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I know, and you must understand how frustrating it is to slowly see the things I asked 5ar to do way before the first render was published now slowly getting in and not having them in causing _*the mess we are in now*_.
Question .. Shocked What are you referring to when you say, "_*the mess we are in now*_"???
Well, it is a bit of a battle for the best design.. Also 'behind the scene'. Could have been avoided i.m.o. Various factors are in play..
Thank you 'Jerommel'. Smile But I am asking 'The Miller', the one who made the statement; what he is referring to.

Yes The Miller, explain to us a little more closelyinnocent

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Doing 2 designs of the same light would not be an option due to simple logistics, it makes no sense for a company to do that.

Now converting one of the designs into a different flashlight, that is something that might be an option.

Say something in the ~60-70mm range with 26650 or even 32650 cells maybe?

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Yes Keithd this is discussed but using same tube, base head for GT2 or whatever the name Wink is much easier then start over with a new design.

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I know, and you must understand how frustrating it is to slowly see the things I asked 5ar to do way before the first render was published now slowly getting in and not having them in causing the mess we are in now.
:?: .. Shocked What are you referring to when you say, “the mess we are in now”?
Well, it is a bit of a battle for the best design.. Also ‘behind the scene’. Could have been avoided i.m.o. Various factors are in play..
Thank you ‘Jerommel’. Smile But I am asking ‘The Miller’, the one who made the statement; what he is referring to.

Yes The Miller, explain to us a little more closelyinnocent

OK, I read what you said (quoted below); in response to my question ‘The Miller’. Not sure that answered what I asked.
The Miller in post #109 wrote:
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But also a bit sad since it seems the group is very split in what the light should look like.
This bold is what I mean and the sometimes not all that friendly posts teacher, Jerommel said it well and he knows since we have a little pm going on with the designers Wink Oh entries for the list in the GT topic please Smile

So I’ll just make it real plain.

Maybe it is a “language thing”, but when I read what is quoted below; it comes across to me as if you are throwing ‘5ar’ under the bus and blaming the need for this poll on him.

And personally, I do not see any need for ‘5ar’ to change his design for any reason…. unless he himself wants to.

I know that is pretty plain, but there is no use beating around the bush; that is how your statements come across to me.

All the designs look very good and I am just telling you how your remarks come across to me.
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The Miller in post #95 wrote:
Yes Davi, like that input.
As a matter of fact I have been asking for a smoother part of the head to 5ar from the first time I saw a design but that area was left clunky so I figured this is a “designer choice” he does not want to change so then it is done and I stop asking (I see no point in repeating and repeating since part of the organisers team I think I should be as objective as possible)
Jerommel in post #97 wrote:
Well,it’s a good point for good reasons, so i still think 5ar should improve his design accordingly.
It’s actually why i joined in with alternatives.
The Miller in post #98 wrote:
I know, and you must understand how frustrating it is to slowly see the things I asked 5ar to do way before the first render was published now slowly getting in and not having them in causing the mess we are in now.

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teacher, had a post ready, refuse to openly go into negativity, Pm it to you now.

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Guys; it’s only a flashlight, not the end of the world.

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Guys; it’s only a flashlight, not the end of the world.

But how will we know if we are approaching the end of the world without a flashlight?!? Do you realize what could happen if you don’t see it coming!?

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keithd wrote:
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VOTE DESIGN-2!!
No, #1 has better proportions, ergonomics and balance.
No, while they both/all look great…… #2 has better proportions, ergonomics, and balance. As well as better cooling potential for a future mod platform. Vote #2.

Yeah, Jerommel, while I respect you greatly, I really disagree on this one. I have a TK75 w/extension, an X60, a TR-J20, and a TR-J19 and they all balance and handle just fine. I have a cone-shaped stubby zoom light and it’s the worst by far on ergos, balance, and proportion. Heck, I wish my TM16 had a 4×18650 extension available. Big Smile

But as it’s been said, maybe do a run of both designs? There are two camps that really love one and really don’t love the other. I’d be all for BLF GT1 being design 1 and BLF GT2 (or whatever the name) being design 2.

It’s apparently your taste, but the #2 has a heavy bulky head so you can’t easily hold it near the centre of gravity.
That’s just not nice for a heavy hand held light.
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RollerBoySE wrote:
Guys; it’s only a flashlight, not the end of the world.

You bite your tongue! You bite it right now!

…flashlight is love, flashlight is life.

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keithd wrote:
RollerBoySE wrote:
Guys; it’s only a flashlight, not the end of the world.

You bite your tongue! You bite it right now!

…flashlight is love, flashlight is life.


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teacher wrote:

So I’ll just make it real plain.
Please, spare us the armchair wisdom this time.
But let me make it plain then.
It seems (and correct me if i’m wrong) 5ar doesn’t yet pick up on the points made about his design.
And i’m not talking about aesthetics, but about weight distribution, handling and protruding sharp bits.
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The Miller wrote:
teacher, had a post ready, refuse to openly go into negativity, Pm it to you now.
Facepalm
It is too late for that ‘The Miller’, you have already done that with the negative comments you openly made about ‘5ar’.

I simply then “openly” asked you about them, yet you seemingly refuse to “openly” address what you said.
I’m not picking on you or even mad or upset.
I only wish for you to “openly” explain your comments or “openly” apologize to ‘5ar’ if you cannot.

If I read what he wrote correctly, ‘5ar’ would like an explanation also.

The ball is in your court……..

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I think miller is (understandably) frustrated with all the bickering that has been going on, I think it just caught up to him.

Admittedly I have been childish and I should have just let things slide, I apologize for my part in it.

I also need to apologize to Jerommel for being overly argumentive.

How about we put things behind us and everyone work _TOGETHER _to make the GT happen.

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Both design 1 and 2 are good and popular options.
Both of them need things tweaked and changed, neither is perfect.
The results are too close between the two to make a concrete decision.
Instead of arguing why one is better than the other, we should be making suggestions and improvements to both of them one feature at a time.

Eg. first decide what the logo will look like, then decide on knurling or no knurling and where, then decide on tailcap flanges or not, etc.
I think by doing this and having these decisions implemented to both designs we will end up with something in the middle that most people will be happy with.
Currently the lights are far too different and unique and appeal to people with different tastes.

Maybe working out other parts of the light first like a reflector will help make more progress currently rather than arguing about aesthetics.
Thickness of metals, positions of fins, and stuff like that is not set in stone so anything about “balance” or “temperature” is pretty irrelevant at this point in the decision making progress.
Both lights have almost identical proportions and balance and temperature can be worked out later easily.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
I think miller is (understandably) frustrated with all the bickering that has been going on, I think it just caught up to him.

Admittedly I have been childish and I should have just let things slide, I apologize for my part in it.

I also need to apologize to Jerommel for being overly argumentive.

How about we put things behind us and everyone work _TOGETHER _to make the GT happen.

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Jerommel wrote:
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So I’ll just make it real plain.
Please, spare us the armchair wisdom this time.
But let me make it plain then.
It seems (and correct me if i’m wrong) 5ar doesn’t yet pick up on the points made about his design.
And i’m not talking about aesthetics, but about weight distribution, handling and protruding sharp bits.
I’ll go with ‘Crystal Clear’ then this time Jerommel…. as in “Let me make it” Wink

I hate to admit it, but I honestly like the design you came up with.(Just not for this light….)
But as far as your opinions, “personal preference”, and how you come across as feeling everyone’s design has to agree with “your vision” ……. I could care less about any of it.
I know you’ll be heart broken…… Wink , but I actually do care less than zero. Smile

Case in point, what you said above about “5ar doesn’t yet pick up on the points made about his design”. Why in the world would he do a wholesale change of “his design” to accommodate what you think might be problem areas.

I don’t think they are. This is going to be a BIG light, and I think with 8 × 18650’s it will be balance just fine. Weight distribution as well as handling will be smooth also….. for a BIG light.

And as far as “protruding sharp bits”……… Facepalm .. Give me a break. Facepalm

This is what I think, you can disagree all you want. But for you to proclaim your way is the only correct way is laughable. As is saying ‘5ar’ doesn’t understand his own design.

So hopefully you will take your own advice and “spare us” also.

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teacher wrote:
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teacher wrote:

So I’ll just make it real plain.
Please, spare us the armchair wisdom this time.
But let me make it plain then.
It seems (and correct me if i’m wrong) 5ar doesn’t yet pick up on the points made about his design.
And i’m not talking about aesthetics, but about weight distribution, handling and protruding sharp bits.
I’ll go with ‘Crystal Clear’ then this time Jerommel…. as in “Let me make it” Wink

I hate to admit it, but I honestly like the design you came up with.(Just not for this light….)
But as far as your opinions, “personal preference”, and how you come across as feeling everyone’s design has to agree with “your vision” ……. I could care less about any of it.
I know you’ll be heart broken…… Wink , but I actually do care less than zero. Smile

Okay Teach, let’s not make this personal.

Quote:

Case in point, what you said above about “5ar doesn’t yet pick up on the points made about his design”. Why in the world would he do a wholesale change of “his design” to accommodate what you think might be problem areas.

More from the armchair….
I have explained myself enough.
If it’s not satisfactory to you then so be it.
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Enderman wrote:
Both design 1 and 2 are good and popular options.
Both of them need things tweaked and changed, neither is perfect.
The results are too close between the two to make a concrete decision.
Instead of arguing why one is better than the other, we should be making suggestions and improvements to both of them one feature at a time.

Eg. first decide what the logo will look like, then decide on knurling or no knurling and where, then decide on tailcap flanges or not, etc.
I think by doing this and having these decisions implemented to both designs we will end up with something in the middle that most people will be happy with.
Currently the lights are far too different and unique and appeal to people with different tastes.

Maybe working out other parts of the light first like a reflector will help make more progress currently rather than arguing about aesthetics.
Thickness of metals, positions of fins, and stuff like that is not set in stone so anything about “balance” or “temperature” is pretty irrelevant at this point in the decision making progress.
Both lights have almost identical proportions and balance and temperature can be worked out later easily.


You are of course welcome to your opinion, but it seems to me that people are going too far with the insistence that all these designs need to be re-worked somehow. The designs have been submitted. The poll is open. Too many people are trying to pressure designers into making changes. IMHO, this is not the time for being back seat drivers. These guys aren’t getting paid by the hour here. They don’t work for us. This is a hobby. The idea that they must work in every suggested modification we might dream up is absurd.

I explained before how I voted for a design that, while nice, wasn’t my heart’s first pick. I voted for the one I thought would make the best light from the designs we were given, assuming the designs don’t change between now and production. I think that is the most honest way to vote. Voting with strings attached is only going to make the poll results meaningless.

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You are of course welcome to your opinion, but it seems to me that people are going too far with the insistence that all these designs need to be re-worked somehow. The designs have been submitted. The poll is open. Too many people are trying to pressure designers into making changes. IMHO, this is not the time for being back seat drivers. These guys aren’t getting paid by the hour here. They don’t work for us. This is a hobby. The idea that they must work in every suggested modification we might dream up is absurd.

I explained before how I voted for a design that, while nice, wasn’t my heart’s first pick. I voted for the one I thought would make the best light from the designs we were given, assuming the designs don’t change between now and production. I think that is the most honest way to vote. Voting with strings attached is only going to make the poll results meaningless.


That is true, people are doing this for free, but I highly doubt anything can stay the way it is before it goes into manufacturing.
It simply never works out like that.
It would be great if it did, but it never does, so change is something that people need to accept.
That’s what engineering is like.
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No, the voting was an excellent ‘feeler’.
But i.m.o. a bit premature, and i understand 5ar thought it was a bit premature too.
(there is also PM communication going on you see.)

We’ll get there. Thumbs Up

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Jerommel wrote:
No, the voting was an excellent ‘feeler’.
But i.m.o. a bit premature, and i understand 5ar thought it was a bit premature too.
(there is also PM communication going on you see.)

We’ll get there. Thumbs Up


Exactly. Nobody should look at this poll and say “oh #2 got 5 extra votes (or wahtever) therefore this is what the flashlight will look like”
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Okay Teach, let’s not make this personal.
More from the armchair….
I have explained myself enough.
If it’s not satisfactory to you then so be it.
I agree completely Jeromm & feel the same way. Thumbs Up

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teacher wrote:
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Okay Teach, let’s not make this personal.
More from the armchair….
I have explained myself enough.
If it’s not satisfactory to you then so be it.
I agree completely Jeromm & feel the same way. Thumbs Up
Ah but you’re not aware of everything you see.
You just assume these things are an attack from just me on just 5ar and / or his design.
But i was explaining something and i would like to be corrected if i’m wrong.
But you’re not in the position to do that.
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Teacher, let’s end this tiff.

We all want the same thing:
An awesome thrower, a Giga Thrower that will be right for everyone.

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I agree.
I ended it back in post #143…… Smile

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Hey ‘The Miller’ this one is for you Wink

Cheers David

Nothing to see here folks, move along...

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I voted for #2, but #1 was a very close second.
I would be happy with 1, 2, 3 or 4!

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Seem to me got a winner?

204 have voted, and we have to go 19 pages backwards in “older polls” section to have more voters , with What LED tint do you prefer? – 273 votes

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Texas_Ace wrote:
The rubberized bezel and tail is actually a really good idea that I liked from the start, I was sad I didn’t think of them actually lol.

It is something that could be added to design 2 easily enough as well (or any of the others).

I like the rubber bezel/tail bumpers idea. On a flashlight this large it would be great. I don’t see it in any of the designs, but hope it could be considered for the one(s) that is selected.

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