With 2 x 18350 Bestinone.net IMR @ 4.10V, measured 0.756A at the tail
Throw figure @ 45 metres, 42.1 lux. 85,252 cd @ 1m uncorrected figure. Corrected for 10% (my meter under-reads at least that amount), we get 93.6k cd.
Measurement taken at about 1 minute mark, ambient temperature 29 deg C. So you could go past 100k in a cold environment, maybe more. Haven't tried with ice, maybe next time.
Solarforce Masterpiece Pro-1 XR-E R2 ceiling bounce with 2 cells, 22.1 lux. DBS aspheric is 15.9 lux. LOL!
So Saabluster and tatjmagic are correct. This thing can throw.
PS. If you are getting this, the important thing is that you need to select the 2 cell pill, ie i got the 3SM and using it with 2 x 18350. It holds max output much longer, actually over the entire discharge curve. If you use 1 cell like 1 x 18650, it would just run in max output for what....5-10 mins and then taper down.
BTW, it is imperative to measure at 50m. Even at that range, you have to work a bit to find the PBCP spot. The hotspot at that range is just about 1.5m.
I have both the Solarforce MPP-1 (and body tubes in the whole Solarforce lineup) and CL1H V4 and DBS V3 body tubes. In my opinion the Dereelights are quite a bit better.
Square threads for the Dereelights, not so for Solarforce.
The MPP-1 head cutting is quite sharp as well...the Dereelight is just a joy to hold.
I have both Solarforce and Dereelight clips, i like the Dereelight better (not that it matters, coz i don't really like clips anyway LOL!)
The HA in the Solarforce tends to chip off too. In fact one local flashaholic was so outraged with Solarforce with the L2P, the thread is both in here and CPF. Mine has minor chipping too.
The Solarforce S8 is crazy though. No chipping. It seems that the L2P/L2X do chip.
Body tube thickness, at least from the tail end, is like 2X thicker for the Dereelight than the Solarforce.
Aww shucks, forgot to take a picture with the Solarforce MPP-1! But trust me, it makes the Solarforce MPP-1 look like child's play in terms of intensity. The hotspot of the DBS Aspheric is actually like 10% larger.
MPP-1 full HA setup would be $60 with registered shipping? 1 mode, so no such thing as PWM. This is 79.8 w registered shipping. 3 modes, no PWM. And you can swap it out with a XM-L pill for 50k cd performance and 600 lumens OTF. (I have the T6 3C, from the CL1H V4, now only 54 bucks shipped)
This thing visibly out-throws my TK70 at a 600m target. Actually i can barely make out the TK70 spot even with binos, but Dereelight DBS no issue at all.
I think the lux @ 1m only tells part of the story. Coz the TK70 got just 5% lower figures at the exact same spot which i measured the Dereelight DBS. And mind you i measure at 45-50 metres. This is because this is an aspheric....the focus is key.
Part of the reason could be that the TK70 throws out a huge cone of light. Hence through the air, the beam is quite visible as it is quite thick. This lowers the visibility of the hotspot at target. This phenomenon can be seen here.
DBS aspheric and then TK70 (last one is Sanmak 5200)
At 100k throw it would stomp the MPP-1 for sure. One light I still lack is a pure thrower, mainly because I really dont have a need for one. It would basically just be a toy for me. However, I wonder what kind of numbers my HID with 55W bulb with the 100W ballast/8.5" reflector would do in the throw category.
And one more question. If this light is such a great thrower, then why is it only about 250 lumens or so? I guess I don't undertand how it can be brighter than the TK70 as for lux reading at 1 meter. Please explain if you will.
If you get 4 DBS V3 aspherics, it would be 1000 lumens and have a hotspot that is only twice in diameter than the original one. It doesn't take much to reach 2200 lumens, just another 4 more DBS aspherics, but only increase of what 33% in diameter? (someone do the math pls)
Also, aspherics are a bit different from reflector setups. As you can see, the hotspot is even a wee wee bit bigger than the Solarforce MPP-1, but lux figure is twice as much.
In fact on a reflected ceiling bounce, the Solarforce MPP-1 registers 22.1 lux. The DBS aspheric registers a paltry 15.9 lux. Actually the DBS aspheric is like ~ 160 lumens OTF only. Thing is, nobody is going to do ceiling bounce or light up a big room with this. This is for outdoors use only.
Short arcs can be in the 2000 lumens range, but do 12 million cd and throw for several miles.
You can see the corona lighting up some parts beside the Crelant 7G5 hotspot. Also there is the spill light, but of course for such comparisons it does nothing.
Actually the DBS aspheric is like ~ 160 lumens OTF only. Thing is, nobody is going to do ceiling bounce or light up a big room with this. This is for outdoors use only.