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fritz15 wrote:

I assume this design also looks cheap to you? Wink

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Now that’s a design I could believe in for real world use.

While looking good (especially number 2) I’m afraid a plunger of this size, without a handle, will be too tiring to handle for anything longer than short show off sessions.

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RollerBoySE wrote:
Now that’s a design I could believe in for real world use.

While looking good (especially number 2) I’m afraid a plunger of this size, without a handle, will be too tiring to handle for anything longer than short show off sessions.

The handle was rejected early on when people selected the plunger style for this light.

All of these lights will have the ability to attach a handle to the tripod mount but none of them will come with a handle.

A lantern style light will be far superior for a handle based light and it is something that is still being talked about for a later date.

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A lantern style light will be far superior for a handle based light and it is something that is still being talked about for a later date.

Please count me in when that happens.

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Yes Davi, like that input.
As a matter of fact I have been asking for a smoother part of the head to 5ar from the first time I saw a design but that area was left clunky so I figured this is a “designer choice” he does not want to change so then it is done and I stop asking (I see no point in repeating and repeating since part of the organisers team I think I should be as objective as possible)

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I encourage anyone to try to envision N°2 design (wich i agree looks good) in actual use, in a glove box or laying down on a car roof, imagine this massive light resting on those two very localized points (the head elbow and the tail anti-roll/cigar grip) if horizontal, and that crenelated bezel if vertical , it will ruin the ano on the light and the surface you lay the light on if you are not extremely slow/cautious, this light will be completly beat up around head elbow and cigar grip after a day of real use, and it wil chew any surface soft enough with it’s crenelated bezel, now imagine design N°1 with rubber around the tailcap and bezel in any position, that’s a well tought out and utilitarian design, perhaps lacking a bit of knurling to improve grip.

It seems really depends if one wants a shelf queen and favors looks over function, or if one wants to actually use the light.

Good points that should be / should have been incorporated into it.
As is it has many sharp edges.
It will scratch that car roof.
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The Miller wrote:
Yes Davi, like that input.
As a matter of fact I have been asking for a smoother part of the head to 5ar from the first time I saw a design but that area was left clunky so I figured this is a “designer choice” he does not want to change so then it is done and I stop asking (I see no point in repeating and repeating since part of the organisers team I think I should be as objective as possible)
Well,it’s a good point for good reasons, so i still think 5ar should improve his design accordingly.
It’s actually why i joined in with alternatives.
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I know, and you must understand how frustrating it is to slowly see the things I asked 5ar to do way before the first render was published now slowly getting in and not having them in causing the mess we are in now.

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JamesB wrote:
I encourage anyone to try to envision N°2 design (wich i agree looks good) in actual use, in a glove box or laying down on a car roof, imagine this massive light resting on those two very localized points (the head elbow and the tail anti-roll/cigar grip) if horizontal, and that crenelated bezel if vertical , it will ruin the ano on the light and the surface you lay the light on if you are not extremely slow/cautious, this light will be completly beat up around head elbow and cigar grip after a day of real use, and it wil chew any surface soft enough with it’s crenelated bezel, now imagine design N°1 with rubber around the tailcap and bezel in any position, that’s a well tought out and utilitarian design, perhaps lacking a bit of knurling to improve grip.

It seems really depends if one wants a shelf queen and favors looks over function, or if one wants to actually use the light.

My 1x extension TK75 and my X60vn are just fine with the “issues” you describe. And I used my X60vn in Afghanistan in the middle of Kabul.
Shelf queens they were not.

I also like DavidEF’s idea even better – give the cone to those who want it, and I’ll take #2 for a potential GT4/GF quad. Big Smile

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I know, and you must understand how frustrating it is to slowly see the things I asked 5ar to do way before the first render was published now slowly getting in and not having them in causing the mess we are in now.

That’s quite the undertaking, it’s much less messy than it could have been, you are doing a great job as well as all the contributors/designers. Thumbs Up

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The Miller wrote:
I know, and you must understand how frustrating it is to slowly see the things I asked 5ar to do way before the first render was published now slowly getting in and not having them in causing the mess we are in now.
Slowly but surely? Thumbs Up
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The Miller wrote:
I know, and you must understand how frustrating it is to slowly see the things I asked 5ar to do way before the first render was published now slowly getting in and not having them in causing the mess we are in now.
Question .. Shocked
What are you referring to when you say, “the mess we are in now”???

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teacher wrote:
The Miller wrote:
I know, and you must understand how frustrating it is to slowly see the things I asked 5ar to do way before the first render was published now slowly getting in and not having them in causing the mess we are in now.
Question .. Shocked
What are you referring to when you say, “the mess we are in now”???

Well, it is a bit of a battle for the best design..
Also ‘behind the scene’.
Could have been avoided i.m.o.
Various factors are in play..
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Jerommel wrote:
teacher wrote:
The Miller wrote:
I know, and you must understand how frustrating it is to slowly see the things I asked 5ar to do way before the first render was published now slowly getting in and not having them in causing the mess we are in now.
Question .. Shocked
What are you referring to when you say, “the mess we are in now”???

Well, it is a bit of a battle for the best design..
Also ‘behind the scene’.
Could have been avoided i.m.o.
Various factors are in play..
Thank you ‘Jerommel’. Smile
But I am asking ‘The Miller’, the one who made the statement; what he is referring to.

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I don’t see any mess, when designers have a friendly “competition” they bring out their very best and the forum wins! Given the acceptance of both designs it wouldn’t surprise me that another manufacturer picks up the design not selected for this project, I honestly don’t care if design 1 or 2 gets picked they both kick butt!!! I would probably buy both to be honest…!!!

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What a close race , very exiting to see. But also a bit sad since it seems the group is very split in what the light should look like.
I just want to add that regardless of the design i will buy one.

Good work everybody!

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RollerBoySE wrote:
fritz15 wrote:

I assume this design also looks cheap to you? Wink

!{width:50%}http://www.superfonarik.ru/images/product_images/popup_images/polarion_p...!

Now that’s a design I could believe in for real world use.

While looking good (especially number 2) I’m afraid a plunger of this size, without a handle, will be too tiring to handle for anything longer than short show off sessions.

Ypu need to start working out, and especially in the upper body/arms…. Wink

That’s why there is attachment points for a strap I belive, and a handle can be boltet on in the tripod mount. Wink

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RollerBoySE wrote:
fritz15 wrote:

I assume this design also looks cheap to you? Wink

!{width:50%}http://www.superfonarik.ru/images/product_images/popup_images/polarion_p...!

Now that’s a design I could believe in for real world use.

While looking good (especially number 2) I’m afraid a plunger of this size, without a handle, will be too tiring to handle for anything longer than short show off sessions.

Ypu need to start working out, and especially in the upper body/arms…. Wink

That’s why there is attachment points for a strap I belive, and a handle can be boltet on in the tripod mount. Wink

Naw, this is more me:

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MorpheusT1 wrote:
What a close race , very exiting to see. But also a bit sad since it seems the group is very split in what the light should look like.
I just want to add that regardless of the design i will buy one.

Good work everybody!


This bold is what I mean and the sometimes not all that friendly posts teacher, Jerommel said it well and he knows since we have a little pm going on with the designers Wink

Oh entries for the list in the GT topic please Smile

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RollerBoySE wrote:
MortyDuck wrote:
RollerBoySE wrote:
fritz15 wrote:

I assume this design also looks cheap to you? Wink

!{width:50%}http://www.superfonarik.ru/images/product_images/popup_images/polarion_p...!

Now that’s a design I could believe in for real world use.

While looking good (especially number 2) I’m afraid a plunger of this size, without a handle, will be too tiring to handle for anything longer than short show off sessions.

Ypu need to start working out, and especially in the upper body/arms…. Wink

That’s why there is attachment points for a strap I belive, and a handle can be boltet on in the tripod mount. Wink

Naw, this is more me:
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Hahhahahah Big Smile

…me to… Wink

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Thank God, before I vote for… potato power D5 Big Smile , I realized that this is a serious poll. Then again I realized that only serious flashaholics should vote in a BLF’s GT thrower poll, so please inform whow can I cancel my D1 vote, as I’m still a newbie! Ughh

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heheh there should be a button “cancel vote”

we will do a new vote for 1 and 2 so it seems.

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The Miller wrote:
heheh there should be a button “cancel vote”

we will do a new vote for 1 and 2 so it seems.


Don’t hurry it. (is what i would say)
I think both could do with some more time to make adjustments.
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I had specific reasons for choosing option 2 and given what TA said about the need for knurling and no cost difference between the two heads, it was a good choice :D. VOTE DESIGN-2!! design 1 is a plunger and sends mean emails!

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eebowler wrote:
design 1 is a plunger and sends mean emails!

LOL, while I do much prefer design 2 myself design 1 is still a great looking light and something I would love to own, just in a smaller package.

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I had specific reasons for choosing option 2 and given what TA said about the need for knurling and no cost difference between the two heads, it was a good choice :D. VOTE DESIGN-2!! design 1 is a plunger and sends mean emails!

No, #1 has better proportions, ergonomics and balance.
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#1 design is classy and reminds me of the Polarion... my dream flashlight for many years. #2 looks badass like a L6 on steroids. If the manufacturer can also make the handle my vote goes for #1, but if not I'll go with #2. Either design is amazing!

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will34 wrote:

#1 design is classy and reminds me of the Polarion… my dream flashlight for many years. #2 looks badass like a L6 on steroids. If the manufacturer can also make the handle my vote goes for #1, but if not I’ll go with #2. Either design is amazing!

The handle will not be coming with the light although you will be able to use a tripod mounted handle on both lights.

Fritz could most likely upload the CAD file for the handle though and it is possible it could be 3D printed but it would not look nearly as good or be as strong as metal.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
will34 wrote:

#1 design is classy and reminds me of the Polarion… my dream flashlight for many years. #2 looks badass like a L6 on steroids. If the manufacturer can also make the handle my vote goes for #1, but if not I’ll go with #2. Either design is amazing!

The handle will not be coming with the light although you will be able to use a tripod mounted handle on both lights.

Fritz could most likely upload the CAD file for the handle though and it is possible it could be 3D printed but it would not look nearly as good or be as strong as metal.

I have a good idea for the handle and will include it into my next design.

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Jerommel wrote:
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VOTE DESIGN-2!!
No, #1 has better proportions, ergonomics and balance.
No, while they both/all look great…… #2 has better proportions, ergonomics, and balance. As well as better cooling potential for a future mod platform.
Vote #2.

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teacher wrote:
Jerommel wrote:
eebowler wrote:
VOTE DESIGN-2!!
No, #1 has better proportions, ergonomics and balance.
No, while they both/all look great…… #2 has better proportions, ergonomics, and balance. As well as better cooling potential for a future mod platform. Vote #2.

Yeah, Jerommel, while I respect you greatly, I really disagree on this one. I have a TK75 w/extension, an X60, a TR-J20, and a TR-J19 and they all balance and handle just fine. I have a cone-shaped stubby zoom light and it’s the worst by far on ergos, balance, and proportion. Heck, I wish my TM16 had a 4×18650 extension available. Big Smile

But as it’s been said, maybe do a run of both designs? There are two camps that really love one and really don’t love the other. I’d be all for BLF GT1 being design 1 and BLF GT2 (or whatever the name) being design 2.

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