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Another one! When will people freaking learn?

Hey lads so we always talk about this subject of lithium ion safety. Some how this subjects shows its ugly head every now and then when a vapor gets vaped! You should be able to google the incident from the headline.
Apparently it was a LG HG2 cell so we know what he was doing probably a sub ohm mod. But did he know what he was doing? Could the LG cells be fakes and that caused an issue?

My favorite part is the burn marks across his wall lol.

Headline is!
Idaho father, 30, loses seven teeth and is left with second degree burns after vape explodes in his face

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4125240/Idaho-man-loses-teeth-va...

All these incidents are going to end up with us having tighter restrictions and or some one dying! My little brother’s friend is a mad stoner he just got into vaping but i have drilled into his head the safety aspect of vaping and using lithium ions.

I know a lot of people on here vape but i also know a lot of them can school me in lithium technology and safety.

I guess i should end this vape safe please.

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You can’t spot much on the picture of the blown battery, but by comparing it with this I think it could even be a genuine battery. It has this kind of extra rim near the plus terminal. But still one can be sure that he must have been overstress the battery.

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Yea either thermal run away or a short circuit. It vented violently maybe it was over charged?

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I don’t get it, doesn’t the cell get really hot before it vents? If I would be vaping and the thing gets hot I’d throw away as far as possible. People here have flashlight without thermal control that draw I don’t know how many amps on turbo so the light gets hot and I haven’t read anything about accidents since I joined the board. If it gets hot u switch to a lower mode

Idiot proofing something only creates improved idiots.

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Hmmm…
An Astrolux S41 is also a sub Ohm device…
And i’m not sure if those Enercigs or Keeppower 18350 are made for that kind of surge…
I guess the extra heat (and light) my S41S generates on a VTC5 is generated in those 18350s…

They just shouldn’t demonize tobacco and make it so expensive i.m.o.
I dunno…

Maybe the guy screwed up his vaper, got a short circuit on a freshly charged cell.
And who knows what kind of charger he used…

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To be honest I am not sure why people do not just err on the side of caution with something as dangerous as lithium ion batteries. I am considering opening an old laptop for the cells, but have been putting it off because I haven’t researched this extensively yet, I am way too afraid of something going wrong.

“When in doubt, don’t use it” might not always bring the best results, but at least it’s safe.

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Hahahaha throw your exploding flashlight at some one? lol Their has been a few incidents with light blowing up its usually using a Ultrafire cell.

People really need to be more careful. I am not saying to not do your Sub Ohms mods but use some common sense.

Every year without fail a few of these get posted on here helps to remind us. How many incidents go unmentioned?

God forbid some one does die then lithium ion cells will be banned!

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That’s exactly what I’ve been trying to say. Nobody wants to hear it.

If it gets hot, and you wanna throw it, where are you gonna toss it when people are all around? Essentially, you’re throwing a bomb at people.

I am not 100% sure how the things work, but I’ve been given a device that is used to wind a coil, and that makes me think the coil is a direct short on the cell, glows red hot and vaporizes the chemical/liquid. Bad news! And that’s in the mouth? More bad news!

But that’s just my logic and I could be wrong. I won’t do it, I won’t allow someone to do it around my kids. Simple as that.

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…it’s not without reason some cells have “use only in packs” (or similar) printed on them…
…and frankly, those shrink wraps are easily damaged too…

It wouldn’t surprise me if Li Ion batteries get banned sooner or later.
Sure, you can blame the cause®s of the mishaps, but these things only happen with Li Ion cells..
Hmm.. maybe with lead acid car batteries too…

I don’t know..
18220 NiMH batteries would be cool (3 of them would make 18660), or LiFePo with more capacity..

And here we’re waiting for even more Li Ion power in a 21700 package.. Facepalm

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Yeah ok I don’t mean throw it at people (or animals ) but I sure as hell ain’t gonna keep it to my face. I mean these things don’t just explode in a second. It must get really hot before it goes boom or is it like push the button and boom?

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That’s exactly what I’ve been trying to say. Nobody wants to hear it.

If it gets hot, and you wanna throw it, where are you gonna toss it when people are all around? Essentially, you’re throwing a bomb at people.

I am not 100% sure how the things work, but I’ve been given a device that is used to wind a coil, and that makes me think the coil is a direct short on the cell, glows red hot and vaporizes the chemical/liquid. Bad news! And that’s in the mouth? More bad news!

This is indeed totally crazy.
Once the coil is hot it’ll be okay, but when cold the resistance must be extremely low. Facepalm
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I think in both cases with light and vaping they act as a pressure vessel and a heat sink also. Basically if you had a short in a light you wouldn’t be able to tell if the battery was getting really hot until it was to late? Most of the time batteries are not making contact with the flashlight wall all the way across. So the battery will have to be really hot before transferring the heat?
Also with lights they maybe be waterproof which will act a pressure vessel if the cell does vent and would cause an explosion and create shrapnel. I think its the pressure difference between the inside of the light and the ambient air pressure that cause the problem here.

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Also with lights they maybe be waterproof which will act a pressure vessel if the cell does vent and would cause an explosion and create shrapnel.

I think the switch boot will blow out. Maybe the lens end too. Question

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Yea they would be the first to go i guess. It also depend on the design it could be an electronic switch. Even if the glass breaks it can still explode out. This is worse case scenario.

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Jerommel wrote:
…it’s not without reason some cells have “use only in packs” (or similar) printed on them…
…and frankly, those shrink wraps are easily damaged too…

It wouldn’t surprise me if Li Ion batteries get banned sooner or later.
Sure, you can blame the cause®s of the mishaps, but these things only happen with Li Ion cells..
Hmm.. maybe with lead acid car batteries too…

I don’t know..
18220 NiMH batteries would be cool (3 of them would make 18660), or LiFePo with more capacity..

And here we’re waiting for even more Li Ion power in a 21700 package.. Facepalm

I can tell you from personal experience that a lead acid car battery will make one hell of a bang if mistreated. Back in high school votech we had a badly mistreated battery on a cart used to jump the shop cars as needed. One day while it was charging I accidentally flipped the wrong switch on the charger and made a spark, hello small hydrogen bomb in my face. The glasses kept the acid out of my eyes thankfully but I had plastic shrapnel from the battery case embedded in my arm and my clothing was basically turned to Swiss cheese from the acid. We also found pieces of the case in every corner of the 5000 square foot shop. Much more violent than any li ion explosion that I’ve ever heard of. Scary AF as well for a 16-17 year old kid that I was at the time.

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I’m shocked. Your claim is that some 30 year old guy in Idaho still had 7 teeth? Shocked. Still, wish the man the best.

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I’m shocked. Your claim is that some 30 year old guy in Idaho still had 7 teeth? Shocked. Still, wish the man the best.

You sir have just won the internet for the night. Congrats.

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First of all I don’t get het whole vaping-thing.

1) If you wanna smoke…..smoke! Facepalm
2) “Vaping” in the bathroom? Really? I Always though vaping was not addictive…….
3) The explosion was so damaging it caused his sink to break !!! Question

So, this guy was standing up, the vapingthing exploded, the bathroom sink (one meter away!!) broke and his head is still attached to his torso? Really? REALLY???

This story makes little sense to me. If the explosion was so strong that it broke the sink the damage to his his head would have been much greater.
More likely he put the vapinthingy on the sink (for whaterver reason) and had his face close to it.
And why ghe f,,k would you want to do that?

Dodgy story. Just my 2 cents.

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He could have been sitting on the John, face a foot from the sink corner… just saying. He does say it blew up in his mouth. He was getting ready to go to work, I’m assuming he was “taking care of business” before heading out.

Rude awakening, no doubt!

Edit: The mouth piece plastic, threads strip and the metal end holding the cell fires off like a rocket? Breaking the sink, bouncing up towards the corner where the flamed path shows it’s travel? Logic many times fails to explain truth.

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Nicolaas wrote:
First of all I don’t get het whole vaping-thing.

1) If you wanna smoke…..smoke! Facepalm

Smoking is getting ridiculously expensive and is said to be more harmful to health than vaping.
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2) “Vaping” in the bathroom? Really? I Always though vaping was not addictive…….
Well, when you vape a nicotine containing substance, itś addictive just like smoking tobacco.
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3) The explosion was so damaging it caused his sink to break !!! Question
Yeah, that’s some strong coffee, isn’t it?
Maybe the bottom with the switch shot out and cracked the sink there.
Remember that on the other end it blew out 7 of his teeth..
That’s some force there…
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Exploding vaper just says he bought a cheap copy with fake vent holes and an airtight battery compartment

In addition with people overdischarge their cells regularely vaping with an almost depleeted cell dropping under load below 2V, the cell gets damaged over time

My dad had a fully drained lead battery in his car below front seat, he wanted to charge it at -5dC
I am glad he told me I took the battery in the house and it was partially frozen
Charging a frozen lead battery is a guranteed way to get a really big mess

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Expecting people to learn is like expecting car accidents to stop happening.
Get used to it…

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Enderman wrote:
Expecting people to learn is like expecting car accidents to stop happening.
Get used to it…

No one will ban cars, governments will ban lithium ion batteries

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Quote:
In the video there’s a puff of dark smoke followed by a bright flash.
Looks like afuel-air explosion

Quote:
www.globalsecurity.org › Military › Systems › Munitions › Explosives › Dumb BombsJul 7, 2011 –

Fuel-Air Explosives [FAE] disperse an aerosol cloud of fuel which is ignited by an embedded detonator to produce an explosion.

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Bort wrote:

No one will ban cars, governments will ban lithium ion batteries

“gas is explosive, let’s ban it” said nobody ever.
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Perhaps a safer chemistry will make things better for vapers.

Well, I think they already knew the dangers of using regular tobacco. I still consider vaping might be safer even with occasional explosion Big Smile

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Enderman wrote:
Bort wrote:

No one will ban cars, governments will ban lithium ion batteries

“gas is explosive, let’s ban it” said nobody ever.

The li ion restrictions already in place from airplanes and shipping are not just for show

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Bort wrote:

The li ion restrictions already in place from airplanes and shipping are not just for show

Yes, and fyi you’re also not allowed to take gas, fireworks, knives, explosives, guns, and a few other things on planes.
Just because it’s dangerous and restricted does not mean it will be banned.
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Well, who knows what mech mod did he used…we digital smokers do some wierd stuuf in order to make our smoking better Smile

Personaly, i do own 4 different devices ( and like 10+ atomizers) and i always try myself not to push the battery tha hard, since i am an MLT i use them at 5-6 amps tops, using Sanyo GA 24/7
However, when i use a battery for a month or two, actualy when the bottom gets scatched from the charger i simply throw that battery away, safety first, its 4 euros
Even so nothing is guaranteed, i still could explode

yet, i would never ever go back to the casual smoking

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