among the highest quality offered, so please don’t insult the photo’s by assuming a camera cannot detect the subtleties of hues, it’s really not plausible to get a better result at any price.

Thank you for this explanation Dale!
It is the only thing that makes sense to me concerning this color / tint thing.
If it adds color it can’t be neutral…. no matter what numbers say.
Works for me…… Smile

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Since we cant really buy any big diameter mcpcb’s with leds already on them, here is some “old school” info on reflowing an emitter from Old Lumens.

And here is a newer style method from Matt (Vestureofblood/Adventure Sport Flashlights)

There are also many other videos on YouTube showing how to reflow emitters. So if you were wanting to swap to a different color xhp35-HI or to a xhp35-HD, this is how you do it.

I don’t think Lumintop will be offering any extra parts for at least a couple months. So once someone starts offering a complete package that just requires soldering 2 wires, I’m sure it will be posted.

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DB Custom, i think we don’t have intention to change your definition of WW vs NW.
But you are in BLF GT thread, and right now we have a GT model that is using NW XHP35 HI.
When we perform test on a DUT, we label it correctly to avoid confusion.
Your post labeling GT with WW XHP35 HI as stock light might confuse people who jump into it without knowing you don’t really follow standard definition CREE and other manufacturer adopted for their LED.

No one has said NW is pure white. Being not pure white doesn’t mean we should call NW a WW. They are steps from cool to neutral to warm.
CW or WW are not pure white too.

Sure you have very advance DSLR there. In different lighting environment, it is not easy to get pure white from camera without a white balance card. Maybe Canon has improved so much that its auto white balance is very good nowadays.

cool i'll see you when you get there

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I can not believe this guys attitude. Play by the rules. Thomas King is an idiot.

Rule one.
http://budgetlightforum.com/forum/misc/siterules

 

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seery wrote:

Why does the white building appear yellow in the CW shot

and

white in the NW shot?

.

Did you mixup the images or am I looking at it wrong?

Proprietary color balancing from the digital camera I’d imagine.

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I have just noticed an issue with one of my gt’s battery carriers. It appears that two of the four upper recessed contacts are not connecting (or at most sparsely) to my batteries button top. I have 8 identical Samsung 30q button tops purchased from mountain electronics. All of the contacts in one carrier and half of the other one makes good contact. It seems the two button top with issues stop about the distance of the width of two human hairs. I only noticed by shining a flashlight behind the contacts and seeing light pass through two of them. The only reason I checked is because I took one carrier out to charge the cells and reinstalled the empty carrier to run off of four cells only. I couldn’t get the light to come on. Has anyone else had similar issues? It may be that the 30q buttons don’t protrude enough. No big deal, I fixed it with magnets.

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Blane wrote:
I can not believe this (blah, blah, blah).

MAYBE YOU MISSED THIS BLANE…..
This means you too………

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Please tell him on behalf of the GT team that we accept his apology.

I kind of figured this might be the case (although admittedly I was still quite upset) and I always like to have both sides of a story before judging someone too harshly.

If you could have him PM me on here that would be great so I can see exactly how much damage was done. If he will stop sharing the link it is possible we can salvage this without having to completely start over, which would be great and save a lot of time.

I had figured something like this would happen at some point.

Everyone else, lay off him. I told you from the start to not go out on a witch hunt. I meant it!

Politely letting him know he made a mistake in a constructive way, that is fine. Cursing and abusing him IS NOT OK. EVER!! Even if he was doing this with malice intent.

So when I make a mistake, is this what I have to look forward to? Everyone going off their rockers? It is inevitable that I will make a mistake at some point.

I told ya’ll, we caught it early enough that while it would take a lot of extra time, no one would loose their light. There was no need for people to get personal about this.

This is why I won’t go near social media and had sworn off all online forums until I found BLF and the nice people here brought me back to the internet. Please don’t make me reconsider my choice.

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Joey Adams wrote:
I have just noticed an issue with one of my gt’s battery carriers. It appears that two of the four upper recessed contacts are not connecting (or at most sparsely) to my batteries button top. I have 8 identical Samsung 30q button tops purchased from mountain electronics. All of the contacts in one carrier and half of the other one makes good contact. It seems the two button top with issues stop about the distance of the width of two human hairs. I only noticed by shining a flashlight behind the contacts and seeing light pass through two of them. The only reason I checked is because I took one carrier out to charge the cells and reinstalled the empty carrier to run off of four cells only. I couldn’t get the light to come on. Has anyone else had similar issues? It may be that the 30q buttons don’t protrude enough. No big deal, I fixed it with magnets.
It is the low height of the button tops.
I was worried about the 35E when I saw them. They just barely make contact condidering how much (little) button top is proud of the insulating washer & clear re-wrap.

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DB Custom wrote:
On the tint thing, I call 4000K Warm White because it simply is not neutral, it adds color to white, which is not neutrality. Shine it on a pure white piece of typing paper and the paper looks orange. Shine it on snow and , well, don’t they say never eat yellow snow? In science, the black body is a radiant subject, I have read that on Earth, fresh snow is considered to be a near perfect black body as it has nearly 100% radiance. Pure white. Clouds rate exceedingly high as well. Pure white. Neither blue nor yellow, green nor orange, Neutral, in othe words. No tint. In my beamshot of the OEM GT shining at the moon which is partially behind clouds, the spot of orange from the GT can be plainly seen on the clouds, thereby furthering my explanation that orange is not neutral.

As a photographer I see this as a very important issue, the ability to shine a white light on something without changing the hue of that item. That is very important to me. I cannot call an orange hue neutral for that reason.

Perhaps some people’s camera’s cannot distinguish the slight differences, but I paid top dollar for a top-of-the line best in class camera that indeed can distinguish the subtleties, as well as having a professional monitor and a colorimeter to keep it honest. I DO know the difference between white, and not white. It’s a $5000 wedding dress that is rendered correctly in an image. I know y’all are all very happy to get the GT at the price point, as am I, and I’m not trying to say there’s anything inherently wrong with the light, but considering I pay $500-600 for my flash units that shoot at 5700K to expose an image properly, the line is a fine one. The camera I used to shoot those beam shots just happens to be the best low light camera Canon makes, period. The lens I chose is also among the highest quality offered, so please don’t insult the photo’s by assuming a camera cannot detect the subtleties of hues, it’s really not plausible to get a better result at any price.

Fabulous write-up DB. Thank you for that great info!

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Ok, I was a little angry with him many pages of comments ago.

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I made this comment many pages of comments ago when it was first revealed what had happened.

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Another way to look at the color temp is like 0 degree centigrade is the freezing point of water, it also just happens to be the melting point as well. Since 4000k is the dividing point between neutral and warm white, I see no issue in naming it warm. 3999 is warm white while 4000 k is neutral white, but there is no way I can tell the difference between them. Just my thoughts and ramblings. Cheers!

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teacher wrote:
LuminousIgnis wrote:

(snip)
The only thing I have to say to many and those following, the only regret I made when purchasing my BLF GT was not donating enough to the BLF GT team fund. I have the upmost respect to them because this light is amazing.
That is not a problem at all for any who forgot to donate & now wish to.

According to M4DM4X you can use the same link where you ordered the GT & just put as many $1 donations as you like in a cart. Then check out & you have donated.

Thanks for the info. I will do just that.

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Joey Adams wrote:
I have just noticed an issue with one of my gt’s battery carriers. It appears that two of the four upper recessed contacts are not connecting (or at most sparsely) to my batteries button top. I have 8 identical Samsung 30q button tops purchased from mountain electronics. All of the contacts in one carrier and half of the other one makes good contact. It seems the two button top with issues stop about the distance of the width of two human hairs. I only noticed by shining a flashlight behind the contacts and seeing light pass through two of them. The only reason I checked is because I took one carrier out to charge the cells and reinstalled the empty carrier to run off of four cells only. I couldn’t get the light to come on. Has anyone else had similar issues? It may be that the 30q buttons don’t protrude enough. No big deal, I fixed it with magnets.

Everyone should check for this when they first install their batteries. All these button top pieces are added on by different companies, so there is not always consistency.

I think you have the small diameter button tops.

The button top gap:

In your case, we’re the button tops different heights or were the carrier gaps different heights?

I’ve got wide button tops (raised flat tops from Banggood) in my 30Q and they fit pretty well.

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Honor, Gratitude and Respect. It’s truly a privilege and an honor to participate in the BLF goodness. Thanks y’all! Please keep at it!

Texas_Ace wrote:
wimmer2121 wrote:
I have been asked by Mr. Thomas King to attempt to offer an apology and also an explanation for his actions tonight regarding the giving away of the “NOT TO BE SHARED” info from the GT PMs. Please bear with me.

Please tell him on behalf of the GT team that we accept his apology.

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Sun, 01/07/2018 – 23:59 ……… #14828

Blane wrote:
Ok, I was a little angry with him many pages of comments ago.
Blane wrote:
I made this comment many pages of comments ago when it was first revealed what had happened.

Dude, you made your post 32 minutes & 7 posts before the first quoted one above.
Not “pages ago”…….

No big deal now…. but no use making it sound like when it was not.

Your original post in question is below…. (modified to remove offending content)

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1255457#comment-1255457

Sun, 01/07/2018 – 23:27 ………. #14821

Blane wrote:
I can not believe this guys (snip…. snip …. snipers … snip).

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German review. I am wondering how he got his hands on it.

https://youtu.be/aUX9kWwTVUc

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Rah_BE wrote:
seery wrote:

Why does the white building appear yellow in the CW shot

and

white in the NW shot?

.

Did you mixup the images or am I looking at it wrong?

Proprietary color balancing from the digital camera I’d imagine.


Maybe he accidentally left auto white balance on, or his camera didn’t fully shut it off.
The camera is compensating for the cooler white beam by making the image in general warmer in the first pic and then making the image cooler in the second pic to compensate for the warmer GT temperature.
The light on the house is obviously constant and the same in real life, it’s just the colours are slightly different in the two pics.
The point of that comparison was not really how cold or warm one is compared to the other, but rather how bright it seems.

Joey Adams wrote:
Another way to look at the color temp is like 0 degree centigrade is the freezing point of water, it also just happens to be the melting point as well. Since 4000k is the dividing point between neutral and warm white, I see no issue in naming it warm. 3999 is warm white while 4000 k is neutral white, but there is no way I can tell the difference between them. Just my thoughts and ramblings. Cheers!

This is true. It is a sliding scale.
There is nothing that says it must be neutral if it is 4000 and it must be warm if it is 3999.
I am sure everyone here agrees that 4000k is extremely warm for an LED flashlight.
5000-5700k is more neutral, neither yellow nor blue.
Of course the different proportions of cone cells in people’s eyes make the definition very unclear as well.
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few diff tint shots, to add to the tint confusion here ! lol !
door color is a creamy off white in real life
probably needs a good cleaning!

which 1 is the best Big Smile

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I plan to solder blob all the 35E button tops because (IMO) the carrier springs are too weak

 

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Enderman wrote:

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I am sure everyone here agrees that 4000k is extremely warm for an LED flashlight.
5000-5700k is more neutral, neither yellow nor blue.
Of course the different proportions of cone cells in people’s eyes make the definition very unclear as well.
Yes… I would agree 100% with this statement.
Thank you for making it….. Thumbs Up

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Bo4ka wrote:
German review. I am wondering how he got his hands on it.

https://youtu.be/aUX9kWwTVUc


crap, sure wish i knew what he was saying ! Thumbs Up
darn good video though for sure
wonder what kind of lux that diy hid was kickin out ?

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