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Does anyone have any idea what price the D1s will be released at? Also is the emitter going to be an xpl hi? I am assuming so due to the throw numbers but I have not heard definitively.

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Joey Adams, Agro: thank you for explanation, now it is clear Smile

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I am Certain of this.The minimal increase in output with the VTC5A will NOT be noticeable by eye. That is why I am going to use a 30Q in it.

When you’re using a light with a fet driver (VN drivers are fet drivers too) and a high Vf led , like xp-g2 , output can be up to 15% better with a VTC5A . Even if both 30Q and VTC5A are in a low voltage , let’s say 3.4V , VTC5A will give more current than the 30Q .

Ok.I believe you. My battery knowledge comes from you modders on here, HKJ,MOOCH.JON from Liionwholsale.

I can only speak for myself, I can sometimes drive myself nuts with these battery choices when a lot of times there is not much if any difference b/w the best ones[VTC5/A,30Q,VTC6]! I do not think I am alone in that regard! At the same time I want the best battery for the light in question.

This is for my D1vn light:Spec 2: SST40 HD 6500K Lumen 2300, Lux 48K, Throw 438m

For this light Vinh just changes the LED. I do not think there is a current boost and Tom E’s and TK’S UI and internal parts all remain[EXCEPT the LED].

I ONLY use my single cell lights for 15 minutes, max 20 minutes for the ones using less output.I like MAX output on the trail so I always bring a spare to pop in. When I get home they are all between 3.76v and 3.86v depending on the light and duration of use. They NEVER get close to 3.4v,,,not even near 3.6v. So when I look at HKJ’S comparator, I am looking for the battery w/ the least amount of voltage sag up to ~3.70v. So run time for these single cell modded lights is not the most important, it is the max current to give the most output up to 3.7v. Big Smile

EDIT: For this light I am actually looking for a bit longer run time since it will be pushing 2300 lumens……..~600 more than any other single cell 18650 light I have.Hence the 30Q over my VTC5A. I probably have to put a fresh battery in after 10 or 12 minutes!

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I tried to simplify this for my preference and the way that I use my lights.

This is a pretty close estimate from HKJ’s comparator at 7Amps. It is not much different @5Amps.

I compared the VTC5A to the VTC5/VTC6 and the 30Q.This is in regards to voltge sag from the beginning which is most important to me.

VTC5A VS. VTC5- VTC5A has LESS voltage sag until ~3.2V

VTC5A VS. VTC6- VTC5A has LESS voltage sag until ~3.86v

VTC5A VS. 30Q- VTC5A has LESS voltage sag until ~ 3.80v. Then they are EVEN with one test battery until 3.68V.

I think the main reason the other batteries eventually take over is because they all have more capacity. Not positive of this.

Technically, for my preference[changes battery every 15 minutes], where I am NOT concerned about run time, instead obsessed with MAX output I should be using the VTC5A!!! Cool Got Two yesterday, Only $5.99/each w/ tax,,,FREE SHIPPING because I am a walk in!

On the other hand, from a visual perspective, there will be NO noticeable difference and I would get more run time with the 30Q.

I think when I go to Liionwholsale, I will flip a coin between the VTC5A and 30Q.A GREAT PLACE 1.5 Miles from my house.

VTC6 definitely degrades faster[see MOOCH chart] from my experience.That would not be one of my choices in the future.

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Could someone post beam shot of the warm and cool side by side? I got the warm version but maybe they send cool by accident.

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I don’t have a pic for you. But I don’t think it’s warm but a 3a neutral white,wich is a bit on the cold side for most people.

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Yeah I meant neutral. I got the 3a. It’s 5000K right?

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I don’t have a pic for you. But I don’t think it’s warm but a 3a neutral white,wich is a bit on the cold side for most people.
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Notice: NEVER EVER CHARGE A LITHIUM BATTERY TO 4.35v UNLESS IT IS SPECIFICALLY RATED FOR IT. You will at best drastically reduce capacity and lifetimes of the battery, and at worse overheat the battery until it vents or violently ruptures, destroying the battery, charger, and cause damage to everything in the vicinity. I’m sorry if you already know this but it pays to mention safety. When I first got into flashlights I had asked Richard at mountain electronics if I could charge a new batch of Samsung 30qs I got from him to 4.35v. The response came in what could have been the fastest email reply the world has ever known. He laid out everything bad that could happen in bold and all caps! It scared the crap out of me then and still does, so I usually try to pass the warning along to others.

I won’t contradict you on the fact to not overcharge a battery but a Samsung 30Q won’t vent or explode, it will only leak with strong abuse. Be reassured, it is a very safe chemistry.
Take a look at the safety test at the end of its datasheet.
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Tally-ho wrote:
Joey Adams wrote:
Notice: NEVER EVER CHARGE A LITHIUM BATTERY TO 4.35v UNLESS IT IS SPECIFICALLY RATED FOR IT. You will at best drastically reduce capacity and lifetimes of the battery, and at worse overheat the battery until it vents or violently ruptures, destroying the battery, charger, and cause damage to everything in the vicinity. I’m sorry if you already know this but it pays to mention safety. When I first got into flashlights I had asked Richard at mountain electronics if I could charge a new batch of Samsung 30qs I got from him to 4.35v. The response came in what could have been the fastest email reply the world has ever known. He laid out everything bad that could happen in bold and all caps! It scared the crap out of me then and still does, so I usually try to pass the warning along to others.
I won’t contradict you on the fact to not overcharge a battery but a Samsung 30Q won’t vent or explode, it will only leak. Be reassured, it is a very safe chemistry. Take a look at the safety test at the end of its datasheet.

Yes i can vouch for this as i may have accidentally charged 30Q and also vtc5 maybe 3 or 4 times in the last 2yrs. This was my stupid error, not done on purpose so do not recommend obviously. No issue, certainly no venting , i simply had a 4.35v 30Q which no doubt would have took a couple of cycles off its life. Cells are used still today with no issue found or noticed in use.

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giorgoskok wrote:
wolfdog1226 wrote:
I am Certain of this.The minimal increase in output with the VTC5A will NOT be noticeable by eye. That is why I am going to use a 30Q in it.

When you’re using a light with a fet driver (VN drivers are fet drivers too) and a high Vf led , like xp-g2 , output can be up to 15% better with a VTC5A . Even if both 30Q and VTC5A are in a low voltage , let’s say 3.4V , VTC5A will give more current than the 30Q .

I know you are all on the edge of your seats wondering what my FINAL battery decision will be for my D1vn SST40 HD.

After looking at the comparator over and over again[!!!] for at least a half hour of total time, and analyzing the VTC5A with all the legitimate contenders, I have chosen the VTC5A Cool which has better or just as good voltage curve until 3.68Amps against the 30Q. I will be changing my battery by then!

My buddy and hometown dealers website reviews of the VTC5A also helped. ,,,,,,,Liionwholesale.com Thumbs Up

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Would be interesting to compare the D1 with the TN4A HI, they might be about the same size and the same price.
The TN4A can output turbo for 60min without stepdown (I’d be surprised if the D1 can do the same), uses classic AA battery (advantage ?)

D1 : 1300lm, 43000cd, distance ?. 35mm head, smaller
TN4A hi: 1050lm, 52340cd, 457m. 45mm head, bigger.

What’s funny is, that thrunite is there for years already and yet people talk about the D1 as if it was revolutionary

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Because TN4A has nearly 3 times the size (volume)?

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2 posts and you already seem to now everythhing about pocket throwers, please enlighten us !

Quick thoughts :
1 cm more in diameter, bulky cylinder form factor for the TN4A, 10$ more, 250 lumens less and twice the weight of the D1…
They’re not even competitors.

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if you’re happy, i’m happy.
I just wanted to create interest in a comparison, that I find justified. Discussions are interesting imo.
Now, if you feel attacked, sit back and continue your day Wink

Now, let’s talk technical :
a bit more volume and a bit more weight : yes, and that’s probably why you can have 60min at turbo.
I’m not sure smaller is better, how usefull would be a keychain with 6000 lumens that works only 10 sec before stepdown to 100 lumens ?
but in case that’s your thing, the D4 is revolutionary, much more than the D1 i’d say

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My D1 goes a few minutes before stepping down in my hand. Also its tiny in comparison and has quite a bit of usable spill. The ui is incredible also. Also I don’t consider buying AA batteries constantly as a plus either.

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eneloop pro will do the job.
No voltage concern, you’ll get turbo all the way, for 60min. That’s what I call a massive advantage.

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totobel wrote:
eneloop pro will do the job. No voltage concern, you’ll get turbo all the way, for 60min. That’s what I call a massive advantage.

I am big fan of NiMH AA……. but TN4A not offers 60 minutes without step.
Weigh of 4 NiMH PRO are more than 100 gr.
…..really, nobody of those who have been here for more than two days, would think to compare a flashlight as the D1 with the TN4A …. Facepalm

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Trevi_lux wrote:
…..really, nobody of those who have been here for more than two days, would think to compare a flashlight as the D1 with the TN4A …. Facepalm

+1

To me, they have nothing in common, apart from both being flashlights.
So comparison is meaningless.

For example Emisar D1 vs BLF X6 and TN4A vs Nitecore EA41 makes more sense.

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Seriously, nobody called the D1 revelutionary. And it is not revolutionary, but it IS a real nice pocket thrower. Nice size, nice form, nice build quality, great ui.

TN4A is nice but not really comparable, but if you think so than please include the convoy L6 in your comparison. More lumens and throw, just a bit bigger.

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thing is … I don’t like stepdown
it’s like having a ferrari, but oh after 5min, it’s a peugeot.
Ok super …

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totobel wrote:
thing is … I don’t like stepdown it’s like having a ferrari, but oh after 5min, it’s a peugeot. Ok super …

Know something about lumens, led, heat, mass….or are you only trolling….?

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totobel wrote:
thing is … I don’t like stepdown it’s like having a ferrari, but oh after 5min, it’s a peugeot. Ok super …

You made your point. No reason for you to buy this light.

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Trevi_lux wrote:
totobel wrote:
thing is … I don’t like stepdown it’s like having a ferrari, but oh after 5min, it’s a peugeot. Ok super …

Know something about lumens, led, heat, mass….or are you only trolling….?

The 4AA steps down, he is trolling.

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totobel wrote:
thing is … I don’t like stepdown it’s like having a ferrari, but oh after 5min, it’s a peugeot. Ok super …

You’re in fact buying a Peugeot which can transform into a Ferrari when needed to. Not the other way round. (A Ferrari cost more than $40 bucks) If you want a Ferrari get a X65 instead. Party

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totobel wrote:
thing is … I don’t like stepdown it’s like having a ferrari, but oh after 5min, it’s a peugeot. Ok super …

Are you aware of that a Ferrari can’t run at full throttle indefinitely either?

That said; I’m pretty sure we will soon start seeing flashlights with active cooling, to allow for longer runtimes at turbo/high.

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myflashguy wrote:
If you want a Ferrari get a X65 instead. Party

And if you want even more get the X65vn Solis, it runs so cool it apparently doesn’t need stepdown ( http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?437883-X65vn-Solis-Ul...(Solis-VS-ALL) ).

Sorry for OT, now back to the great D1.

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MY D1 has shipped! Should have it in a few days!

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MY D1 has shipped! Should have it in a few days!

I’m sure that you’ll love it! It’s one heck of a light!

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A little off topic is fine with me. No fist of rage to hammer you into submission here on the blf. Thank goodness for that!

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