Has anyone opened a Zanflare F1? [OPENED - Pictures]

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Has anyone opened a Zanflare F1? [OPENED - Pictures]

Hi people!
My question is, perhaps, for the owners of a Zanflare F1. Has anyone opened it? If so, can you tell me how?

Yesterday I accidentally dropped my F1 in a pool (about 1-1,5m inside water) and just took some seconds to get it back. Everything was tight, tailcap, the usb port protector ring… However, some water infiltrated the light. The driver had some issues but is now working fine.
The battery was a bit wet too.

But the thing that annoys me is this:

I tried to open it to remove the water but so far I didn’t managed to do that. Does anyone have a trick to open it (or any other glued head)?
I don’t know, but will it be supposed to “use the Force” to open it?

Thanks in advance! Thumbs Up

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Unscrew the USB port and the back cover. Put a gel pack against moisture or throw to rice for a few days.

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Thanks for the tip! It’s a bit hard to unscrew the parts, but I’ll keep on trying!
Or throw it to rice, if I don’t manage to get it out. The parts are really tight…
Thank you Wink

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The torch is glued;
I had Zanflare F1, I also wanted to undress it when I was doing a review http://www.torch.pl/forum/index.php?topic=62645.0

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Eventually I’ll try the rice… I can’t move a bit of it!
Thanks again for the tip Thumbs Up

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Whoa… wait a sec.

The usb charging port is so wonderfully protected against water/dust ingress because of that nice O-ringed threaded sleeve that covers it, and just a few seconds dunked in water lets water in through the front lens?!?

Good thing I didn’t do any dunk-tests… Wouldda ruined my light!

 

That’s a real kick in the nuts… neither the F1 nor VG10/VG10S have any front-lens protection??

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Yup, that’s really it! A few seconds and the water infiltrated !
As far as I can tell, there is no O-ring to seal it, and also I guess there is nothing in the base of the head (lets call it this way) to prevent water from entering! (see stephek x-ray: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55281)
I don’t know about the Thorfires, but this one…I guess it doesn’t have…
And as it is so well glued, I can’t dismantle it without damaging the host.

The modes were not working well, it jumped from ML to Turbo and them it wasn’t possible to switch it OFF. I used a hairdryer to…dry it and it worked. But the water inside the head just doesn’t disappear! I left the flashlight in the sun for hours this afternoon (without battery) but it only created vapor and condensation…

BTW, yesterday night I sent a PM to Zanflare, and so far I got no answer. (But I’ll wait, it is Sunday, after all…)

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That’s just terrible! This is a VERY serious Zenflare’s engineers mistake.
Incredible!

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MascaratumB wrote:
Yup, that’s really it! A few seconds and the water infiltrated !

As far as I can tell, there is no O-ring to seal it, and also I guess there is nothing in the base of the head (lets call it this way) to prevent water from entering! (see stephek x-ray: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55281)

I don’t know about the Thorfires, but this one…I guess it doesn’t have…

And as it is so well glued, I can’t dismantle it without damaging the host.

That’s the biggest kick in the nuts, that with all the other details and attention to detail (I positively raved about that!), you’d think it’s all done to death, everything dotted and crossed, etc., only to find out that the biggest and most obvious opening is completely unprotected!

I’m hoping yours is just an exception. I don’t even want to try dunking mine in DW (0 residue), but now I’m paranoid to even pocket it if it might be raining out.

Biggest irony, my cheap-ass EDC ’502B I KNOW is fully protected and water-tight, because I put it together myself.

I found out about the VG10/VG10S because the front bezel isn’t glued (front glass just drops into it), and I could order O-rings to fit and make it water-tight. The second kick in the nuts is that I can’t do that to the F1 because it’s glued shut! Aaaauugh!

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Sorry to hear yours took on water. I tested mine for 30 minutes in over 4 feet of water and found zero leaks. Mine had all the O-rings and all were lubed up before the test.

I had to apply some heat to the head to get the glue to budge for me. If you try this, you don’t want to use too much heat as the plastic spacer inside will melt/warp easily.

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I’m beginning to wonder if Zanflare has a QC issue. I ordered an F2 when they were on sale at Gearbest, then ordered an F2, F2s, and F1 when they were on sale at Amazon about a month later. I received the Gearbest F2 after I placed the Amazon order, and while that F2 works the anodizing is soft and can be scratched off with my thumbnail in places. The Amazon order looks like it’s higher quality, and the F1 looks like it has an O ring outside the glass lens. However, the “low battery” red led comes on very early in one of the AA lights. I don’t recall if it’s the F2 or F2s from Amazon, but I get a low battery red on almost fully charged NIMH batteries that get a blue OK in the other lights.

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Silent_Star wrote:
That’s just terrible! This is a VERY serious Zenflare’s engineers mistake. Incredible!

Yup, it may be! Otherwise, mine could have some problem in water sealing and that’s it! Now I just want to remove the water from it…

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That’s the biggest kick in the nuts, that with all the other details and attention to detail (I positively raved about that!), you’d think it’s all done to death, everything dotted and crossed, etc., only to find out that the biggest and most obvious opening is completely unprotected! I’m hoping yours is just an exception. I don’t even want to try dunking mine in DW (0 residue), but now I’m paranoid to even pocket it if it might be raining out. Biggest irony, my cheap-ass EDC ’502B I KNOW is fully protected and water-tight, because I put it together myself. I found out about the VG10/VG10S because the front bezel isn’t glued (front glass just drops into it), and I could order O-rings to fit and make it water-tight. The second kick in the nuts is that I can’t do that to the F1 because it’s glued shut! Aaaauugh!

Honestly, and despite all, I also hope that mine is just a case and an exception. Otherwise, the production may have inconvenient flaws.
I would never use this or any other light to dive or swim…because I don’t do that.
But the possibility of something like what happened yesterday, for any of us, is real, and therefore we must be aware and confident about the light we have!
And yeah, the “second kick”… It is so good to have such a good light on the hands on the one side, but when things like this happen, it’s not that good!
BTW, I guess that using it in a rainy day won’t bring you problem, but I can’t guarantee about submersion…

WillyD wrote:
Sorry to hear yours took on water. I tested mine for 30 minutes in over 4 feet of water and found zero leaks. Mine had all the O-rings and all were lubed up before the test. I had to apply some heat to the head to get the glue to budge for me. If you try this, you don’t want to use too much heat as the plastic spacer inside will melt/warp easily.

Thanks!! Yeah, probably mine was “defective” on that. I saw reviews of people taking into water and whatever else, and it was top!
I can’t exactly say if there is an o-ring in the front. If it is, it is sealing well the lens preventing the water to get out Facepalm
I’ll try to heat that and take the head out, and dry it properly, but I’m not being able to open it…
I’m even afraid of using the USB charger having water inside of the light… Crying
Right now the host has rice inside…Tomorrow I’ll put it in a bowl with rice outside. Sushi

jch10400 wrote:
I’m beginning to wonder if Zanflare has a QC issue. I ordered an F2 when they were on sale at Gearbest, then ordered an F2, F2s, and F1 when they were on sale at Amazon about a month later. I received the Gearbest F2 after I placed the Amazon order, and while that F2 works the anodizing is soft and can be scratched off with my thumbnail in places. The Amazon order looks like it’s higher quality, and the F1 looks like it has an O ring outside the glass lens. However, the “low battery” red led comes on very early in one of the AA lights. I don’t recall if it’s the F2 or F2s from Amazon, but I get a low battery red on almost fully charged NIMH batteries that get a blue OK in the other lights.

Hum, until yesterday I had no issue with this light quality, in functioning of in its components! I don’t have any other complain. But I do believe that some batchs may have some quality issues.
Maybe that issue of charging has something to do with the charger specs! I just know my charges till 4.18V.

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Rice is actually not very good at pulling moisture out. How many times have you been going to make rice only to find that it had absorbed the humidity in the air and was mushy?

What works well is getting a container of damprid (you can often find offbrand generics at dollar stores) and putting the flashlight along with the damprid in a sealed container. A day or two and its dry as can be. I’ve been using the same one for nearly 2 years and rescued 4-5 lights and 1 phone with it.

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MascaratumB wrote:
Hi people! My question is, perhaps, for the owners of a Zanflare F1. Has anyone opened it? If so, can you tell me how?

Hi, I am sorry, the item F1’s head is sealed by glue, so it can not be opened, actually.
If your Flashlight has any problems, please send it back to Gearbest after-sales service center.
The Operation team will check the Flash light and fix the problem for dear customers.
Hope you can understand,
Best Regards,
Gearbest team

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gearbest wrote:
Hi, I am sorry, the item F1’s head is sealed by glue, so it can not be opened, actually.

If your Flashlight has any problems, please send it back to Gearbest after-sales service center.

While I understand wanting to seal a light to prevent tampering and such, I’d strongly suggest not gluing lights shut like that. Problems like this, both drying out the light and adding an O-ring, are simple and wouldn’t require sending back a light at all.

As with wax seals guaranteeing the authenticity of sealed documents, the smallest dab of glue could be used on a driver and emitter to make sure there was no tampering. And even if someone wants to modify the light, “breaking the seal” would nicely void any warranty due to the tampering.

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Lightbringer wrote:
While I understand wanting to seal a light to prevent tampering and such, I’d strongly suggest not gluing lights shut like that. Problems like this, both drying out the light and adding an O-ring, are simple and wouldn’t require sending back a light at all. As with wax seals guaranteeing the authenticity of sealed documents, the smallest dab of glue could be used on a driver and emitter to make sure there was no tampering. And even if someone wants to modify the light, “breaking the seal” would nicely void any warranty due to the tampering.

Thank you for your better understanding.
We keep your kind tips into mind, as we all know, customers voice is the best policy for innovation and creation.
If there is any technical updated info, we would like to share with you here as soon as possible.
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@ Gearbest
Thanks for the answer and for stepping in for the help! I sent PM, and as I said there, sending the light back to the services would cost maybe as much as a new light (in sale, at least).

@ Zanflare
Thanks for the answer! I sent PM and I’m now following some suggestions given here.

@ srs2000
Hum, gotta take a look at those damprid. I’m not sure if rice is working! When you mention a sealed container it can be, i.e., a plastic box like a tupperware or something like that?
Thanks for the tip!

@ Lightbringer
I agree with you about the glue! If it gives some confidence to the customer, it may be a terrible situation when things like these happen…

I’ll try to solve it and if/when I do I’ll let you know what was the best or working option!
Thanks for the help!!

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I’m using a cereal Tupperware container just because it’s what fits. If you don’t keep it sealed up it will just pull the humidity from the air, which is its intended use.

You can get Damprid at grocery stores and hardware stores. Off-brand is a little harder to get. “moisture eliminator” was what I got at dollar tree or dollar general.

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srs2000 wrote:
I’m using a cereal Tupperware container just because it’s what fits. If you don’t keep it sealed up it will just pull the humidity from the air, which is its intended use.

You can get Damprid at grocery stores and hardware stores. Off-brand is a little harder to get. “moisture eliminator” was what I got at dollar tree or dollar general.

Gonna search for it! The hairdryer and the sun are “working” for this… Maybe that will help!
Thanks again for the tip and for clarifying it Thumbs Up

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Well, we have to joke with life all the time, so this is my time now!
Have you ever heard about about the remake of Metallica’s album “Ride The Lightning”?

If not, here it its, the newest version :

Rice the Light(ning)Big Smile Party \m/

Yeah, I now this probably won’t work, but I couldn’t find damprid today, so I’ll go for it tomorrow.
Meanwhile, I’ll leave the F1 tasting a bit of rice ! In a more advanced state of mind, this light will be eating: Sushi
Ehehe!

BTW: I’ve been in contact with Zanflare and Gearbest and they have been supportive on this situation, and we are working in a possible situation if these methods (sun, rice, damprid, hairdrier, vaccum cleaner, whatever else…) don’t work! Thanks in advance!

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MascaratumB wrote:
@ Gearbest
Thanks for the answer and for stepping in for the help! I sent PM, and as I said there, sending the light back to the services would cost maybe as much as a new light (in sale, at least).

I agree with you: sending the light back to the services would cost maybe as much as a new light.
If 2 or 3 days the humidity and water don’t disappear as expected, please get back to us and find a solution.
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The rice will work. You might have to wait for a week or two for all the moisture to be absorbed. Close the container and don’t open for two weeks, it should be dry by then. Every time you open the container you let damp air in and it will take a lot longer to work.

Bought a couple of the F1’s myself and one doesn’t work, flickers or doesn’t come on at all and side switch will not change modes when it does come on.

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So, after putting the F1 in rice for some days, I opened the box and…guess what? Yup, the humidity was still there!
I guess that it has “no escape”, the water entered but it has no way out! Not even as vapor!
I couldn’t find any damprid, but my guess is that it wouldn’t be worthy as well…The sun, the rice, turning the light on max, heating it up with fire … nothing worked, the water didn’t disappear!

Here are some photos from when I took it out:

I must say one thing! Member Gearbest has been very attentive and we’ve been in contact to reach a solution, that has already been found!
If sometimes sellers don’t do what they should, in this case GB has been thorough and willing to seek a compromise! So, I got a new F1 on the mail right now!
Thanks GB for that!

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Yup, always silicone lube everything, especially this F1 usb ring.

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For what its worth, when I’ve had an electronic device become wet, I’ve placed them on an electronic appliance with ventilation holes—Dish receiver, stereo receiver, etc. Of course your device can’t be dripping wet but the slow dry heat from an appliance that is on all the time has saved my cell phone and Ipod. Use your imagination.:)

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Well, I’m here to answer my own question: “Has anyone opened a Zanflare F1?”
And the answer is “Yes I did”! There may be some to whom this is heresy, but I guess there was no way around…

After the water entered my F1, I tried to take the water/humidity out, but I guess that was nearly impossible! Especially with a so well build flashlight as this one! Really! This is almost a fortress! It just isn’t because it let some water get in, of course… Facepalm

But, apart from that, the F1 is incredible in its inside and outside construction.
While trying to take the water out, I accidentally broke the lens, heating it… From them on, I knew there was nothing else to do except dismantling it!

So, here are some pictures from my disassembled F1!! It gave a tough fight to unscrew the parts…

BTW, take a look at stephenk’s X-Ray review of this light, to compare the aspect and the pieces http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55281 Thumbs Up


(NOTES: The lens in this image is not from the F1, as its’ broke! The small o-ring in the tailswitch is not in the right place, as it is originally placed between the switch and the “retaining ring” that screws in everything!)

LED, MCPCB, Shelf

Driver:

All the threads from the host were really well glued, that’s why it is so difficult to open this light!

After this I just can say (despite the issues I had and that other member presented here) that the Zanflare F1 is a masterpiece – not for modders, for sure – but as a stock light “ready to use”.

Meanwhile, I’ll wait for the new one that’s on the way Thumbs Up

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MascaratumB wrote:
All the threads from the host were really well glued, that’s why it is so difficult to open this light!

I get it, you had to take it apart once the lens got busted, but still, seeing it in pieces like that almost makes me wanna cry. Big Smile

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I get it, you had to take it apart once the lens got busted, but still, seeing it in pieces like that almost makes me wanna cry. Big Smile

I gotta tell you that it hurted! Crying
Not only in the hands, due to the strength that I had to use, but in the heart, for “destroying” such a great light!

This is like a tank! Even beaten as it was, the body reveals so few bruises, especially comparing to other lights scratched by any tip of a knife!

I didn’t regret buying it and, despite all, I didn’t regret dismantling it.
The tailcap/switch are already part of another light; the driver and the LED, I’ll use them, for sure, to recycle and reconstruct other lights!
You can see the amount of o-rings and pieces it has to seal and make it such a well built light! Even the lens, after breaking, was a rough time to take it out…This is awesome, despite all!! Thumbs Up

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Did you measure the diameter (and depth) of the reflector? Wondering if I could stick a TIR lens in there. Would also get rid of the greenifying AR-coated glass (‘though I gotta confess that after using it quite a while at night I’m almost getting used to it Big Smile ) and blend the colors nicely. Even the NW version might come out a beautiful true NW, not yellow-green.

I’ve been doing that to my S2+es, and the results are, ‘scuse the pun, like night and day.

Then again, I can take apart my S2+es by hand, maybe ring-puller pliers to reach in there for the pill, but it’s simple’n‘easy.

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Well, for the reflector, here are the measures (click the photos for bigger pictures):

With TIR lenses, from different sizes (4 examples):

1 –

2 –

3 –

4 –

5 – Lens with “holder” (‘shoe’ :D) inside the bezel

The first one (1) is the one that fits better! It is a TIR lens from the Amutorch S3 (that I recently replaced for a lens like the one in #2), and it has a small part in the bottom that fits the reflector hole (for the LED) perfectly.

The other lenses do not fit well inside the reflector.

I also tried a lens with holder inside the head (5), but the ones I have are larger than the “final hole” of the bezel (take a look at the last picture inside the bezel).
BUT, I guess that a TIR lens, per se, in the place of the reflector would not work, as it is shorter in height! So, I don’t think it would be worthy!

About the tint, I didn’t took a picture when the lens broke and before unsoldering the driver and LED, but what I can say is that it was white to yellow in some parts! Definitely better than the “greenish”, but not completely Neutral White, as far as I remember!

Maybe if I solder it again I can show how it looks without the AR coated lens! No promises, though Innocent

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I was going to get a good set of strap wrenches to take mine apart, but it looks glued so tight it might be a waste of time

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