1200 vs 6000lm what's the difference?

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1200 vs 6000lm what's the difference?

Odd topic title I know.

I’m considering this light as a starting point.

That flashlight comes in 1200 and 6000 lumen. I like sliding switch but have no idea how good it works. It also has 3 modes. There is no description but I assume it works the same as other brand. Just slide trough the 3 modes and press to switch to stepless dimming. If that’s even possible with a magnetig switch….?

Let me start with saying the 6000lm likely is overly positive. So let’s say it’s 2400. That’s still double. Even my 650lm BD04 gets a bit hot at max. Likely that would get problematic at 2400 lm on this not so big flashlight.

Battery life is important to me that’s why I like this cell format. Still compact. But lotsa power.

Anyway ontopic now. 1200 vs 6000lm.

My use:
a] I’m not using the light to light up something hundres of meters away like often is mentioned in the specs
b] I mostly use it for walking in basements, woods, backyard. Just to keep me from tripping and finding still. Sometimes large barn or smaller factory halls without light (obiously)
c] I also want low light for reading labels on for example spraycans. Even my 650lm Convoy reflects to much so I turn it down to 60lm or so. High powered flashlights often don’t go that low. Stepless dimming should do the trick. But I can’t imagine the theory differs from real life.
d] Floody is very welcome.

Does brighter flashlight have soem advantage for me. Mostly using it within a 20 yard range.
I’ll likely change the led for a high CRI and lower temp. So the current has to match the requirements of the high CRI led, which I think don’t get even close to 6000 lm.

Chargers: 1xBasen BD01 5/5, 1x Gyrfalcon All-88 4/5, LiitoKala: 3x100 3/5, 2x202 3/5, 1x402 3/5., MiBoxer C4-12 3/5.
Flashlights: DQG Tiny III 26650 5/5, FiTorch MR35 3/5, Haikelite SC26 HD 3/5, Lumintop Tool AA/AAA 4/5, Nitecore LA10, Sofirn C01 BLF 3200k/5600k 2/5, Zebralight H600Fc 3/5.
Powerbanks: EasyAcc 26800 mAh 3/5, Xtar PB2 4/5, Xtar PB2S 5/5
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Fake output. Xml2 can only output about 1000 lumens. No way that light will output 6000lms unless it’s using a xhp70.2 driven to the max.

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I highly doubt that light is 6000 lumens. Also, not a Cree LED. Lots of exaggerated lumen ratings and “fake” LEDs around.

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From a single xm l2 you can get not more than 1000 lm.

I suppose you can see others items claiming real lumens or something like that on banggood.

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So both are perhaps just 1200 or 1000.

For the sake of discussion lets assume the lights are 1200 and 4000.
Let’s say from a top brand with real specs.
What would be the best option for me considering the usage scenario I described?

Chargers: 1xBasen BD01 5/5, 1x Gyrfalcon All-88 4/5, LiitoKala: 3x100 3/5, 2x202 3/5, 1x402 3/5., MiBoxer C4-12 3/5.
Flashlights: DQG Tiny III 26650 5/5, FiTorch MR35 3/5, Haikelite SC26 HD 3/5, Lumintop Tool AA/AAA 4/5, Nitecore LA10, Sofirn C01 BLF 3200k/5600k 2/5, Zebralight H600Fc 3/5.
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start90a wrote:
From a single xm l2 you can get not more than 1000 lm.

I suppose you can see others items claiming real lumens or something like that on banggood.

Dunno Banggood is accurate.
2000 lm from a XM T6

But the price is surely very good….

Chargers: 1xBasen BD01 5/5, 1x Gyrfalcon All-88 4/5, LiitoKala: 3x100 3/5, 2x202 3/5, 1x402 3/5., MiBoxer C4-12 3/5.
Flashlights: DQG Tiny III 26650 5/5, FiTorch MR35 3/5, Haikelite SC26 HD 3/5, Lumintop Tool AA/AAA 4/5, Nitecore LA10, Sofirn C01 BLF 3200k/5600k 2/5, Zebralight H600Fc 3/5.
Powerbanks: EasyAcc 26800 mAh 3/5, Xtar PB2 4/5, Xtar PB2S 5/5
Waiting for: (DQG Tiny) 21700 EDCs.

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ZoomieFan wrote:
start90a wrote:
From a single xm l2 you can get not more than 1000 lm.

I suppose you can see others items claiming real lumens or something like that on banggood.

Dunno Banggood is accurate.
2000 lm from a XM T6

But the price is surely very good….

How can you say the price is good if you don’t know any of the components? If it’s an XM-L, it’s probably something around 500 – 600 lumen. A bit less if it’s a fake Cree. Not all are bad, but the tint is really ugly most of the time. For a couple of bucks more you already get a Convoy S2+.

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Stepless dimming, sounds like you need the Narsil User Interface.
So buy yourself a BLF Q8, or an Emisar D4 Cool

For the rest, the difference between 100 and 1000 lumens is a lot. The difference between 1000 and 2000 is much less (to me at least)

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If I may recommend an alternative, I would suggest you look at the Emisar D4 with the Nichia 219C emitters from MTN electronics or intl-outdoor.

Throw sucks, but my god it produces a beautiful HCRI floody beam.

Infinitely variable levels from low to ludicrously high. User interface is cool, press and hold and it starts at lowest mode and ramps up, single click turns it off. A single click turns it back on at the level you left it. Double click from off to go straight to the highest setting.

Double click while on to toggle between current ramped level and highest output.

Be warned, it gets HOT on max, use it with high output cells.

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lmns wrote:
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start90a wrote:
From a single xm l2 you can get not more than 1000 lm.

I suppose you can see others items claiming real lumens or something like that on banggood.

Dunno Banggood is accurate.
2000 lm from a XM T6

But the price is surely very good….

How can you say the price is good if you don’t know any of the components? If it’s an XM-L, it’s probably something around 500 – 600 lumen. A bit less if it’s a fake Cree. Not all are bad, but the tint is really ugly most of the time. For a couple of bucks more you already get a Convoy S2+.


I said it’s good because it’s really cheap and am planning (as I wrote in my first post) to replace the led with a low temp, high cri led. Perhaps also another driver.
If only the body is good then it’s still a good deal for $3.95.

Chargers: 1xBasen BD01 5/5, 1x Gyrfalcon All-88 4/5, LiitoKala: 3x100 3/5, 2x202 3/5, 1x402 3/5., MiBoxer C4-12 3/5.
Flashlights: DQG Tiny III 26650 5/5, FiTorch MR35 3/5, Haikelite SC26 HD 3/5, Lumintop Tool AA/AAA 4/5, Nitecore LA10, Sofirn C01 BLF 3200k/5600k 2/5, Zebralight H600Fc 3/5.
Powerbanks: EasyAcc 26800 mAh 3/5, Xtar PB2 4/5, Xtar PB2S 5/5
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Don’t forget that a driver with Narsil UI will cost you around 17 USD, then you will need a decent host with nice square threads, (instead of the crappy triangular ones which will dissappear after some rough use) and you will need a good DTP mcpcb with LEDs and optics which is around 16 USD as well, so please do yourself a favor and just buy the D4 Cool

https://intl-outdoor.com/emisar-d4-high-power-led-flashlight-p-921.html?...

Or from M4DM4X / Neal with some discount

https://m4dm4x.com/neals-deals-emisar/

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I’m not a diver, nor a photographer.
But I heard around about archon, maxtoch, acebeam, haikelite diving lights.
Maybe also a nitecore one..

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Yokiamy wrote:

Or from M4DM4X / Neal with some discount

https://m4dm4x.com/neals-deals-emisar/

Is there a code from M4DM4X to lower the cost on the Neal’s Deals page? I don’t see any price difference…

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Probably you need to register, if i’m correct the price is a couple of dollars less using M4DM4X compared to intl outdoor.
EDIT, just checked, it seems the prices have changed and the prices are now similar! Too bad, so it’s no deal anymore.
Neal is very busy lately, Chinese newyear coming up and he is just married, so it will be sent, but communication from him will be at minimum.

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gravelmonkey wrote:
Yokiamy wrote:

Or from M4DM4X / Neal with some discount

https://m4dm4x.com/neals-deals-emisar/

Is there a code from M4DM4X to lower the cost on the Neal’s Deals page? I don’t see any price difference…

Nop, there is not Wink

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Yokiamy wrote:
Don’t forget that a driver with Narsil UI will cost you around 17 USD, then you will need a decent host with nice square threads , (instead of the crappy triangular ones which will dissappear after some rough use) and you will need a good DTP mcpcb with LEDs and optics which is around 16 USD as well, so please do yourself a favor and just buy the D4 Cool

https://intl-outdoor.com/emisar-d4-high-power-led-flashlight-p-921.html?...

Or from M4DM4X / Neal with some discount

https://m4dm4x.com/neals-deals-emisar/


Emisar looks great. Also for cold winters….
Do you have similar advice for a 32650 ot 26650 light

Chargers: 1xBasen BD01 5/5, 1x Gyrfalcon All-88 4/5, LiitoKala: 3x100 3/5, 2x202 3/5, 1x402 3/5., MiBoxer C4-12 3/5.
Flashlights: DQG Tiny III 26650 5/5, FiTorch MR35 3/5, Haikelite SC26 HD 3/5, Lumintop Tool AA/AAA 4/5, Nitecore LA10, Sofirn C01 BLF 3200k/5600k 2/5, Zebralight H600Fc 3/5.
Powerbanks: EasyAcc 26800 mAh 3/5, Xtar PB2 4/5, Xtar PB2S 5/5
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I do not have any experience with 32650 cells, nor flashlights that carry them, sorry.

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26650?

Chargers: 1xBasen BD01 5/5, 1x Gyrfalcon All-88 4/5, LiitoKala: 3x100 3/5, 2x202 3/5, 1x402 3/5., MiBoxer C4-12 3/5.
Flashlights: DQG Tiny III 26650 5/5, FiTorch MR35 3/5, Haikelite SC26 HD 3/5, Lumintop Tool AA/AAA 4/5, Nitecore LA10, Sofirn C01 BLF 3200k/5600k 2/5, Zebralight H600Fc 3/5.
Powerbanks: EasyAcc 26800 mAh 3/5, Xtar PB2 4/5, Xtar PB2S 5/5
Waiting for: (DQG Tiny) 21700 EDCs.

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The only 26650 i own is a Convoy L6, which is still stock, but thats quite a light, 3800 lumen on turbo.
Good compromise between output and runtime, and the quality is fantastic, solid as a rock, but its not for Everyday Carry.

There are several threads about it, and there are plenty of parts available to modify it. In stock it’s already great, but it’s a great host to modify as well.

It all depends on your criteria, what do you think is important on a light?

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ZoomieFan wrote:
26650?

Budget light: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/52132

More expensive but one of the lights I adore without having it: Klarus G20 Wink
Member Fin17 usually has some code for this one , check here: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/52547

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Yokiamy wrote:

https://intl-outdoor.com/emisar-d4-high-power-led-flashlight-p-921.html?...

Or from M4DM4X / Neal with some discount

https://m4dm4x.com/neals-deals-emisar/

I got a bit sick of trying to chose… so I just bought a FiTorch MR35.

I’m going to buy the one you suggested too.
Two questions.
A] What cells does it take? Button, flat or raised. All?
B] “floody 10623 optic instead of 10622 clear optic ( +$1.00 )”
How much more floody? I have a Convoy BD04. How do both optics compare to that flood wise. If they are cheap and easy to replace I might buy both but see no option for that.

Chargers: 1xBasen BD01 5/5, 1x Gyrfalcon All-88 4/5, LiitoKala: 3x100 3/5, 2x202 3/5, 1x402 3/5., MiBoxer C4-12 3/5.
Flashlights: DQG Tiny III 26650 5/5, FiTorch MR35 3/5, Haikelite SC26 HD 3/5, Lumintop Tool AA/AAA 4/5, Nitecore LA10, Sofirn C01 BLF 3200k/5600k 2/5, Zebralight H600Fc 3/5.
Powerbanks: EasyAcc 26800 mAh 3/5, Xtar PB2 4/5, Xtar PB2S 5/5
Waiting for: (DQG Tiny) 21700 EDCs.

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ZoomieFan wrote:
Yokiamy wrote:

https://intl-outdoor.com/emisar-d4-high-power-led-flashlight-p-921.html?...

Or from M4DM4X / Neal with some discount

https://m4dm4x.com/neals-deals-emisar/

I got a bit sick of trying to chose… so I just bought a FiTorch MR35.

I’m going to buy the one you suggested too.
Two questions.
A] What cells does it take? Button, flat or raised. All?
B] “floody 10623 optic instead of 10622 clear optic ( +$1.00 )”
How much more floody? I have a Convoy BD04. How do both optics compare to that flood wise. If they are cheap and easy to replace I might buy both but see no option for that.

I don’t know the difference, but mine are clear optics on the Emisar D4. LEDs are XP-G2 S4 3D (5000K). My guess is that the “floody” optics will improve the beam at close range and maybe give you less throw. For a close range it will probably make it better.
About the cells, I would recommend Sony US18650VTC6 , non protected batteries.
Some beamshots of the Emisar D4 to see the beam.
First at 45m, second at 70m.

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ZoomieFan wrote:
26650?

How about the L6, Convoy’s big thrower? The L6 is $45-$50 with a coupon or discount code.

Convoy recommend protected Keeppower 5200mAH 26650 batteries for the L6.

Left to right: S2+, S2+, C8, L6

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Yokiamy wrote:
Don’t forget that a driver with Narsil UI will cost you around 17 USD, then you will need a decent host with nice square threads, (instead of the crappy triangular ones which will dissappear after some rough use) and you will need a good DTP mcpcb with LEDs and optics which is around 16 USD as well, so please do yourself a favor and just buy the D4 Cool

+1 on the D4
Beautiful light and user interface, but gets very hot very fast on high and turbo. Great during the cold winter

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1200 vs 6000lm what’s the difference?

4800 Lumen Facepalm

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the battery alone will cost $30
plus it is too big to go in a pocket

i would skip it and look for BLF A6 or Astrolux S1 with warm beam
single 18650
1500-2000 lumens with good battery

or the convoy lights others mentioned.

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a battery for the D4?
30$?
Are you using Lithium-Gold batteries?
5$ https://www.gearbest.com/batteries/pp_196913.html

Edit: If you mean the L6 – yes, it’s a “bit” too big for a regular pocket, but the batteries are still just a bit over 10$ for both if you use Liitokalas

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no, i meant that diving light the OP mentioned, 32650 cell

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Chargers: 1xBasen BD01 5/5, 1x Gyrfalcon All-88 4/5, LiitoKala: 3x100 3/5, 2x202 3/5, 1x402 3/5., MiBoxer C4-12 3/5.
Flashlights: DQG Tiny III 26650 5/5, FiTorch MR35 3/5, Haikelite SC26 HD 3/5, Lumintop Tool AA/AAA 4/5, Nitecore LA10, Sofirn C01 BLF 3200k/5600k 2/5, Zebralight H600Fc 3/5.
Powerbanks: EasyAcc 26800 mAh 3/5, Xtar PB2 4/5, Xtar PB2S 5/5
Waiting for: (DQG Tiny) 21700 EDCs.

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32650 6500mAh for $11.43 https://www.gearbest.com/batteries-and-cases/pp_1126199.html

ok then, the OP is welcome to a 2 lb pocket and ‘‘6000 lumens’‘ Smile

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wle wrote:
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32650 6500mAh for $11.43 https://www.gearbest.com/batteries-and-cases/pp_1126199.html

ok then, the OP is welcome to a 2 lb pocket and ‘‘6000 lumens’‘ Smile

wle


No idea about the weight of the cell. It’s just that that diameter is about the max. to hold comfortably. High mAh and still pretty small.
BTW I don’t want such cells for extreme lumens but for runtime. Yes, I know I can also swap 18650 cells Smile

Chargers: 1xBasen BD01 5/5, 1x Gyrfalcon All-88 4/5, LiitoKala: 3x100 3/5, 2x202 3/5, 1x402 3/5., MiBoxer C4-12 3/5.
Flashlights: DQG Tiny III 26650 5/5, FiTorch MR35 3/5, Haikelite SC26 HD 3/5, Lumintop Tool AA/AAA 4/5, Nitecore LA10, Sofirn C01 BLF 3200k/5600k 2/5, Zebralight H600Fc 3/5.
Powerbanks: EasyAcc 26800 mAh 3/5, Xtar PB2 4/5, Xtar PB2S 5/5
Waiting for: (DQG Tiny) 21700 EDCs.