Why are there almost no protected flat top 18650’s?
To be “protected”, you need the board on one end, usually the negative, and the sense-strip running to the positive end. To secure that strip at the positive end, you need a cap on top of the nekkid positive terminal, and usually that’s with a button-top cap.
Most are double-wrapped, with the sense-strip running between the 2 wraps, others like the panny-B just have Kapton tape covering the strip, which is then visible.
Most probably figure that if you’re sticking a cap on it already, you might as well make it a button-top so it’ll look like conventional cells and fit in holders, etc., without the need for nipples, springs, etc.
Why are there almost no protected flat top 18650’s?
I’ve only been able to find one, at an online vape site with no real assurance of it being genuine.
18650 batteries are made as flat tops because they are almost exclusively used in battery packs so a tab must easily be welded onto it.
Protected 18650’s are for a niche market that the producer never intended, protection therefore is always added as an aftermarket process by a different manufacturer.
I think button tops are added then because they are more versatile, and there are not many devices that exclusively work on flat tops.
Tennergy made what could be considered protected flat tops ...
My guess on why 3.7 volts is because nimh and nicad etc are 1.2v and three cells combined equal 3,6v which if I remember correctly was a number more commonly used than 3.7v. I'm sure there is a better answer ..but hey "there are no stupid answers "
2 – How good can a triple 14500 (XP-G2, 15mm or 17mm MTN DD driver) flashlight be? Is it too much for a 14500 cell, even with small “turbo boosts”?
If you use a Efest 650mah purple It might do pretty good judging by djozz“s test. Top 14500 cell out at the moment.
I’ll take a guess, maybe 2100 lumen’s at start and falling fast.
2 – How good can a triple 14500 (XP-G2, 15mm or 17mm MTN DD driver) flashlight be? Is it too much for a 14500 cell, even with small “turbo boosts”?
If you use a Efest 650mah purple It might do pretty good judging by djozz“s test. Top 14500 cell out at the moment.
I’ll take a guess, maybe 2100 lumen’s at start and falling fast.
Hum, nice to know that! I have 2 Efest IMR ready for it! Just need to find the “perfect” host to try it!
Those numbers are good, but of course will be quick fall, for sure! I will use it for small bursts probably!
How do those million volt hand held stun devices I see advertised produce that much voltage from a battery that small?
They’re “Chinese volts”, kinda like “Chinese lumens”. You know, how a 3×AAA light with Latticebright XP-E lookalike chip can produce 2,0005,000 8,000 lumens.
How do those million volt hand held stun devices I see advertised produce that much voltage from a battery that small?
They’re “Chinese volts”, kinda like “Chinese lumens”. You know, how a 3×AAA light with Latticebright XP-E lookalike chip can produce 2,0005,000 8,000 lumens.
How do those million volt hand held stun devices I see advertised produce that much voltage from a battery that small?
They’re “Chinese volts”, kinda like “Chinese lumens”. You know, how a 3×AAA light with Latticebright XP-E lookalike chip can produce 2,0005,000 8,000 lumens.
Now THAT is funny
Actually, I thought I was just being a wiseass, but:
And the really bad thing, is there are uninformed people that fall for it.
And they think its the greatest thing ever since a 2D mag is what there use to until I pull out my D4.
How do those million volt hand held stun devices I see advertised produce that much voltage from a battery that small?
They’re “Chinese volts”, kinda like “Chinese lumens”. You know, how a 3×AAA light with Latticebright XP-E lookalike chip can produce 2,0005,000 8,000 lumens.
Yes and no.
Sure most of those ratings are exaggerated. But producing a high voltage from just a single battery is no rocket science. The problem is when you want some power. Meaning, increasing the amps. Those devices might have a huge voltage but there current is very low. Dont forget that just 20mA (out of my head, exact figure can be slightly different) trough your heart could kill you.
You might ask now, but why is a hot rod flashlight that is pushing 10 or more amps to the emitter not dangerous?
That’s because the voltage is too low. Our skin has a very high resistance and thus a low voltage wont hurt us. That’s also why many (‘insulating’) materials that are being used in or around electrical equipment are rated to a certain voltage. Above that there is a possibility that the electricity can go trough it.
They’re “Chinese volts”, kinda like “Chinese lumens”. You know, how a 3×AAA light with Latticebright XP-E lookalike chip can produce 2,0005,000 8,000 lumens.
I went to my father last weekend and he was proud for his new “very bright light, as bright as the one you gave me a few years ago”, which he purchased locally online for 10-15 euros.
The one he referred to was this: http://www.dx.com/p/aurora-ak-p7-5-ha-iii-ssc-p7-c-2-mode-900-lumen-led-... and no, his new light isn’t that bright. It has a generic XP-E sized led pushing 100-150 “throwy” lumens, due to the tiny emitter. I was carrying an S41 Nichia at the time with a fresh Q30 which I shined to the ceiling saying something like “that’s not bright, this is bright”. My brother nearly choked laughing.
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Let a flooder be my wife and a thrower be my mistress
I went to my father last weekend and he was proud for his new “very bright light, as bright as the one you gave me a few years ago”, which he purchased locally online for 10-15 euros.
Uh-oh. I know the rest of this story…
Aleister wrote:
The one he referred to was this: http://www.dx.com/p/aurora-ak-p7-5-ha-iii-ssc-p7-c-2-mode-900-lumen-led-... and no, his new light isn’t that bright. It has a generic XP-E sized led pushing 100-150 “throwy” lumens, due to the tiny emitter. I was carrying an S41 Nichia at the time with a fresh Q30 which I shined to the ceiling saying something like “that’s not bright, this is bright”. My brother nearly choked laughing.
Yeah, I’ve gotten that. “Lookit my bright new light!!” Love when I get the follow-up “It’s probably even brighter’n yours!”, referring to my little 1-mode ~500lm ’502.
Then we turn off the lights and do a ceiling-bounce test. Yeah, their “bright” lights are probably 100lm-150lm.
My favorite was a LB-fueled C8 wannabe. Sure, nice tight hotspot, quite bright, but 100lm concentrated into a small disc. Just for s&g, I trot out my C8A. The C8-wannabe illuminates the room, kinda, sorta. My C8A lights up the room as if someone flicked on the room-lights.
I went to my father last weekend and he was proud for his new “very bright light, as bright as the one you gave me a few years ago”, which he purchased locally online for 10-15 euros.
Uh-oh. I know the rest of this story…
Aleister wrote:
The one he referred to was this: http://www.dx.com/p/aurora-ak-p7-5-ha-iii-ssc-p7-c-2-mode-900-lumen-led-... and no, his new light isn’t that bright. It has a generic XP-E sized led pushing 100-150 “throwy” lumens, due to the tiny emitter. I was carrying an S41 Nichia at the time with a fresh Q30 which I shined to the ceiling saying something like “that’s not bright, this is bright”. My brother nearly choked laughing.
Yeah, I’ve gotten that. “Lookit my bright new light!!” Love when I get the follow-up “It’s probably even brighter’n yours!”, referring to my little 1-mode ~500lm ’502.
Then we turn off the lights and do a ceiling-bounce test. Yeah, their “bright” lights are probably 100lm-150lm.
My favorite was a LB-fueled C8 wannabe. Sure, nice tight hotspot, quite bright, but 100lm concentrated into a small disc. Just for s&g, I trot out my C8A. The C8-wannabe illuminates the room, kinda, sorta. My C8A lights up the room as if someone flicked on the room-lights.
I just wish I had an audience for that one.
Oh man, I just thought that since I carry a Nitecore Tini on my keys, I should be shining that instead of my pocket light. That little thing amazes me every time I turn it on, I can’t imagine how it will look to the eyes of a non flashaholic holding a full sized 100-150 lumens “Police Tactical 10000 lumens Maybefire”
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Let a flooder be my wife and a thrower be my mistress
2) Driver recommendations for a max-effort Trustfire TR-J19 – running 3x XHP70.2 P2 1A (likely 2S/6V)?
I have a TR-J19 which can run either 32650 2S or 3S, with a really bad driver in it. It’s been collecting dust since I bought it, and I want to update it. It’s massively heavy so it can take a lot of heat.
I recently purchased a BLF X5/X6 driver from Banggood, and it produces a bright flash when switching to low, even from off. Do they all do that?
Many different drivers do that and the electronics experts have a good explanation for the phenomenon. There are design options for drivers that prevent it. That is all I know.
To be “protected”, you need the board on one end, usually the negative, and the sense-strip running to the positive end. To secure that strip at the positive end, you need a cap on top of the nekkid positive terminal, and usually that’s with a button-top cap.
Most are double-wrapped, with the sense-strip running between the 2 wraps, others like the panny-B just have Kapton tape covering the strip, which is then visible.
Most probably figure that if you’re sticking a cap on it already, you might as well make it a button-top so it’ll look like conventional cells and fit in holders, etc., without the need for nipples, springs, etc.
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
18650 batteries are made as flat tops because they are almost exclusively used in battery packs so a tab must easily be welded onto it.
Protected 18650’s are for a niche market that the producer never intended, protection therefore is always added as an aftermarket process by a different manufacturer.
I think button tops are added then because they are more versatile, and there are not many devices that exclusively work on flat tops.
link to djozz tests
Anyone knows if this is available in black? Convoy tube holster
Words can be broken,
so can bones.
i only know THIS one
WTB: Jetbeam TCR-1 or Sunwayman V10R Ti
Yep me too but apparently this just came out. But a pity i dont see it offered in black
Words can be broken,
so can bones.
Tennergy made what could be considered protected flat tops ...
My guess on why 3.7 volts is because nimh and nicad etc are 1.2v and three cells combined equal 3,6v which if I remember correctly was a number more commonly used than 3.7v. I'm sure there is a better answer ..but hey "there are no stupid answers "
καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει καὶ ἡ σκοτία αὐτὸ οὐ κατέλαβεν
Dc-fix diffuser film >… http://budgetlightforum.com/node/42208
Candela and lux. How can they be simply explained to an idiot? (me)
I guess it can
I was also inspired by the mod in the first link, so I made mine (2nd link)!
Take a look on these threads
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/23416
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55881
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My turn for some “stupid” questions
1 – Are there “ready to use” lighted forward clicky switches? If so, where can I find them?
2 – How good can a triple 14500 (XP-G2, 15mm or 17mm MTN DD driver) flashlight be? Is it too much for a 14500 cell, even with small “turbo boosts”?
3 – Is there any slim flashlight head (ex: Thorfire TG06, or similar) that possibly fits the body of an Astrolux X5? If so, which one?
Thanks in advance for eventual answers to these questions
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WTB: Jetbeam TCR-1 or Sunwayman V10R Ti
If you use a Efest 650mah purple It might do pretty good judging by djozz“s test. Top 14500 cell out at the moment.
I’ll take a guess, maybe 2100 lumen’s at start and falling fast.
V11R and V10R Current Mod
Hum, nice to know that! I have 2 Efest IMR ready for it! Just need to find the “perfect” host to try it!
Those numbers are good, but of course will be quick fall, for sure! I will use it for small bursts probably!
Thanks for your answer
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Why do we keep hoarding flashlights?
How do those million volt hand held stun devices I see advertised produce that much voltage from a battery that small?
It's only true if you believe it.
They’re “Chinese volts”, kinda like “Chinese lumens”. You know, how a 3×AAA light with Latticebright XP-E lookalike chip can produce
2,0005,0008,000 lumens.09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Now THAT is funny
Tonights forecast, 100% chance of dark.
Actually, I thought I was just being a wiseass, but:
8000lm
https://www.ebay.com/i/311963824250?chn=ps&var=610753387762&dispItem=1
8000lm
https://www.ebay.com/i/352164003192?chn=ps&dispItem=1
10,000 lm!!!1111oneoneone
https://www.ebay.com/i/391001550220?chn=ps&dispItem=1
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
And the really bad thing, is there are uninformed people that fall for it.
And they think its the greatest thing ever since a 2D mag is what there use to until I pull out my D4.
V11R and V10R Current Mod
Yes and no.
Sure most of those ratings are exaggerated. But producing a high voltage from just a single battery is no rocket science. The problem is when you want some power. Meaning, increasing the amps. Those devices might have a huge voltage but there current is very low. Dont forget that just 20mA (out of my head, exact figure can be slightly different) trough your heart could kill you.
You might ask now, but why is a hot rod flashlight that is pushing 10 or more amps to the emitter not dangerous?
That’s because the voltage is too low. Our skin has a very high resistance and thus a low voltage wont hurt us. That’s also why many (‘insulating’) materials that are being used in or around electrical equipment are rated to a certain voltage. Above that there is a possibility that the electricity can go trough it.
I went to my father last weekend and he was proud for his new “very bright light, as bright as the one you gave me a few years ago”, which he purchased locally online for 10-15 euros.
The one he referred to was this: http://www.dx.com/p/aurora-ak-p7-5-ha-iii-ssc-p7-c-2-mode-900-lumen-led-... and no, his new light isn’t that bright. It has a generic XP-E sized led pushing 100-150 “throwy” lumens, due to the tiny emitter. I was carrying an S41 Nichia at the time with a fresh Q30 which I shined to the ceiling saying something like “that’s not bright, this is bright”. My brother nearly choked laughing.
Let a flooder be my wife and a thrower be my mistress
Uh-oh. I know the rest of this story…
Yeah, I’ve gotten that. “Lookit my bright new light!!” Love when I get the follow-up “It’s probably even brighter’n yours!”, referring to my little 1-mode ~500lm ’502.
Then we turn off the lights and do a ceiling-bounce test. Yeah, their “bright” lights are probably 100lm-150lm.
My favorite was a LB-fueled C8 wannabe. Sure, nice tight hotspot, quite bright, but 100lm concentrated into a small disc. Just for s&g, I trot out my C8A. The C8-wannabe illuminates the room, kinda, sorta. My C8A lights up the room as if someone flicked on the room-lights.
I just wish I had an audience for that one.
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Probably by self inductance from a coil, which can generate very high voltages (probably not 1 million volts though)
WTB: Jetbeam TCR-1 or Sunwayman V10R Ti
Oh man, I just thought that since I carry a Nitecore Tini on my keys, I should be shining that instead of my pocket light. That little thing amazes me every time I turn it on, I can’t imagine how it will look to the eyes of a non flashaholic holding a full sized 100-150 lumens “Police Tactical 10000 lumens Maybefire”
Let a flooder be my wife and a thrower be my mistress
Put simply, because it's the voltage produced by the battery chemistry that they use.
Different chemistries produce different voltages.
Can AMC 7135 380mA chips be stacked on top of 350mA chips?
Thanks.
Yes, no problem.
link to djozz tests
Ok thanks! (again)
I recently purchased a BLF X5/X6 driver from Banggood, and it produces a bright flash when switching to low, even from off. Do they all do that?
My turn!
1) Can you DD an XHP70.2 with 3S/9V?
2) Driver recommendations for a max-effort Trustfire TR-J19 – running 3x XHP70.2 P2 1A (likely 2S/6V)?
I have a TR-J19 which can run either 32650 2S or 3S, with a really bad driver in it. It’s been collecting dust since I bought it, and I want to update it. It’s massively heavy so it can take a lot of heat.
Many different drivers do that and the electronics experts have a good explanation for the phenomenon. There are design options for drivers that prevent it. That is all I know.
link to djozz tests
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