WTB: Jetbeam RRT01 – Any place to buy it?! + [RRT01 2019 discussion]

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moderator007 wrote:
Djozz, what was the led before you sliced it. I see you tested it at about 3500k after the slice but what was it before, 4000k?
Or did I miss the info somewhere.
I’m using the 4000k from AEDe goup buy second batch. Just wondering if I should slice mine.

It was a 4000K 90CRI LH351D from led4power. I have had that led from the first AEDe group buy too and I did not notice a different tint between the AEDe and led4power version, (which was an impression, I could not actually measure tints at the time).

I sliced that led before, and mind that slicing costs about 20% output.

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Gunga wrote:
Btw. The slots work well with 1.5×6mm and 1.5×5mm trits, so 11mm total.

Too bad on short on 1.5×6mm. Time for another mixglo.com order…


So are those slots too narrow for 2mm? I was thinking if it can take those, just boring out a little at both ends to get it up to 10.5 mm (a little room for adhesive buffer) would work. But if not, it would require some special apparatus to bore out a wider straight line across the whole slot.
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xevious wrote:
Gunga wrote:
Btw. The slots work well with 1.5×6mm and 1.5×5mm trits, so 11mm total.

Too bad on short on 1.5×6mm. Time for another mixglo.com order…


So are those slots too narrow for 2mm? I was thinking if it can take those, just boring out a little at both ends to get it up to 10.5 mm (a little room for adhesive buffer) would work. But if not, it would require some special apparatus to bore out a wider straight line across the whole slot.

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1467214#comment-1467214
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Some guy on CPF said he needed to make them deeper. I have some spare 1.5×5mm so this is a good use for them. I also don’t want to grind anything.

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Hi Clemence, are you still planning on making something high cri available with this light? I’m holding off on buying one as I’m not modding savey and wouldn’t be happy with the stock led. Thanks in advance!

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Hi Clemence, are you still planning on making something high cri available with this light? I’m holding off on buying one as I’m not modding savey and wouldn’t be happy with the stock led. Thanks in advance!

Can’t give confirmation until i receive mine. My order from BG delayed. Shipped already should be here within for a week or so.

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Having fiddled with different leds in the RRT01 yesterday, I’m not sure if this flashlight is happy with small leds like the E21A. If it really drives them at over 3A that is over the max for this led, that has its sweetspot at 2A in my opinion. Further, it seems that the smaller the led, the larger beam artifacts become (sharper rings in the spill, uneven hotspot), this light could then do with a OP reflector instead of smooth.

But time will tell Smile

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and flat white too?.

djozz wrote:
Having fiddled with different leds in the RRT01 yesterday, I’m not sure if this flashlight is happy with small leds like the E21A. If it really drives them at over 3A that is over the max for this led, that has its sweetspot at 2A in my opinion. Further, it seems that the smaller the led, the larger beam artifacts become (sharper rings in the spill, uneven hotspot), this light could then do with a OP reflector instead of smooth.

But time will tell Smile

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moderator007 wrote:
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Gunga wrote:
Btw. The slots work well with 1.5×6mm and 1.5×5mm trits, so 11mm total.

Too bad on short on 1.5×6mm. Time for another mixglo.com order…


So are those slots too narrow for 2mm? I was thinking if it can take those, just boring out a little at both ends to get it up to 10.5 mm (a little room for adhesive buffer) would work. But if not, it would require some special apparatus to bore out a wider straight line across the whole slot.

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1467214#comment-1467214

Thanks! You did a great job. I have a Dremel and some bits that can cut metal, but I don’t have an apparatus for ensuring a straight line. I think I’d likely go the route that Gunga took, to use 1.5 mm. I’m not sure there’s a 1.5 × 6 mm out there, but if so it would be interesting to combine the two. Since there would be a definite delineation between the 2 vials, would be an opportunity to do alternating colors within same line.
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djozz wrote:
I measured some currents on the lowest modes:
  • Once it emits the slightest bit of light: a base-level of 9.7 milli-amps appears, going up when ramping up. So the max runtime, however subsubsublumen low you go, will never exceed about 5 days.

I always found the RRT01’s low-mode efficiency a little disappointing. It does the lowest levels I’ve seen on any flashlight, but its power use is unusually high. If I recall correctly, 9.7 mA is enough to run my D4 at, um… well, I suppose I should just measure it to find out. … 2.8 lumens. And at the lowest mode (~0.2 lm), it’s only 1.7 mA.

So with an 1150 mAh 18350 cell, the maximum runtime on those two is about 5 days vs 28 days.

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djozz wrote:
this light could then do with a OP reflector instead of smooth.

But time will tell Smile

Agreed. The light could really benefit from one. I had some TIR’s from Convoy’s Ali store. They are bit too small in diameter and a not quite tall enough. I made one work but it’s not an ideal fit. A friend found some TIR’s that are a few mm’s bigger in diameter and height. I will see how they fit when they get here. For now DCFix has made it quite enjoyable but am looking forward to trying the larger TIR’s.

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I agree that the beam on the RRT-01 is ringy, when Im using N219b
the reflector sucks.. Wink

My bet is that Clemence will build a centered group of Four E21a, so the excess power issue will be solved
And I bet he comes up with a TIR that makes a perfect beam..

Regarding the trit slots issue with the new RRT-01.. one option is to just use Two 1.5×5, and as xevious suggested, use that as an opportunity to mount 2 colors per slot

about clips:
Im seeking one of these short clips, if anyone has one available please PM me

or if you know a source for them, please share

This is the difference:

the long one comes on the present version of the RRT-01, and one of the earlier models,
the second run of the earlier model had the short clip, as pictured on my RRT-01 above, and on the Eye10 TiC

btw, Eye10 TiC does NOT fit my Keepower 1200mAh, that works fine in my RRT-01

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After much looking and inquiry, I found one! A lovely TCR1! Amazed these aren’t discussed more often. I am not usually a big fan of titanium, but this light is sublime, IMO.

Congratulations! That is a grail light.

nitpick:
The TCR-1 comes with a long clip.. it interferes with the rotary ring.. not acceptable to my snobby self:

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moderator007 wrote:
xevious wrote:
Gunga wrote:
Btw. The slots work well with 1.5×6mm and 1.5×5mm trits, so 11mm total.

Too bad on short on 1.5×6mm. Time for another mixglo.com order…


So are those slots too narrow for 2mm? I was thinking if it can take those, just boring out a little at both ends to get it up to 10.5 mm (a little room for adhesive buffer) would work. But if not, it would require some special apparatus to bore out a wider straight line across the whole slot.

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1467214#comment-1467214

Thanks! You did a great job. I have a Dremel and some bits that can cut metal, but I don’t have an apparatus for ensuring a straight line. I think I’d likely go the route that Gunga took, to use 1.5 mm. I’m not sure there’s a 1.5 × 6 mm out there, but if so it would be interesting to combine the two. Since there would be a definite delineation between the 2 vials, would be an opportunity to do alternating colors within same line.

The 2mm wide trit vials fit fine, no grinding, I measured around 2.25mm I think factory opening. Its the length of the 2×12mm trit vial that’s too long. I ground the ends a little to fit and went ahead and ground all the way down the slot to expose the bare aluminum, I was hoping this might help the trit illumination reflect back up and out, instead of just hitting the black anodizing. The ends are the only thing that needs ground if using a 2×12mm vial.
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I agree that the beam on the RRT-01 is ringy, when Im using N219b the reflector sucks.. Wink

Rings, oh so many rings!

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The 2mm wide trit vials fit fine, no grinding, I measured around 2.25mm I think factory opening. Its the length of the 2×12mm trit vial that’s too long. I ground the ends a little to fit and went ahead and ground all the way down the slot to expose the bare aluminum, I was hoping this might help the trit illumination reflect back up and out, instead of just hitting the black anodizing. The ends are the only thing that needs ground if using a 2×12mm vial.

Can you link what type of bit you used to do that? I have a dremel but dont use it enough to know what 500 bits work best for what purpose.

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jon_slider wrote:
I agree that the beam on the RRT-01 is ringy, when Im using N219b the reflector sucks.. Wink

Rings, oh so many rings!

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The 2mm wide trit vials fit fine, no grinding, I measured around 2.25mm I think factory opening. Its the length of the 2×12mm trit vial that’s too long. I ground the ends a little to fit and went ahead and ground all the way down the slot to expose the bare aluminum, I was hoping this might help the trit illumination reflect back up and out, instead of just hitting the black anodizing. The ends are the only thing that needs ground if using a 2×12mm vial.

Great to know you didn’t have to bore out the width any further. So it’s not just width but also depth that’s sufficient to fit the 2mm wide vial while still remaining below surface? I agree exposing the bare aluminum might actually help just a little with reflecting the tritium light.
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moderator007 wrote:
The 2mm wide trit vials fit fine, no grinding, I measured around 2.25mm I think factory opening. Its the length of the 2×12mm trit vial that’s too long. I ground the ends a little to fit and went ahead and ground all the way down the slot to expose the bare aluminum, I was hoping this might help the trit illumination reflect back up and out, instead of just hitting the black anodizing. The ends are the only thing that needs ground if using a 2×12mm vial.

Can you link what type of bit you used to do that? I have a dremel but dont use it enough to know what 500 bits work best for what purpose.


I think I got mine on ebay but this one is exactly like mine by the dimensions they give.
https://www.the-carbide-end-mill-store.com/m5/955-4059—htc-955-4059-1-5mm-carbide-ball-end-mill-standard-length-4-flute-gp-30-uncoated.html

1.5mm cutting diameter 4 flute 5mm flute depth with a 3mm shank ball nose. I don’t use dremel stuff because their not as good as of a bit or end mill made for a actual mill. I have a mill so this works for both purpose for me. These last for a very long time, carbide is good stuff. I have had this one since this project here.
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/348040#comment-348040
I just found more info in that thread. Those pics contain the part number and show the actual bit, the one in the link above doesn’t show a actual pic. You really wouldn’t have to have a ball nose just a 4 flute end mill with the dimensions above.

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moderator007 wrote:

The 2mm wide trit vials fit fine, no grinding, I measured around 2.25mm I think factory opening. Its the length of the 2×12mm trit vial that’s too long. I ground the ends a little to fit and went ahead and ground all the way down the slot to expose the bare aluminum, I was hoping this might help the trit illumination reflect back up and out, instead of just hitting the black anodizing. The ends are the only thing that needs ground if using a 2×12mm vial.

Great to know you didn’t have to bore out the width any further. So it’s not just width but also depth that’s sufficient to fit the 2mm wide vial while still remaining below surface? I agree exposing the bare aluminum might actually help just a little with reflecting the tritium light.

If you could find a 2×10mm trit, it would drop right in, add glue and done. They make that size, It’s just no one can find them for sale.
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moderator007 wrote:
The 2mm wide trit vials fit fine, no grinding, I measured around 2.25mm I think factory opening. Its the length of the 2×12mm trit vial that’s too long. I ground the ends a little to fit and went ahead and ground all the way down the slot to expose the bare aluminum, I was hoping this might help the trit illumination reflect back up and out, instead of just hitting the black anodizing. The ends are the only thing that needs ground if using a 2×12mm vial.

Can you link what type of bit you used to do that? I have a dremel but dont use it enough to know what 500 bits work best for what purpose.


I looked up the part # and found one on ebay. Should be exactly the one I used, you’ll have it for years if not mistreated.
https://www.ebay.com/p/1-16-Solid-Carbide-End-Mill-4-Flute-STD-Cutting-Tool-USA-HTC-120-4062-A11/1801541799
A 2 flute will cut faster but leaves a rough finish. A 4 flute will cut a little slower but leaves a machined finish. Anything with a 1/8 shank diameter should work in a dremel. I have a Proxxon that has a collet that excepts a few different sizes but 1/8 is very common.
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Try Jerray at Aliexpress, their carbide products are very nice at cheaper price. Not the cheapest for AE standards but definitely vetter than the majority there.

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There’s a $3 off coupon for Ebay. Min purchase 3.01 or something. Good for stuff like this

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moderator007 wrote:
The 2×12mm blue fasttech trit vials came yesterday. There to long to fit the RRT01 slots, the width is fine. I had to do a little proxxon rotary tool surgery to make them fit.



If someone is looking to add trit vials to your new RRT01 the 2×12mm will not fit without modification…

thanks for the great info and pics

those NonAnodised slots would look even better with the whole light stripped:

Geuzzz wrote:

I wonder how it would look if a 1.5×6mm trit was used instead, without removing the anodising in the slots?

anyone have a photo, even just the shorter trits in the stock anodised slots, with no glue yet?

I think I prefer anodised slots, on anodised lights… here is a visual:
(photos clipped from posts by xevious, alchemi and djozz)

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That bare aluminum unpolished RRT-01 2019 looks soooooOOOO pretty! Love Love Love

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Does anyone know what the standby current is on the new RRT-01? I heard the previous version drains a full 16340 cell in 2 months.

here is the info on the old model.. Im guessing it has not changed, but others will need to confirm..:

selfbuilt;4253974 wrote:
For the RRT-01, the standby current … on CR123A (55uA average). It was a little lower on 1xRCR, at ~30uA. For a typical 1400mAh CR123A and 750mAh RCR, this would translate into 2.9 years before a fresh cell would be fully discharged

I think this means new model parasitic drain is half as big as before:

djozz wrote:
When I have a light that I like, I want to know a lot about it. I measured some currents on the lowest modes:

With the ring clicked off: 27 micro-amps (4.5 years to drain your 1100mAh 18350)

Im confused by figuring out an apples to apples comparison… selfbuilt says 55uA on 750mAh LiIon lasts 2.9 years, for the old model

djozz says 27uA on 1100mAh LiIon lasts 4.5 years, for the new model

seems the new model drains half as fast, yes?

if I used djozz values and reduce the battery to 750mAh it comes out to 3 years, essentially the same as selfbuilt

clemence wrote:
I read Selfbuilt review too. But do remember that 2,9 years was calculated down to 0V. Expect 1ish year to normal 2,5V

which confirms Clemences observation that selfbuilt mistakenly calculated runtime to a 0volt LiIon battery, while it appears djozz correctly calculated to 50% drained..

am I on track?

fwiw, Ive tried using a super low level as a locator on my old model RRT-01, overnight, and it seemed to use power way too fast.

so this makes sense to me:

djozz wrote:
Once it emits the slightest bit of light: a base-level of 9.7 milli-amps appears, going up when ramping up. So the max runtime, however subsubsublumen low you go, will never exceed about 5 days.

and for that reason I now use a glow ring on the tail of my old model RRT-01 that has no trit slots. I can see it fine, when I wake in the dark, even when I do not bother to precharge the glow when I go to bed

thumbs up on glow tape for old models
Ti Jetbeam image from a post by Archibald Tuttle

here are my Eye10 and old model RRT-01, my cat always wants to be in my photos Wink

and thumbs up on trits for the new RRT-01:

moderator007 wrote:


For the new RRT-01, I think I could be happy with 1.5×6mm trits, with intact anodising.
What do others think?

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At least use 2×6mm unless you have a ton of the 1.5

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jon_slider the quote from selfbuilt says 30ua from a RCR. That’s only 3ua difference from djozz 27ua, which could be just a difference in meters or slightly different components.
With the test I have seen from 123a batterys and seeing how the RRT01 has no low voltage protection, I think with a 1400mah capacity, a 123a would last a lot longer than 50%. The light might be pretty dim towards the end but it should still produce usable light.
https://www.powerstream.com/cr123a-tests.htm At .055ma drain the capacity would be way higher than at 700ma shown in the graphs.

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moderator007 wrote:
jon_slider the quote from selfbuilt says 30ua from a RCR.

Thanks!
I got lost in the Alphabet soup Smile

very helpful, as always
much appreciated!

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