[Fun Review] Brandless zoomie flashlight I found in my dad's car

So, this is a fun review I’m making because I found out my grey S2+ was not the first 18650 powered flashlight to enter my household. Messing around in my dad’s car I found this gem in the glove compartment:

  • The Flashlight + EDIT

This beautiful zoom flashlight with a supposedly Cree XML2 U2 emitter (as per writing on the MCPCB) with a cool tint.

Plus, now I have found the box!

  • Acessories + EDIT

I thought it came with only a single cell charger and a plug for the car cigarette lighter, no wall plug option, but upon finding the box I found the missing wall charger and AAA caroussel

  • Interface

The interface is a simple 5-moder.
High (slightly higher low) > Medium (low) > Low (slightly lower low) > Strobe > SOS with mode memory.

  • Size

It is about the size of a C8, but it’s much, MUCH heavier, mainly because the bulk in the sliding head, which has about 5 to 7 mm thick walls.

  • Specs + EDIT

As you can see, this a 38000 Watt, 108000 Lumen flashlight according to the manufacturer print. 8000 Lumen according to the box. Who’s lying? Who’s saying the truth? They might have put it in another’s product box, as you can see in the picture in the lid, so that is what may be causing the discrepany. Anyway, I don’t have an integrating sphere or anything, but I think the engraving on the flashlight might be a long shot. I’d say a factor of a 1000

It comes with a button top, unprotected NK 18650 battery rated at 4200mAh. Unfortunately the manufacturer did not print the discharge rate of the cell in the wrapping. Or accurate capacity. Guess we’ll have to wait on HKJ for that one.

  • Disassembly

Here are the guts of this flashlight. There is a battery sleeve to prevent rattling of the 18650, so it may well be possible to fit a 20700 in there. The solid metal head gives it a nice, comfortable, somewhat forward leaning balance, perfect for illuminating small animals. And then bludgeoning them. There is a DIY style lanyard, a reverse clicky switch and transparent plastic insulating disc over the MCPCB for it not to short with the retaining ring.

Speaking of retaining rings, the one for the tail switch and for the MCPCB have non diametrically opposed holes. There might be a reason for this. There might be not.

The pocket clip of the appropriate size might have been suffering from high demand, as they included a not so well fitting one in the package.

You might also have noticed the absence of spare O-rings. Or O-rings at all. Except for the ones making contact between the pill and the sliding head.

  • Pill, driver and emitter

The pill is a big, shelf-less tube of aluminium, but it could be much thinner and shorter, as the driver drives very little current to the emitter, as far as I can tell. The flashlight never gets warm, but that might be because the MCPCB only barely sits on the recessed grove, or it might be because of the high mass of the head takes a lot of time to heat up. Who knows.

  • Beam-shots

To compare the beams I used the glove box flashlight on high and zoomed, vs the Convoy C8 with a Nichia 219C 5000k… on low.

In fact, shinning it on my eye was barely a strain (don’t do this at home, please)

  • Final considerations + EDIT
  • This flashlight may be well under-driven, but with a decent emitter and a tad more current, it could actually do some good flashlighting.
  • This flashlight is very heavy. This emitter/driver would have no trouble in a plastic host half the size and 1/8 of the weight (or whatever density of aluminium/density of plastic proportion actually is). This is the worst major drawback.
  • The heavy and thick head may protect the flashlight from any internal damage if dropped, but if it wasn’t so ill balanced, dropping it wouldn’t be nearly as likely.
  • The second worst feature is mode spacing. High to Low are so close together this might as well be a single mode light.
  • Knowing what prices are practiced on hardware stores around here, I bet this flashlight cost a lot more than any of my Convoys stock. But this flashlight is at least 4 years old according to my father, so it might have been a lot closer to the top of the market back then. Still would’ve been way overpriced.
  • As an emergency flashlight stored in a car, I’d rather have no memory, as you can easily strobe yourself blind. I doubt SOS would be useful around these parts too, who would ever know/recall morse?
  • It’s too heavy to be a quick draw, so strobe is also kinda useless. I might as well replace strobe/sos with a beacon mode.
  • Zoomed it seems like a good thrower at close range, but even my S2+ out-throws it in real world test
  • The info car under the lid is surprisingly more honest
  • Except for being waterproof with no o-ring protecting the tailcap

That’s it. I hope you like this review, and if you do, please hit thumbs up and subscribe. Thanks.

Nice review. I love tearing apart cheap electronics stuff and gawking at how un-engineered they are. :wink:

108,000 lumens though!

38000 Watt, 108000 Lumen! ...

I think the lumens per watt ratio is slightly off. Could be wrong though.

38,000 watts!

How long does it take to achieve nuclear fusion after you press the button? :disappointed:

That comment made me laugh out loud, a lot, in a quiet room full of people

Still waiting, but this might be accessible only via hidden turbo

It is a typical Brazilian Lanterna Tatica

This other one has 710Klumen and 260KW

Hmm, lets go through the calculations…

The heat capacity of aluminum is 0.9 J/gm K, and let’s assume our flashlight is 120 grams.

After roughly 2.033 seconds, our flashlight will reach 660 C, the melting point of aluminum.

Letsee.

  • Battery capacity: 4,200 mAh
  • Watts: 38,000
  • Forward voltage: figure 3.3 volts.
  • Current needed to power the light = 38,000 / 3.3 = 11,515 amps
  • Runtime with 4200 mAh battery from full to empty at 11,515 amp draw - (4.2/11,515)(60 minutes)(60 seconds) = 1.31 seconds!!!

So…. it should be very bright for a VERY short amount of time! :smiling_imp:

Doesn’t look like it will melt though. The battery doesn’t hold enough amps to reach the critical 2 second threshold per Throwton’s previous post. Need replace that crappy 4,200mAh cell with a 10,000 mAh one.

Oh, wait, the bond wires……. I’d give them a couple microseconds. :smiley:

The sad thing is so many people buy this rubbish as they don’t know any better.

To be honest, after messing around a bit more I found the beam with the retracted head (not zoomed) is actually fairly bright and very useful. It was weird at first to have a uniform flood, but after building my S2+ triple I’m finding it less and less strange. The 2 main problems that actually make the flashlight bad are that from high to low the intensity is not that different, so it might as well be single mode, and the price these flashlights go for being marketed for people who don’t know better. If the driver was a simple 3 mode (l>m>h with actual difference between them) with no memory then it would only be an overpriced flashlight.

it;s heavy because including unnecessary metal is cheaper than machining it off…
(or making fancier molds in the first place)
(same principle as bike frames and helmets, the reason that cheap ones are stronger than expensive ones :slight_smile: )

the anti-rattle 18650 cover means it is built to hold one of those 3xAAA holders too… another mark of quality/not!..

a crappy battery like this in a 0-200 degreeF car is just asking for trouble, or at least rapid cell capacity loss

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Yeah, I’d be worried about that fake battery in it. Trying to charge it in your car, after it’s been through years of hot/cold extremes?

Good, good, Perse, just like Lionheart now I have a few folks looking funny at me and my giggles :smiley: I love when someone takes the piss by speaking of the absurd topic with a perfectly straight face and earnest tone! :+1:

So, since some of our lads are crunching numbers, how long from ON would it take for the battery to reach thermal runaway and consequently go fire in the hole? Is it enough to throw the light as a grenade and, you know, TORCH something? :smiling_imp:

OMG the comments about the specs that light has printed on the side have me ROTFL.

Tho thinking about it more, we don’t have an LED yet that would survive to melt the aluminum. Need to rework the math again. Lol

Nice work on the review. Interesting to see a zoomie with some extra mass.

indeed a funny review! :smiley:

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new development on this flashlight, I’ve found the box!

It came with accessories after all, a wall plug for the charger and a 3xAAA caroussel

And a surprizingly more down to earth info card inside the lid