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Yep, although the rules of BLF are fairly easy to follow, they're even easier to break.

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It’s actually quite a tough choice.

It will look draconian if we never retire companies from the list after long period.
Yet, it will look too lenient if we do retire someone from the list after certian periods.

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It’s actually quite a tough choice.

It will look draconian if we never retire companies from the list after long period.
Yet, it will look too lenient if we do retire someone from the list after certian periods.

I’m definitely open to removing companies from this list after they establish a track record of honest business with us. Thus far, I’ve had a grand total of zero requests to do so, which I guess proves the point that companies stoop to this level when they simply don’t care anymore.

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Are they even aware of being enlisted?
Some learned to be good members eventually (Vapcell is on my mind) and I would be surprised if they didn’t care.

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Are they even aware of being enlisted?
Some learned to be good members eventually (Vapcell is on my mind) and I would be surprised if they didn’t care.

Vapcell is the only one that seems to have turned things around. I still think they deserve to wait a year to be removed, which hasn’t passed yet.

Wurrkos recently spammed the crap out of people via PM, requesting reviews of a dive light. The terms involved getting refunded after the review was posted. I didn’t do it, though I did see the light in question also show up in the WTS forum shortly after…

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Scallywag wrote:
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Are they even aware of being enlisted?
Some learned to be good members eventually (Vapcell is on my mind) and I would be surprised if they didn’t care.

Vapcell is the only one that seems to have turned things around. I still think they deserve to wait a year to be removed, which hasn’t passed yet.

Wurrkos recently spammed the crap out of people via PM, requesting reviews of a dive light. The terms involved getting refunded after the review was posted. I didn’t do it, though I did see the light in question also show up in the WTS forum shortly after…


It’s that “ after review is posted “ that implies only 5 star need apply.
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I constantly receive emails from new unknown flashlights brands to review their products (not specifically in BLF). Weird thing is I’m not even an active reviewer anymore and my last flashlight reviews was very long time ago.

And even weirder is that they have my personal email address from which I have never contacted them before. I assume there is a pretty extensive “reviewers contact list” that’s being passed around between manufacturers. Just imagine the amount of people out there receiving free lights and posting false 5 star reviews everywhere.

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I assume there is a pretty extensive “reviewers contact list” that’s being passed around between manufacturers. Just imagine the amount of people out there receiving free lights and posting false 5 star reviews everywhere.

I never read 5 star reviews, or the 1 stars either. I go straight to the 4 stars and 3 stars; they seem to have the most honest content.

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Seeing the latest entry I felt disappointed. Not with the site which I know does many regrettable things but with our admin (who I still respect highly).

I reject the notion of “stolen affiliate codes/coupons”. They are copied, not stolen. In a system that purposefully allows that.

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Seeing the latest entry I felt disappointed. Not with the site which I know does many regrettable things but with our admin (who I still respect highly).

I reject the notion of “stolen affiliate codes/coupons”. They are copied, not stolen. In a system that purposefully allows that.

Fair point, changed it to: “affiliate codes/coupons copied from other users.”

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Imalent Persistent disregard for simple BLF Rules for Commercial Sellers despite multiple warnings.
The manufacturer?

Yep, at least someone associated with their email account @imalent.com

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I disagree. This is not how it works. 

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...In a system that purposefully allows that.

If you are here long enough, you would notice that I (or even Max) do not publish all our exclusive codes publicly (searchable from the net). I have been providing countless hours of free consultation for vendors for years for improving products, in exchange to secure better deals for my readers. These despicable people simply take advantage of us by pretending as potential buyers. If you guys support my work, please do not visit their site. 

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freeme wrote:

I disagree. This is not how it works. 


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…In a system that purposefully allows that.

If you are here long enough, you would notice that I (or even Max) do not publish all our exclusive codes publicly (searchable from the net). I have been providing countless hours of free consultation for vendors for years for improving products, in exchange to secure better deals for my readers. These despicable people simply take advantage of us by pretending as potential buyers. If you guys support my work, please do not visit their site. 


I recognize that you do a lot of work. And I value this work highly.
I don’t want to encourage people to use coupons copied from you.

But all of the few shops that I know to rely on affiliate marketers like you permit such code copying. To be honest I don’t know why but they do. And I can’t think of any reason other than that they think it’s beneficial for them. In this light I can’t agree with the notion of “stealing” codes. They are just copied.
And BTW I find it interesting how the written rules differ so much from unwritten ones. And how it creates a lot of friction in the community.

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I still remember a special BLF exclusive discount at Banggood a couple of years ago…
(Martin / M4DM4X arranged it at the time, it used to be HERE )
people did the exact same thing right then, they used all of the available codes, copied them, made them public on the internet, bought expensive lights as where BG ended up to deny those codes within no-time, so the BLF users were not able to use the code

In Dutch we have a saying that goes like: A donkey usually does not hurt himself to the same stone twice

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hIKARInoob wrote:
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A good example I think is Sofirn. I’m not against Sofirn, but it was very noticeable the last couple of days that there are a lot of (objective) reviews of Sofirn lights. Obviously, this will increase brand exposure thus sales; hence this can be seen as a form of advertising. And this seems to be a legit construction to advertise outside the commercial section. I think this is what jon_slider is referring to. This is just an observation from my side.

I pretty much done with Sofirnlight.com I placed 3 orders from them , the first one had the wrong tracking number and was for a different customers living in a different state.

Another order has a tracking number indicating it is in China waiting to ship for the last 4 weeks. Lan Lee says it is on a plane near my house .

I placed another order recently which I now have asked to cancel

I don’t believe low prices should be an excuse for poor business practices.

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And BTW I find it interesting how the written rules differ so much from unwritten ones.

Sorry, I didn’t get this. What written rules are you referring to?

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sb56637 wrote:
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And BTW I find it interesting how the written rules differ so much from unwritten ones.

Sorry, I didn’t get this. What written rules are you referring to?

That copying codes is bad.
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If it works it aint stupid

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I was wondering if Imalent.com would ever get in trouble...

Now I know!

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Yeah, frankly they’ve been out of line for quite a while now, looks like they got somebody new working for them since about the last half of 2019 that shows no regard whatsoever. I just never noticed it until recently. I encourage BLF members to mark improperly placed commercial posts as spam, and PM me to report repeat offenders.

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Can someone please explain the intricacies of the byzantine world of Deals/Codes/Affiliate links/how to/what to not do, for complete neonatal newbs who have zero clue as to what these things are and who have zero clue as to what this terminology means, in an extremely super basic, introductory way?

I keep up with recent advances in neuroscience, but I would not know an affiliate link if a ton of them landed on my ventromedial geniculate body in such a way as to cause my rubrospinal thalamic tract to get out of whack, or my interpeduncular nucleus to become loose, thus causing massive endogenous  dihydroxyphenolmethylaminoethanol release.

 

Btw, everytime Imalent posts advert content in Discussion forums, it reminds me to brush my teeth.

 

BBtw, it is nice to see the little green dot on sb's post! Smile

 

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Can someone please explain the intricacies of the byzantine world of Deals/Codes/Affiliate links/how to/what to not do, for complete neonatal newbs who have zero clue as to what these things are and who have zero clue as to what this terminology means, in an extremely super basic, introductory way?


Sure: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/53225
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BBtw, it is nice to see the little green dot on sb‘s post! Smile


 

Thanks! Good to have you here as well!

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mankerlight.com

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What is wrong with Manker ?
I did not know it was bad, I picked a light from the Old Lumens contest from Manker. Please let me know what is wrong.
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mankerlight.com
. What is wrong with Manker ? I did not know it was bad, I picked a light from the Old Lumens contest from Manker. Please let me know what is wrong. Thanks Beer

Thanks for noticing that. It’s been several years, and it looks like they haven’t had any rules violations recently. I just took them off the list.

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mankerlight.com
. What is wrong with Manker ? I did not know it was bad, I picked a light from the Old Lumens contest from Manker. Please let me know what is wrong. Thanks Beer

Thanks for noticing that. It’s been several years, and it looks like they haven’t had any rules violations recently. I just took them off the list.


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You guys have the experience here, I’m just a greenhorn. I did not mean to stir the pot. Wink
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Thank you SB for the information and the friendly greeting!

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You guys have the experience here, I'm just a greenhorn. I did not mean to stir the pot. Wink .
Toss some habaneros and tofu and oatmeal in the pot and we got a deal!

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Would it be appropriate to list companies who recently started selling UV-C flashlights marketed to look like they’re killing viruses? Those are highly unlikely to help anyone, and can instead be pretty dangerous. It seems like a pretty shameful business practice to prey on fear to sell things which are likely to hurt people.

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Would it be appropriate to list companies who recently started selling UV-C flashlights marketed to look like they’re killing viruses? Those are highly unlikely to help anyone, and can instead be pretty dangerous. It seems like a pretty shameful business practice to prey on fear to sell things which are likely to hurt people.

Sure, go ahead. Thanks for asking.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
Would it be appropriate to list companies who recently started selling UV-C flashlights marketed to look like they’re killing viruses? Those are highly unlikely to help anyone, and can instead be pretty dangerous. It seems like a pretty shameful business practice to prey on fear to sell things which are likely to hurt people.

I’d actually be extremely curious to see if they’re actually UV-C. The last time I researched it, there was only some very expensive medical-field stuff for UV-C LED.
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Scallywag wrote:
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Would it be appropriate to list companies who recently started selling UV-C flashlights marketed to look like they’re killing viruses? Those are highly unlikely to help anyone, and can instead be pretty dangerous. It seems like a pretty shameful business practice to prey on fear to sell things which are likely to hurt people.
I’d actually be extremely curious to see if they’re actually UV-C. The last time I researched it, there was only some very expensive medical-field stuff for UV-C LED.

UVC LEDs in disinfection cases pretty much are sold in any Chinese shop, most use like 2-8× 2mW LEDs
More expensive ones like Xiaomi operate only when the case is closed and can be considered safe

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