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600 Lumens for 295$ LMAO

I just could’t resist 600 Lumens for 295$
Anyone?
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Even with lifetime gurantee I rather buy a 50$ light from good manufactors, when it breaks or gets lost I buy just another one

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Never liked their lights, the ones from the military anyway. We (Marines) are going to get, be and stay soaking wet for long periods. A light that has to be unscrewed to turn off isn’t going to stay waterproof and I always feel like the head will work its way off at some point. If I want it to be waterproof I have to remove the batteries and screw the light down tight. Then when I need a light I have to reassemble it while the bad guys patiently wait for me to shoot them…

I know why they did it but their idea of a feature seems like a flaw, there has to be a better way. Just my 2 or 3 cents.

Edit – I clarified this in a later post but somehow it’s been missed. I wrote “head” but meant tail cap. Hope that helps.
Side note, a friend who’s still in the military was trying to give these away last year – no takers. The unit was throwing them away because nobody used them. Waste of $$$

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Compared to, say, a Convoy M2, is the SureFire built better? Maybe. Better warranty? Probably.

Would it out-perform an M2? Dubious. Would it outlast 10 M2s? Highly doubt it.

I’ve never owned a SureFire (or a Streamlight, HDS, Malkoff, etc.). I lost a $30 light once, and I’m still emotionally scarred. I’m too klutzy to put a $300 torch in my pocket for EDC. But I wouldn’t judge anybody else for doing it. My previous EDC pistol was $1400 with the laser.

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Quite big head, especially for TIR…and no mention about 18650. Strange that even for that price they could not afford good electronics.

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Major ripoff, doubtlessly.

Remembers me of the buying crap for cheap days (in a $ort of way Big Smile ). Look:

 

Looks like that Saik SA-9 I first purchased, “upgraded” with a new bezel, “XM-L Q5” emitter and 3000 lumens of output. Totally owns the above flashlight!

Guess what I bought was a more honest product, with a genuine XR-E ez900 pumping out “just” 400 lumens.

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I’ve never liked the fact that you have to use multiple batteries on most of their lights.

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oh good god, thats just a LITTLE much…

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jf_smm wrote:
A light that has to be unscrewed to turn off isn’t going to stay waterproof and I always feel like the head will work its way off at some point.

What light are you talking about…?
No flashlight needs to be unscrewed to turn off, and the head on the UM2 is attached as solidly as any other flashlight, probably more.
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Sad to say Surefire is way overpriced, and way behind the times. This is coming from an American who likes to support his country. I bow my head in shame Sad

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A light that has to be unscrewed to turn off isn’t going to stay waterproof and I always feel like the head will work its way off at some point.
What light are you talking about…? No flashlight needs to be unscrewed to turn off, and the head on the UM2 is attached as solidly as any other flashlight, probably more.

The SF tactical lights model #6P (and a few others) were set up so that the tail switch was momentary only. There was no “click” to turn it on/off, once your thumb came off the switch the circuit was open again. If you wanted the light to stay on the tail had to be screwed on tighter to complete the circuit w/o using your thumb. At that point the switch had no effect because the circuit was complete.

I misstated head when I meant tail re: twisty switch operation. I regret if that caused any confusion.

Some guys swear by this set up but I can’t stand it. For that matter I’m not fond of any twisty light though I have a few in my third string of flashlight players.

I’m afraid I can’t find a pic of one of the older SF packages that explains the tactical momentary/twist on tail cap but here’s a link to one of them on ebay where the seller explains it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Surefire-6P-65-Lumen-Flashlight-NIB-with-NO-RESERVE-and-FREE-SHIPPING-/201808546437?hash=item2efcba0a85:g:8qAAAOSwU-pXp9Jn

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jf_smm wrote:

The SF tactical lights model #6P (and a few others) were set up so that the tail switch was momentary only. There was no “click” to turn it on/off, once your thumb came off the switch the circuit was open again. If you wanted the light to stay on the tail had to be screwed on tighter to complete the circuit w/o using your thumb. At that point the switch had no effect because the circuit was complete.

I misstated head when I meant tail re: twisty switch operation. I regret if that caused any confusion.

Some guys swear by this set up but I can’t stand it. For that matter I’m not fond of any twisty light though I have a few in my third string of flashlight players.

I’m afraid I can’t find a pic of one of the older SF packages that explains the tactical momentary/twist on tail cap but here’s a link to one of them on ebay where the seller explains it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Surefire-6P-65-Lumen-Flashlight-NIB-with-NO-RESERVE-and-FREE-SHIPPING-/201808546437?hash=item2efcba0a85:g:8qAAAOSwU-pXp9Jn


But this post is about the UM2 not the 6P…
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I was just commenting in another topic, Surefire is WAY over priced and needs some SERIOUS competition.
I’ll admit, I have Surfire lights, and they take a beating like the Energizer Bunny.
Are they behind in the industry? Yes. Ever since Paul Kim left SF, they have felt it.
SF is butt hurt. PK Designs is in the wake. As is more well known designers.

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Lexel wrote:
Even with lifetime gurantee I rather buy a 50$ light from good manufactors, when it breaks or gets lost I buy just another one

That’s the point, that people who get Suefire lights don’t want it to break. Ever. They’re often military or in lawn-forcement, and want something Reliable™ at all costs. When your life might very well literally depend on it…

You and I can make due with a 50buk light (or 20buk light, or 10buk light) and probably have a spare or two squirreled away Just In Case. Big Smile

There’s a market for hi-rel components, definitely. Me, I’d rather just have spares. Big Smile

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manithree wrote:
I’ve never owned a SureFire (or a Streamlight, HDS, Malkoff, etc.). I lost a $30 light once, and I’m still emotionally scarred. I’m too klutzy to put a $300 torch in my pocket for EDC.

You, too, eh? When I misplaced my little 3buk bobofett light for a day or two, I almost had to cry myself to sleep.

Thank B’harni I found it on the kitchen counter later. Still no idea how it got there.

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But I wouldn’t judge anybody else for doing it. My previous EDC pistol was $1400 with the laser.

Yeah, that’s why I stopped EDCing my 80buk Quark and started EDCing a modded ’502. (And even that ’502 I’m now emotionally bonded with… no more “throwaway” light!)

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Sad to say Surefire is way overpriced, and way behind the times. This is coming from an American who likes to support his country. I bow my head in shame Sad

They price ‘em at “what the market will bear”. LEOs, mil, etc., will always have the Deep Pockets to buy ‘em.

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Lightbringer wrote:

They price ‘em at “what the market will bear”. LEOs, mil, etc., will always have the Deep Pockets to buy ‘em.

Exactly, a lot of pro stuff is overpriced simply because professionals and corporations can afford it.
It’s not meant to be bought by regular consumers, even less ones coming from a “budget” forum xD
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Enderman wrote:
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A light that has to be unscrewed to turn off isn’t going to stay waterproof and I always feel like the head will work its way off at some point.
What light are you talking about…? No flashlight needs to be unscrewed to turn off, and the head on the UM2 is attached as solidly as any other flashlight, probably more.

Are you going to do a review or have you already posted one?

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Are you going to do a review or have you already posted one?


No… it’s just logic… why would the head be any looser than any other flashlight?

From my experience with the hellfighter, the stuff is screwed on so tight that you need to make a custom tool to remove stuff.
A 1/4” bolt even ripped in half while disassembling.

Also, the UM2 has a button on the side which is an “on off” switch, so it doesn’t need to be unscrewed to turn off.

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All flashlights are not created equal. I could send you one that the threads will probably strip if you tightened it too much by hand. Cheap and nasty.
The hellfighter is not what this post is about as you pointed out to another poster above “But this post is about the UM2 not the 6P”.
The hellfighter looks like a beast of a build by all accounts but it would need to be over engineered to withstand some of the uses it was designed for, tank mounting being one of them.

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All flashlights are not created equal. I could send you one that the threads will probably strip if you tightened it too much by hand. Cheap and nasty.
The hellfighter is not what this post is about as you pointed out to another poster above “But this post is about the UM2 not the 6P”.
The hellfighter looks like a beast of a build by all accounts but it would need to be over engineered to withstand some of the uses it was designed for, tank mounting being one of them.

Was just speaking from experience with the brand, it seems like all their lights are built this well from what I hear.
I see no reason for the “head to fall off”
The UM2 is also built for similar military applications, it’s not a home use flashlight for the typical BLF member…
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How is that a 300$ light? i dont get it. .whats so special considering the price when u can get similar lights from olight or nitecore for half the price or less and get still good stuff ??

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Supposedly they are 100% made in the USA, not just assembled. That’s a little pricey to do . I do wonder who makes the drivers.

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Supposedly they are 100% made in the USA, not just assembled. That’s a little pricey to do . I do wonder who makes the drivers.

How about the components for the drivers? Are they made in USA also? Doubtful.

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jf_smm wrote:
Never liked their lights, the ones from the military anyway. We (Marines) are going to get, be and stay soaking wet for long periods. A light that has to be unscrewed to turn off isn’t going to stay waterproof and I always feel like the head will work its way off at some point. If I want it to be waterproof I have to remove the batteries and screw the light down tight. Then when I need a light I have to reassemble it while the bad guys patiently wait for me to shoot them…

I know why they did it but their idea of a feature seems like a flaw, there has to be a better way. Just my 2 or 3 cents.

Edit – I clarified this in a later post but somehow it’s been missed. I wrote “head” but meant tail cap. Hope that helps.
Side note, a friend who’s still in the military was trying to give these away last year – no takers. The unit was throwing them away because nobody used them. Waste of $$$

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DavidEF wrote:
bikenber73 wrote:
Supposedly they are 100% made in the USA, not just assembled. That’s a little pricey to do . I do wonder who makes the drivers.
How about the components for the drivers? Are they made in USA also? Doubtful.

Yea, some things are now impossible to source in the USA because we don’t make them.

I remember asking these guys (First Light) about which LED’s and components they use on Face Book and getting and some generic response about then being the “best” and that they use “ The most efficient LED’s that produce the most light”

These are “Built in the USA

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Unspecified LED, that’s not a serious vendor.
Nothing about color temp. or CRI either…

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Surefire disgusts me. They have so much bloomin’ potential, but literally the only thing they care to offer is durability – everything else is ridiculously overpriced garbage. It’s a scam almost as bad as the Shadowhawk bamboozle, except the SFs aren’t (necessarily) about to blow up at any second.

Not that I expect them to care, they’re far too happy gouging the US government to bother with smaller clienteles.

On that topic, has anyone ever seen a Shofaya being sold outside the US? Or users outside the US, for that matter? I know I never saw either, even amongst the snobbiest of torch snobs.

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RollerBoySE wrote:
Unspecified LED, that’s not a serious vendor. Nothing about color temp. or CRI either…

Any chance for a groupbuy Thumbs Up

I am also wondering what LED’s are in this light, is it a flooder or a thrower?
I never owned a reliable light, what makes these lights to be considered reliable?

I kind of like the modes 5-100-600,

don’t you need an SOS strobe in a military application?

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