Pit Bulls and kids!!! If you own either, please read.

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Pit Bulls and kids!!! If you own either, please read.

Pit Bulls, I know people will defend them until the end… but my 10yo daughter was bitten in the face yesterday by one she has played with and been friends with since it was 3 months old. Also in our little town of Homer a second kid was bitten and is now missing chunks of tissue thanks to another Pit Bull whom he was also friends with.

Sam got lucky, she sensed something was wrong and recoiled back and the dog only got her with a couple of teeth. I was able to restrain the dog, since I was right next to her, and convince it to not come back… She will have 2 scars on her face and had a large cut inside of her mouth. 1 tooth missed here eye by about 1 inch. Could have been much worse for her. Today her face is very sore and swollen and she is not talking so well… but in a couple of days all that will be left to remind her are the scars.

This was completely not an expected behavior by this dog… It was happy laying on it’s back, tongue out and she was rubbing it between the front legs… Then it just freaked out, jumped up and lunged for her face.

I am not much for government intervention, but I am not so sure that folks should be allowed to own this breed of dog!

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A pit bull and its irresponsible piece of please_swear owner killed my mom's German Shepherd.

https://www.terraforums.com/forums/general-discussions/123867-neighbors-pit-bull-attacked-dog.html

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When I was in a pet doctors waiting room I took out one of my 8 weeks old kittens

the dog came close slowly without any hints of agression with the line really tight hold by the owner

suddenly after a short sniff the dog tried to bite the kitten literally missed it by a centimeter or less

the dog totally freaked out and the owner had a serieous issue to control that 20-25kg dog

I got atm 7 weeks old kittens and one tried to get milk on my nipple in my bed of course no milk and then it bit me

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Very sorry to hear this Mattlward.
I wish your daughter a quick recovery, both physical and mental.
Having been bitten in the face myself by an otherwise friendly family dog,
I have tried to dispense the facts and statistics to folks about the dangers of pit bulls,
and am frequently met with defensiveness anger and disbelief. I been called “breedist”
more than any other word ending in “ist”.

Out of 340 recognized breeds of dog , two of them, Pit Bulls and Rottweilers
have been responsible for 76% of dog bite fatalities over the last 15 years, with Pit Bulls alone responsible for 65%.

A quote from http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php
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“Myth #1: It’s the owner not the breed

The outdated debate, “It’s the owner, not the breed,” has caused the pit bull problem to grow into a 30-year old problem. Designed to protect pit bull breeders and owners, the slogan ignores the genetic history of the breed and blames these horrific maulings — inflicted by the pit bull’s genetic “hold and shake” bite style — on environmental factors. While environment plays a role in a pit bull’s behavior, it is genetics that leaves pit bull victims with permanent and disfiguring injuries.

The pit bull’s genetic traits are not in dispute. Many appellate courts agree that pit bulls pose a significant danger to society and can be regulated accordingly. Some of the genetic traits courts have identified include: unpredictability of aggression, tenacity (“gameness” the refusal to give up a fight), high pain tolerance and the pit bull’s “hold and shake” bite style. According to forensic medical studies, similar injuries have only been found elsewhere on victims of shark attacks.”

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If it’s the owners, I’d be equally content with banning pit bull owners.

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Broward County Florida is a haven for dog-fighting. It’s rampant. I’m friends with an animal control officer and the stuff he tells me would make you want to shoot those people on sight. Dade county banned Pitbull onwnership over a decade ago. Not Broward.

I’m surprised Michael Vic has not relocated to Broward County Florida.

Broward County Florida has a history of covering up and protecting the dog fighting racket. Only one arrest I know of in 20 years was Derek McNair. Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.

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Sorry to hear about this. Im glad it wasn’t worse. I just had a close call with my 2 year old. He was giving our house cat a hug and the cat clawed his eyeball. The white of his eye was filled with blood for a few weeks. Luckily there was no permanent damage. I had to find a home for the cats where there are no kids around.

I hope your daughter heals quickly and isnt permanently afraid of dogs.

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My umm-friend had her lower face almost pulled off by a freakin’ beagle. Same dealy, scritch-scritch-scritch, “Bye-bye, I gotta go…” then wham!, the Jaws Of Death takes a bite, tastes blood, then takes another bite to try to finish the job. Bad scene.

Sorry, I love dogs, but if I see something like that, I’m going for the first heavy blunt object and making like the cur’s a baby seal.

And nope, even at the vet’s, I’ve seen dogs “sniff” other critters and then make a big gaping lunge for ‘em. No way I’d let one near one of my critters.

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i dont know why people keep pitbull as a pet, it is very agressive, a dangerous predator, blah blah
if i want a dog as a pet, i will go with more neutral dog, like Shiba Inu

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Hope your daughter recovers well from this Matt!

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Sorry to hear this. I hope she’ll recover very quickly.

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My late parents had dogs way before I was born, and I’m their only child that inherited that inclination.
So I have had dog’s since I got married, and the only logical ending to that situation would be the (future) question of getting a new one with a chance that it would survive me/us.

Over the years I have learned a few things.
There are breeds of dogs that make me cross the street when I’m walking my dog(s). Better safe than sorry.
There are dog-owners that make me cross the street when I’m walking my dog(s). No matter what breed they have.
I NEVER let children approach my dogs unles I have them (the dogs) on a leash I can control every last move they make.
And I always tell children that approach my dogs that before petting one of my cheerful looking dogs, they explicitely must ask permission to the owner (me and/or any other owner) AND their parents.
Because my smallest dog is not a happy puppy but a moody old lady from a different brand (miniature schnauzer).

Personally I don’t think that a “sane” dog will ever attack a child that still has the smell of afterbirth ( pardon my French).
But after a certain safety periode kids will come in the age that the order within the group is put on the agenda by the dog.
That’s the critical fase, because a dog is always on the lookout for two things: food and climbing (!) the social ladder.

Let me finish with the words I should have started with: hopefully things are returning to a normal state in your family.

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My Brother and his Wife are Veterinarians, and won’t allow anyone to bring their pitbull, rottweilers, or chows (and a few other breeds) into the clinic without a properly strapped on muzzle. I have taught my kids to never stick their face up to a dogs face, of any breed.

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The problem with “pitbulls” is that its a term that actually refers to a few different breeds of dog, and I can’t think of them all off the top of my head but some of them have been bred and bred and bred and inbred and inbred and inbred to the point that they are just not the same dogs as they were 20-30 years ago.

Now I will stand up for the english staffordshire terrier which in the UK has been called the Nanny dog because it is a breed that falls under the umbrella of pitbull but is an utterly fantastic breed of dog that is well known for being one of the best dogs you can have for kids.

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DBSS wrote:

The problem with "pitbulls" is that its a term that actually refers to a few different breeds of dog, and I can't think of them all off the top of my head but some of them have been bred and bred and bred and inbred and inbred and inbred to the point that they are just not the same dogs as they were 20-30 years ago. Now I will stand up for the english staffordshire terrier which in the UK has been called the Nanny dog because it is a breed that falls under the umbrella of pitbull but is an utterly fantastic breed of dog that is well known for being one of the best dogs you can have for kids.

I was under the impression that all pit bull breeds were bred and trained to kill other dogs.

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Thanks for raising awareness about PitBull dangers, may it contribute to the safety of other little girls, boys and elders, i hope your girl will not keep too much physical and pshychological scars.

The stats are clear, almost all dogs killing humans (and a ton of other dogs) are pit bulls, when you point this fact pit bull lover are prone to accuse you of hating this breed, but it has nothing to do with hate, this animal is not responsible for it’s genetics, carefully selected by men to favor the agression of the breed, if anything i pity the creature that is frustrated of it’s natural agression by the justified upbringing of most of his masters.

I understand that sometimes life puts a dog (that might be a pit) on your path and that you want to provide and care for him, but i cannot fathom people who deliberatly choose a pit bull over every dog breed especially if they have toddlers.

It may go beyond a personal choice, and be a public safety matter, who would want people be allowed to walk with their tiger or lion ?

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Terrible news mattlward, best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Huge debates with Staffordshire bull terriers (Staffies) in the UK. Several maulings leave a hugely divided public opinion. The defence is made easy the media always portray a chav with a staffie, rightly or wrongly, and so the owners are easy to blame. They certainly have bred traits that would mean I could never leave a child unattended with one.

I’m on the fence about Staffies, but I feel a need to defend the breed as I own a breed also tarnished with a poor reputation, a Doberman. I don’t know Staffies but I do know my Doberman, I take precautions but I’d trust him more than anyone else’s dog around any humans but even with the remotest possibility of aggression I still wouldn’t have him unattended around children.

The statistics don’t favour the pit bulls unfortunately, 1982-2006 dog attacks PDF

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Thanks for the insightful post Henk4U2

Henk4U2 wrote:
My late parents had dogs way before I was born, and I’m their only child that inherited that inclination.
So I have had dog’s since I got married, and the only logical ending to that situation would be the (future) question of getting a new one with a chance that it would survive me/us.

Over the years I have learned a few things.
There are breeds of dogs that make me cross the street when I’m walking my dog(s). Better safe than sorry.
There are dog-owners that make me cross the street when I’m walking my dog(s). No matter what breed they have.
I NEVER let children approach my dogs unles I have them (the dogs) on a leash I can control every last move they make.
And I always tell children that approach my dogs that before petting one of my cheerful looking dogs, they explicitely must ask permission to the owner (me and/or any other owner) AND their parents.
Because my smallest dog is not a happy puppy but a moody old lady from a different brand (miniature schnauzer).

Personally I don’t think that a “sane” dog will ever attack a child that still has the smell of afterbirth ( pardon my French).
But after a certain safety periode kids will come in the age that the order within the group is put on the agenda by the dog.
That’s the critical fase, because a dog is always on the lookout for two things: food and climbing (!) the social ladder.

Let me finish with the words I should have started with: hopefully things are returning to a normal state in your family.

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DBSS wrote:
The problem with “pitbulls” is that its a term that actually refers to a few different breeds of dog, and I can’t think of them all off the top of my head but some of them have been bred and bred and bred and inbred and inbred and inbred to the point that they are just not the same dogs as they were 20-30 years ago.

Now I will stand up for the english staffordshire terrier which in the UK has been called the Nanny dog because it is a breed that falls under the umbrella of pitbull but is an utterly fantastic breed of dog that is well known for being one of the best dogs you can have for kids.

They are the same dogs according AKC (which now calls them American Staffordshire Terriers) and Pitbull Rescue Central. People call them different names because they don’t want them associated with the name “Pitbull”. In the UK they call them Nanny Dogs, in the US they call them Guard Dogs.

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I have taught my kids to never stick their face up to a dogs face, of any breed.

correctamundo, for a human its a frendly intimate gesture, In doggie its a challange. why do you think friendly doggies start at the rear to say hi?

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a few years back one of my neighbors about lost an arm to a pitbull.
same scenario.suddenly turned on him.
i heard a bunch of commotion and by the time i got out there this guy had a sheet wound around his mangled arm.told me to go get my .44.
he shot it and left it for authorities to test for rabies.came back negative.
over $100k in medical expenses and he still does not have good use of that arm.

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Sorry to hear that, hope Sam can come to grip with the scars and be a better person for it.

My late son was bitten by my brother’s Blue Heeler when he was 4 1/2 yrs old. The dog put 42 stitches in my angelic childs face. The rip at his eye started a mere 1/8” from his tear ducts, the 1” slash in the corner of his mouth that literally cut clean through permantently changed his smile. Another situation where the child was playing with a dog he’d known his whole life and the dog suddenly snapped then ran. I was about 12’ away, astonished at the pool of blood that immediately showed on the driveway in the moonlight. The cut under his eye was in a “V” shape with the apex at his eye and the open V into his cheek. This wound was so gaping and traumatic that I didn’t even know about the slice to his mouth until the nurses took him away from my chest at the hospital.

This was a turning point in his life and probably crucial to his attitudes later in life. Ultimately, this boy killed a 14 yr old girl when he himself was 17 and then committed suicide in jail. I can see where the attitudes he developed from the dog bite as a small child got him to that point.

My own first born has been gone 12 years, he’d be 30 if he were still with us. All I can say is nurture and protect, but be careful not to overdo the nurtue part of that. The development stage of a child will/can reflect excessive nurturing and warp a child, too much of a good thing and all that.

Hoping the pit bull in question was introduced to a copper jacketed lead diet… I came so very close to introducing my brother to this diet along with his crazy dog that he refused to build a fence for. He liked to say “dogs in the country are supposed to run free…”

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A quote from http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php (link is external) (I highly recommend you read here for rebuttals to the common defenses for Pit Bulls).

Colleen Lynn is someone with an ax to grind. She is not an expert and the claims on her webpage are not in agreement with the views of any major professional dog breeder, animal, veterinary or health organization. She has also been shown to misrepresent or outright fabricate data on her site.

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I am not a pitbull expert but I have studied the evolution and domestication of dogs. One of the first things humans did was breed out the unpredictable and aggressive traits out of dogs in order that they could be safely kept around children and people in general. The intentional breeding of aggression into a dog breed like what has been done with certain breeds was done to obtain a dog for a certain task, these breeds were designed to be fighting dogs for sport or guard dogs or whatever but they were never breed to be family pets and left unsupervised around children.

When I hear of a pit bull attacking a child, I’m saddened but not surprised. It’s the only breed of dog that I have seen go after and attack children as if they were prey. My nephew was chased repeatedly as a child by a pitbull that often got off its chain in the neighborhood. That same dog bit several kids and often chased children. It didn’t seem to show aggressive behavior towards adults but something about children set it off into predator mode. Very scary.

Long story short, my brother took matters into his own hands after attempts at having the authorities control the dog and owner failed. He didn’t like having a dangerous animal terrorizing his kids and other children in the area. He shot it and was prosecuted for it. He didn’t try to hide what he did and he waited for the police after he did it to tell them why. This was in California and they charged him with a felony. I’m not condoning his actions because shooting someone’s dog is one of the lowest things a person can do in my book. I love dogs but I love dogs for what they are meant to be, loyal, gentle, pets and friends. When a dog becomes a predator and starts attacking children, I’m not sure I can view it as I view other dogs. Still, probably not his place to shoot someone’s dog but he felt it was danger to his small son and probably didn’t want to risk what was inevitably going to happen to someone.

He told me he had no doubt that, that particular dog was going to seriously injure or kill someone. There were lots of other dogs in his neighborhood but only that one acted that way. There were even other pit bulls in the area that were very docile and gentle. It just seems like pit bulls are gentle and sweet right up to that point where they aren’t.

With all the other breeds of dogs out there, I don’t know why people insist on that particular one to keep as a pet. I know they can be great pets and are most of the time but there is something bred into them that shouldn’t be there. All dogs can be dangerous, they are animals after all but we as humans have spent thousands of years trying to breed dogs to be our friends and trusted companions, why undo all that just to have a dog that makes you look like a gangster or badass or whatever the idea is behind them?

The sad thing is, when I would go walking my Springer Spainel or Britany Spainel, I would always tense up when I passed a pit bull. I always also had my hand in my pocket on my S&W snub nose revolver just in case. I have had a pit bull owner threaten that his dog would eat my dog. I told him, if that happens, his dog dies first then he goes to jail.

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Colleen Lynn is someone with an ax to grind. She is not an expert and the claims on her webpage are not in agreement with the views of any major professional dog breeder, animal, veterinary or health organization.

I’d have an axe to grind too, if I was brutally attacked by a Pitbull like she was. The Veterinarians I’ve talked to, including my Brother, seem to agree with her, and the dog bite statistics are indisputable as they are put out by law enforcement, not her.

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Also, my friend is a city cop and has had to pepper spray and shoot several pit bulls in his duties. He is probably the biggest dog lover you will ever meet but that doesn’t mean he won’t shoot a pit bull that attacks someone. His girlfriend was attacked by a pit bull while doing her job which is animal care and control for the same city.

There is evidence that pit bulls are a particularly dangerous breed or at least can be under the wrong circumstances. They enough of a reputation that they are treated differently and will be shot if they appear threatening. That fact alone dissuades me from ever owning one. I don’t want my dog taken away and destroyed or shot. For that reason, I would never own one.

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Speedsix, your brother should have never been the one that had to deal with that. Any dog that bites a child should be put down, period. You stated that this dog in particular had bitten several children and chased them regularly. Grounds for the police to take action after that first bite, why in the world did they not do this? I agree with your brother that something had to be done. If the dog is loose and on his property I fully support his shooting of the animal. My own Yellow Lab gets out all too often and while I seriously doubt he’d bite anyone I fear he’ll get shot being on someone else’s property. My ex-cop neighbor will do that, quickly, as he does not like dogs and especially on-the-loose dogs.

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I’d have an axe to grind too, if I was brutally attacked by a Pitbull like she was.

It’s always a shame when people are unable to get past their personal emotional responses to an event.

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The Veterinarians I’ve talked to, including my Brother, seem to agree with her,

And the few I know are staunchly opposed to breed specific laws. Either of our anecdotal stories aren’t of much value.

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and the dog bite statistics are indisputable as they are put out by law enforcement, not her.

That is verifiably untrue. Her numbers come from searching news reports she finds online. If you go to her ‘statistics’ page she states as much in the first line.

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You are allowed to carry weapons there in the USA.
Shoot the fng dog before this happens again, and the owners walking such breeds of dogs without muzzle must be in jail.

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Thanks all, Sam will be fine aside from a couple of small scars and I hope a dislike for Pit Bulls. The other boy that was bitten may not be so fortunate as he is missing golf ball size chunks. Sam just recounts scars affectionately when she tells the story of where they came from, but I do not think these will be viewed the same way. She is a very trusting child that just grew up a bit, I am glad I was with her.

Our family has always had dogs from Shepards to Newfs. We currently have a newf / flat coat retriever mix and we have found that newfs are just the most trustable dog out there. I think we will always have a newf or newf mix in our lives.

I will be working through channels to see that our little town does something about Pit Bulls, it is to bad as they are attractive dogs and what they do is not their fault, it is breeding and many times the owners that contribute to this problem.

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Matt, the breed exists for a reason, as working dogs many of the traits exhibited are necessary for the job they were bred to do. The problem arises when a dog owner fails to take the breeds “portfolio” into account and gets the wrong breed for their purpose.

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