WTB: Jetbeam RRT01 – Any place to buy it?! + [RRT01 2019 discussion]

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Scallywag wrote:
if it takes 18500 it can definitely take 14500, not sure why you’d want to

Im not a 14500 advocate..

AA power is just an interesting option for gifting to an imaginary muggle, or granny

If confirmed, the 2020 RRT-01 will be the only presently available rotary capable of working w AA

for reference, a Sunwayman V11r or V10a on AA makes about 90 lumens with a 4500k 219b
… AA wont win any throw, nor output contests, but is perfectly adequate at indoor distances. and for those imaginary post nuclear prepper scenarios Facepalm

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Oh yeah, when nobody can charge batteries anywhere snd we have to scrounge for aa stockpiles! Haha

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jon_slider wrote:
Scallywag wrote:
if it takes 18500 it can definitely take 14500, not sure why you’d want to

Im not a 14500 advocate..

AA power is just an interesting option for gifting to an imaginary muggle, or granny

If confirmed, the 2020 RRT-01 will be the only presently available rotary capable of working w AA

for reference, a Sunwayman V11r or V10a on AA makes about 90 lumens with a 4500k 219b
… AA wont win any throw, nor output contests, but is perfectly adequate at indoor distances. and for those imaginary post nuclear prepper scenarios Facepalm


Oh, for actual AA (~1.5V) compatibility, I’d bet a light that it doesn’t work.
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The previous rrt01 did work with AA. Hopefully the new one does too.

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So where is the best place to buy the 2019 RRT01? Looking to finally get one but don’t want a tail switch.

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Gunga wrote:
The previous rrt01 did work with AA. Hopefully the new one does too.
You mean with a spacer, one could make an AA cell work in the original RRT-01?
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Gunga wrote:
The previous rrt01 did work with AA. Hopefully the new one does too.

Thank you for this correction. I had no idea, but tested it with an Energizer alkaline AA cell, my original-version RRT-01, and a test lead. Output was obviously a lot lower than with the usual 18350, but it definitely worked.

Okay, in the interest of full disclosure, I was too lazy to go downstairs for my test leads, so I grabbed a pair of scissors at my desk and shorted from the cell’s negative end to where the end of the battery tube would contact.

You have no idea how hard it was to take this picture.
For fun, I tried it with a partially discharged NiMh AA, and it still worked.

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See this post from clemence during some of his testing of the “2019” model:

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1537797#comment-1537797

Basically just confirmation that it was designed to accept CR123 and thus is a boost driver of some kind.

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The promotional materials for the 2020 version say things like
“Patented temperature control technology” “drive circuit automatic overheat protection” “IC digital circuit design, providing dual protection of LED and battery, to ensure LED and battery life, and safer use”

My understanding is the 2019 model didn’t have temp control or lvp. Sounds like the 2020 model has at least temp control, maybe lvp? So are we getting a new driver?

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Any reason why it is limited to “only” 950 Lumen though?

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asdqqq wrote:
The promotional materials for the 2020 version say things like
“Patented temperature control technology” “drive circuit automatic overheat protection” “IC digital circuit design, providing dual protection of LED and battery, to ensure LED and battery life, and safer use”

My understanding is the 2019 model didn’t have temp control or lvp. Sounds like the 2020 model has at least temp control, maybe lvp? So are we getting a new driver?

For all we know those could simply come from the supplied protected battery

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contactcr wrote:
For all we know those could simply come from the supplied protected battery

Good point.

M4D M4X got his hands on one of the new ones and conformed it does have sub lumen modes, so that’s good.
His coupon at Nealsgadgets for the new model with the extension tubes is the best I’ve seen so far. Ask for the coupon code here: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/37267?page=173#comment-1666694

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BOO5TED wrote:
So where is the best place to buy the 2019 RRT01? Looking to finally get one but don’t want a tail switch.

Sent you a PM.
I agree. Don’t really get the tail switch thing. Just seems like a light with memory. I do, however have a Sunwayman rotary with a tail switch and really like it mostly because it is titanium.
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All rotarys that I have played around with work with a AA batterys. The jetbeam’s and Sunwayman’s use basically the same circuit with the same rotary postion sensor.
They use a PAM2803 for the boost circuit and anything above the vf of the led is direct drive thru a mosfet with the current limting resistor, inductor, and diode in series with the led. The resistance in those componets is what limits the current. The PAM2803 datsheet is here. https://www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/PAM2803.pdf
They all have about the same output using a AA because they use the same boost controller. With better lower resistance components in the current path you can gain better output being more efficient which most of the newer models are doing but in boost mode the gain is small.

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Retailers have different info about what emitter options are available for the new RRT01, so I asked Jetbeam directly. According to them, there are only two options: Cree XP-L 6000K+ (80+ CRI) or Nichia 219C 4000k (90+ CRI).

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asdqqq wrote:
Retailers have different info about what emitter options are available for the new RRT01, so I asked Jetbeam directly. According to them, there are only two options: Cree XP-L 6000K+ (80+ CRI) or Nichia 219C 4000k (90+ CRI).

Good to know.

Personally, I think the XPL is too cool and the 291C’s output is too low. I’ll likely replace the emitters with SST-20 4000K high-CRI or XPL HI.

I’m also thinking of maybe trying Oslon White 2. It’s cooler than I’d like, but comes with much more throw than XPL-HI. I need to get some though… don’t have any White 2.

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asdqqq wrote:
I asked Jetbeam … Nichia 219C 4000k (90+ CRI).

thank you for taking the time to seek accurate info

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of course if someone does want a 3500k 219b…. that mod can happen too :-)…

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jon_slider wrote:
asdqqq wrote:
I asked Jetbeam … Nichia 219C 4000k (90+ CRI).

thank you for taking the time to seek accurate info

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of course if someone does want a 3500k 219b…. that mod can happen too :-)…

depending on the reflector. 219b in last year’s model was just “OK”

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contactcr wrote:
jon_slider wrote:
asdqqq wrote:
I asked Jetbeam … Nichia 219C 4000k (90+ CRI).

thank you for taking the time to seek accurate info

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of course if someone does want a 3500k 219b…. that mod can happen too :-)…

depending on the reflector. 219b in last year’s model was just “OK”

Well that’s what replacement reflectors are for.

The original RRT-01 and TCR-01 came with a smooth reflector that produced a horrible ringy beam. They partially fixed this problem by converting to an OP reflector in later runs of the original RRT-01 and in the Niteye EYE-10.

When I modded mine, I swapped both the emitter and reflector. A new reflector made a world of difference… no more rings.

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Afaik there is no drop in reflector for last year’s model. The old ones do not share any parts.

Wish they slimmed this one down, it’s even heavier

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Actually the reflector I installed in my original version RRT01 did not drop in either. Had to do a bit of hand filing to make it fit.

Regarding weight: the 2019 version is significantly heavier than the 2013 version. I think most of this extra weight is due to the choice to use a brass rather than aluminum pill.

I assume the 2020 version is basically a 2019 version with an added tail switch. As such it should be the heaviest of the bunch.

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asdqqq wrote:
Retailers have different info about what emitter options are available for the new RRT01, so I asked Jetbeam directly. According to them, there are only two options: Cree XP-L 6000K+ (80+ CRI) or Nichia 219C 4000k (90+ CRI).

Thanks for checking and letting us know, very happy mine will have the 219C then.

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Wish they slimmed this one down, it’s even heavier

yes, but the 2020 RRT-01 gives the people who want an 18650 tube, another option. (plus a tailswitch for those that like that option)

Im waiting for someone that has both the 2019 and 2020, to confirm whether the 2020 adapters for 18650 work with the 2019 version…

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because you want 18650 with no tail switch?

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Im still happy with the Original RRT-01, and they are still available

I dont plan to buy the 2019 or 2020 versions, but I do recommend them, for someone interested in the StepLess Rotary experience, if they choose not to buy the Original RRT-01.

The 2019 has the advantage of being able to use Protected 18350, that dont fit in the Original.
otoh, the 2019 is fatter and heavier.. but it works fine…

The 2020 adds a tailswitch, and other battery types, presumably including AA Eneloop, for the prepper in me.. LOL

This is a very good time to be a Stepless Rotary buyer. We have new options that span the rotaries of yesteryear, including shades of the Sunwayman V10a and V11r, plus the RRT-01.

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the 2019 model has strobe
it is the same driver as in a NiteEye Eye10
I like it, they are available separately, and they fit the Original too.

the advantages of the Original include, smaller, lighter, and there is a reflector upgrade available for use with 219b, thanks to moderator007.

Specific details on the replacement reflectors for the Original in this post.

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I wonder if the 2019 driver is the same size as the 2013 driver.

I like the 2013 version, but after using lights like the FW3A, D4V2 and Imalent LD70 I’ve gotten used to power. After you’ve gotten used to 4000 lumens it’s hard to back to 500.

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The drivers are indeed the same size and interchangeable.

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Firelight2 wrote:
I wonder if the 2019 driver is the same size as the 2013 driver.

I like the 2013 version, but after using lights like the FW3A, D4V2 and Imalent LD70 I’ve gotten used to power. After you’ve gotten used to 4000 lumens it’s hard to back to 500.


If you mean 2019 model RRT-01 and original model RRT-01, yes they are the same size. New model has a higher output with its lower value current limiting resistor and added strobe, s.o.s. modes.
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1527310#comment-1527310
I have put the new model drivers in almost all my older RRT-01’s and the TCR1. I think I even had one older model RRT-01 that came (NIB) with the new style driver.
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Firelight2 wrote:
I wonder if the 2019 driver is the same size as the 2013 driver.

I like the 2013 version, but after using lights like the FW3A, D4V2 and Imalent LD70 I’ve gotten used to power. After you’ve gotten used to 4000 lumens it’s hard to back to 500.


If you mean 2019 model RRT-01 and original model RRT-01, yes they are the same size. New model has a higher output with its lower value current limiting resistor and added strobe, s.o.s. modes.
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1527310#comment-1527310
I have put the new model drivers in almost all my older RRT-01’s and the TCR1. I think I even had one older model RRT-01 that came (NIB) with the new style driver.

Is it possible to buy the 2019 RRT-01’s driver separately from Jetbeam?
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Yes, they’re contact info is somewhere in this thread. Same contact for the short clips jon_slider has posted here somewhere.

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