Budget 1000+lm Flashlight with adjustable Beam and USB charging.

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Budget 1000+lm Flashlight with adjustable Beam and USB charging.

Hi guys.
This is my first post here.
I’m looking for a 1000+ lumen flashlight which I can use mostly while Camping and night trekking. It should be compact, pocket friendly, having an adjustable beam, continuous 1000+ lumen mode and Usb charging so that if the battery dies, I can connect it to my powerbank and use it.

I’ve read about BLF, Convoy, Eagle eye, and many others, but some of them have 1000+(turbo) mode only for 1-3mins. And I want something which can work for more long or maybe till the battery dies.
The “WUBEN LT35” seems promising.
And I thought maybe I should ask the experts here before I go with wuben. Can’t find much about wuben lt35 online.. Maybe its new or something.
Really need some help here guys.. And I think there should be a lot more people trying to find a budget and pocket friendly flashlight with my requirements.

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Welcome to BLF!

Finding one that can be on max all the time will be tricky, it also depends on what the temperature is where you use it.
Convoy BD series has a zoomie, tha tharng is vert nicely done, without a rubber thingy that can get loose or leaking.

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Hey how are you doing, and welcome indeed to BLF!

- continuous 1000+ lumen = no problem
- compact pocket friendly = no problem
- USB charging = no problem
- adjustable beam = no problem

The problem is combining these four demands. Budget compact single 18650 lights, you have a bunch of them. And some come with USB charging as well. But most of these lights cannot sustain 1000+ lumens for two reasons. 1) not enough heat sinking, i.e. the light is compact. 2) Usually the led/driver combo results in reduced output with depleting cell.
To have 1000+ lumen independent of cell voltage this means you have to get XHP35 led/boost driver for a compact single 18650 light. These are getting more affordable, but they’re not in the sub $20 range yet. The trend is that they do come often with a USB charger.
When it comes to adding beam adjust-ability that’s a different story. There is just not that much choice.
I think you need to compromise, and ask yourself what you really want or need.

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Hi
Thank you for explaining, but I do know the logic behind it..
From what I have read, the wuben lt35 doesnt have a stepdown setting for turbo mode.
Maybe cause it has dedicated fins for cooling??

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The specs says (source: at 48 seconds of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-geMVv3LKk)

Mid: 360 lumens for 185 minutes
High: 1200 lumens for 105 minutes

The latter is not possible (pretty sure about this) without step-down. 1200 lumens equals at least 3 × 360 lumens, so runtime should be at least a third of 185 minutes, meaning less than an hour. So there must be a step-down.
This light is also an example of what I wrote in my previous post; the 1200 lumens is only at start-up with fresh 4.2V cell. As the cell depletes, so does output.

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Oh… That’s Right
I didn’t do that math..
About an hour for 1000+lm is good if it supports.. Other flashlights just run for about 1-3mins in high mode.
I’m just hoping lt35 gives me a better turbo time..
Anyone here has a lt35? Or knows anyone who has a lt35

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The problem is that many manufacturers don’t state step-down; this isn’t even required by ANSI. Only recently some companies specify, like Olight with the X7R. If you don’t want step-down, you can look into low-tech budget lights like the Convoy S2+. It gets pretty hot on turbo with 8×7135 chips, so you have to control it yourself. But… still same problem with reduced output with depleting cell…

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For camping and night trekking I think that a flashlight with a reflector (hotspot and spill) is, paradoxically, more versatile than one with an adjustable beam.
And for night trekking, most of the time you don’t need 1000 lumens for long to enlighten a trail. It’s better to preserve night vision with lower brightness output to save up battery runtime.

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I hadn’t heard of Wuben, so I searched and found this flashlight on Amazon. The second image clearly says it has “temperature protection”. Wouldn’t that mean it steps down if left on turbo?

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Personally I would be looking for a headlamp instead of a flashlight for camping

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Hi 9930wilson!
Welcome to BLF and enjoy your time here Wink

After hIKARInoob ‘s explanation, I guess I’ll follow The Miller’s suggestion on the Convoy BD04.
- it is about 20-25 USD (max 21€);
- it is a push-pull zoomable, not a twisty zoomable, so it’s better to use with just one hand;
- it gives you the possibility to use it with a power bank to recharge the 18650 battery that it will use;
- if you request the seller – Simon, from Convoy store in AliExpress – the biscotti driver can be installed, offering you many using configurations;
- the Convoy lights usually have a good combination of quality of host, leds, drivers…everything, being built as flashlight to last long;
- you can choose the type of tint you prefer, with 5 variations LEDs at your disposal! Wink

I don’t know the Wuben light you mentioned, nor any person that has it, so I won’t talk about that.

I do know that having 1000 lumens constantly will – probably – not be possible in a pocketable/compact flashlight; it may be possible on bigger lights, using several batteries, and good heatsinking or cooling fans!

I also know that the Convoy lights offer great quality and that you probably won’t be disappointed!

If you go for it, ask the seller to install it with a driver with 7135*8 chips: it will get hot on the highest, for sure, but it allows you to have some “bursts” in illumination (close to 1000 I guess) and to use it in low modes, ideal for close range and “not blinding” moments!
Also, chose the type of light colour that you prefer (see the link below).

This is just a suggestion, though Wink
Hope you find a light that suits you the most Thumbs Up

Here’s the link for the flashlight on AliExpress store:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Convoy-BD04-zoomable-flashlight-CREE-XML2-U2-LED-18650-LED-flashlight-torch-lantern-self-defense-camping/330416_32279728868.html

Here’s a link for a “review” on the Convoy BD04:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_0UZswbxQI

Here’s the link for other thread in the forum where raccoon city asked about compact zoomie lights:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/56186

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The HaikeLite HT08 is an interesting looking zoomie. It’s 850 lm. And, with the amount of fins, and the fact that it does not list a turbo mode, it may very well be able to sustain it for a good bit. Gear Best currently has it on Flash Sale for $15.99 HT08

I have the MT07 and the SC01, and I’ve been very impressed by both.

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Frankly, unless you’re planning to mount a bunch of them to a roll-bar and go off-roading, you’ll never need 1000lm for anything but short bursts (to scare away grizzlies or whatever), vs continuously.

A headlamp with maybe 10lm-50lm would be plenty to light up your path, and not ruin your night-vision too much.

Even if you “need” way way brighter light, the visible difference between 500lm and 1000lm isn’t all that much. And 500lm (or even 300lm) is much more reasonable as far as heat, battery capacity, etc., than 1000lm.

 

As others mentioned, having one or more of the features on your checklist is fairly easy, but all of them combined would be really hard to get.

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^^^ Yeah you don’t need 1000+ lumens to surive, true. But then again you don’t need a dozen or more lights either… But it’s just awesome! When I’m in the woods with my 4×18650 soda can flooders, I want my light to pump out as many lumens as possible continuously, which means around 2000 to 3000 lumens. It’s just very satisfying to see everything light up like Christmas…

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hIKARInoob wrote:
The specs says (source: at 48 seconds of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-geMVv3LKk)

Mid: 360 lumens for 185 minutes
High: 1200 lumens for 105 minutes

step-down. 1200 lumens equals at least 3 × 360 lumens, so runtime should be at least a third of 185 minutes, meaning less than an hour. So there must be a step-down.
This light is also an example of what I wrote in my previous post; the 1200 lumens is only at start-up with fresh 4.2V cell. As the cell depletes, so does output.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-geMVv3LKk (link is external)
Check out the comments on that video

The Reviewer says it stays on the Turbo mode till the battery drains out. (Fingers crossed) Hope that’s True

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Tally-ho wrote:
For camping and night trekking I think that a flashlight with a reflector (hotspot and spill) is, paradoxically, more versatile than one with an adjustable beam. And for night trekking, most of the time you don’t need 1000 lumens for long to enlighten a trail. It’s better to preserve night vision with lower brightness output to save up battery runtime.

I’d like a long throw option too.. If I’m camping on a mountain and if there’s something a bit far, I’ll prefer not to carry another flashlight for it.
Or If I plan on taking a photo of the night sky with my torch pointing towards the sky or something.

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9930wilson wrote:
hIKARInoob wrote:
The specs says (source: at 48 seconds of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-geMVv3LKk)

Mid: 360 lumens for 185 minutes
High: 1200 lumens for 105 minutes

step-down. 1200 lumens equals at least 3 × 360 lumens, so runtime should be at least a third of 185 minutes, meaning less than an hour. So there must be a step-down.
This light is also an example of what I wrote in my previous post; the 1200 lumens is only at start-up with fresh 4.2V cell. As the cell depletes, so does output.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-geMVv3LKk (link is external)
Check out the comments on that video

The Reviewer says it stays on the Turbo mode till the battery drains out. (Fingers crossed) Hope that’s True

I think it’s a bit tricky. I believe to have read on an occasion that he was wrong about a technical issue. An output/time test would show what we (all) would like to see; minor gradual step-down is difficult to notice compared to a discrete step-down. But the Wuben is supposed to blink when it steps down, so dunno… Look at the run time data of the Niwalker MM20EB here: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/50482
It’s of course a different light, but there is no active step down present either; the light looses brightness gradually. This must also be the case with the Wuben to obtain the specified runtime.

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9930wilson wrote:
hIKARInoob wrote:
The specs says (source: at 48 seconds of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-geMVv3LKk)

Mid: 360 lumens for 185 minutes
High: 1200 lumens for 105 minutes

step-down. 1200 lumens equals at least 3 × 360 lumens, so runtime should be at least a third of 185 minutes, meaning less than an hour. So there must be a step-down.
This light is also an example of what I wrote in my previous post; the 1200 lumens is only at start-up with fresh 4.2V cell. As the cell depletes, so does output.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-geMVv3LKk (link is external)
Check out the comments on that video

The Reviewer says it stays on the Turbo mode till the battery drains out. (Fingers crossed) Hope that’s True

I checked the comments and also saw this, from another comment there:
“My light does step down on the highest setting, something to do with the heat”

to which the reviewer answered:
“I have yet to see my sample cycle down due to heat”

I’m not sure if the reviewer did the cycle down, of course, but I also don’t think a flashlight could hold at 1000 lm from a 4.2V to a 2.8V battery. Neither due to the voltage, nor the heat!
But, I’m not specialist here and I have to go to sleep Big Smile

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How about the eagle eye x6r?

John 12:46 “I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.” Genesis 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
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9930wilson wrote:
From what I have read, the wuben lt35 doesnt have a stepdown setting for turbo mode. Maybe cause it has dedicated fins for cooling??

It doesn’t.
Pretty much all the Zoomie-lights have the same flaw – the whole head moves – and the heatsink is on this head, but doesn’t really have contact to the part that gets hot (because it has to move without any problems).
The SK98 stands out here – it has the heasink after the moving parts – but you pretty much can’t get a “good” version of this light nowadays.

I would say that you should get rid of the “must have zoom”-thing.
I have 3 SK98 here and barely use them because modern flashlights cover the same stuff just as well – you don’t really need that zooming feature – it’s just a nice thing to have but it drops the possibilities of the flashlight so much that it’s imo nonsense to have.
I would get a C8 + 18650 with inbuilt charger

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A zoomie usually don’t have good thermal path to the outside. Especially those still uses threaded pill.
To get palm sized 1000 lumens flashlight running continously until the battery can no longer support (assuming no step down timer built in and it has good thermal path) is easy:
Wrap it in wet small towel or bandana. I successfully did this on occasions.

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Modded an SK98 yesterday with FET driver and dedomed SST40 LED. Hollow pill, but I used a copper Noctigon star with extra Arctic Silver 5 at the edges.

The heatsinking is excellent. I ran the light for about 5 minutes on max on a Sony VTC5 today. The moving bezel got very hot and the body tube around the heatsink fins got quite hot. The rest of the body tube was merely hot.

However, even after all that time at max, no part of the light got too hot to touch. Kudos to the Sipik 98 design for having all that heatsinking.

That said, today, I salvaged the H17F driver I had in the SK98 and put it in a different, smaller and more streamlined zoomie. I use my zoomies as pocket EDC lights and the SK98 with its awkward raised ring near the tailcap and sharp crenelated bezel just isn’t pocket friendly.

Too bad the Aleto N8 zoomie is impossible to find. That light was one of the smallest 18650 zoomies around and had heatsink fins on the body like the SK98.

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Like everyone says, get two budget lights. One for general use with a nice spread and another for throw. The most budget I can think of for these are Eagle Eye X2R running XM-L2 for general use and X6R running HP-L HI for long distance.

I camp a lot and have never felt the need for anything brighter than 20 lumens around camp. For night hikes, one might maybe need 150-300 lumens, but I usually find it easier to walk with 30-50 lumens especially in a small group.

The only need for 1000 lumens I have is for wildlife watching after dark, and that’s when the X6R comes in. It’s pocketable, cheap, and throws out to a decent distance for 8-10x binoculars.

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If you’re still unwilling to change your criteria, a Brinyte B158 XPL-HI is the only thing I can think of, except it doesn’t have onboard charging.

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dhvl1357 wrote:
Like everyone says, get two budget lights. One for general use with a nice spread and another for throw. The most budget I can think of for these are Eagle Eye X2R running XM-L2 for general use and X6R running HP-L HI for long distance.

I camp a lot and have never felt the need for anything brighter than 20 lumens around camp. For night hikes, one might maybe need 150-300 lumens, but I usually find it easier to walk with 30-50 lumens especially in a small group.

The only need for 1000 lumens I have is for wildlife watching after dark, and that’s when the X6R comes in. It’s pocketable, cheap, and throws out to a decent distance for 8-10x binoculars.

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A decent headlamp and a compact thrower is all you need for most camping trips. Add an ultra small keychain light attached to your bag/jacket zip for backup.

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Like others have said, there’s no light that fulfills all the requirements. However, to get constant 1000 lumens with a zoomie, the Fenix FD65 might fit the bill. No USB charging, not pocketable, not cheap though.

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I do see the advantages of a zoomie for sure.
OP you have to realize 900 or 1000 lumens is both bright.
The difference between 1 and 101 luems is easy to see, 101 and 201 also, but 900 and 1000 ia very close to the human eye.
I’d say the Convoy BD zoomie, stash the little charging clip under the spring of the tail and you have a very nice light that can be charged from a powerbank and can be used during that. It is a clicky side switch so no parasitic drain and it is good waterproof.
A NW tint might give lower official lumen but ypu will still see more and with a diffuser as simple as a plastic drinking cup you can use it as table top light too where the nice tint helps again.

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Oh and the BD series fits 26650 cells, so you can use 18650 and if 20700 and 21700 take off and get to high mAh values (with Tesla actively researching this might just be the highest energy dense cells in a few years) you can use it, something a 18650 light will not allow you to do.