Here is a video showing what this light is capable of after modding:
Here is the cheat sheet for the GT, this driver is basically the same when it comes to the user interface, mostly back end changes since then.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AedRK8ZgsmBVSkaYz4TRmKrbfP0chHR7
If you need an MT09R for me to mod, Terry is selling them here with a large discount since they currently do not have a driver. He can ship them directly to me for modding.
https://hesaidshesaidsales.com/shop?olsPage=products%2Fhaikelite-mt09r-t...
I am offering the following services for the MT09R and MT03 owners out there that want a bit more power from their lights or just want a far far better driver then what came in the lights from the factory.
The XHP70.2 version with either the 4000k or 5700k LED’s are hitting over 20k lumens consistently after modding.
Basically you are adding a Q8 amount of power or more to the light along with Q8 style firmware (the latest Narsil 1.3 vs the Q8 1.0).
I am also using this thread as a build log for the lights I am building, the posts below are taken from the MT09 thread of lights I built last week.
The MT09 driver with your choice of XHP35 or XHP70.2 and choice of 50% ramp or 100% ramp built and tested – $20 + shipping
Shipping in the US Should be $2.90 with tracking, international will need to contact me. I can customize the mode groups and other parts of the firmware as well, such as the moon level, thermal stepdown speed, among other options. Contact me for custom options. Custom options will be $5 since I have to edit and recompile the firmware.
The production drivers will most likely take 4-6 weeks before they are in peoples hands, so this is a way to get a new driver quickly. They should be shipping next week.
Labor for mcpcb removal, LED reflow, reinstall for either xhp35 or xhp70.2 + Driver install and test – $25
Labor for Driver install without LED reflow is $15 which includes my base $5 fee for modding any light to cover my time dealing with said light such as testing, handling, packing, shipping, ect)
Spring by-pass on all 5 springs (the carrier springs are fun to get to) – $10
I do not recommend spring bypass on xhp35 lights, it could overdrive the LED’s they pull right around 8-9A without bypasses which is perfect.
3x XHP70.2 LED’s in the tint and bin of your choice – $35
3x XHP35 LED’s in the tint of your choice – $25
Dedome XHP70.2 emitters – $15
I will slice the dome off all 3 XHP70.2 emitters. I have not tried this in an MT09R yet but in the GT the results were impressive. It increased throw a whopping 40%+! It also makes the hot spot tighter and reduces the dark spot in the middle of the beam. The tint does shift slightly warmer and slightly to the yellow side when dedoming the XHP70.2 but not nearly as bad as emitters from yesteryear.
Return shipping cost for an MT09R is $12 for priority mail in the USA. Contact me for quote on international shipping. I am happy to ship internationally if you pay for shipping.
Laser engraving the TA logo on the light – $8
I can also laser engrave whatever you want if you send it to me, contact me for custom laser engraving quotes. Laser engraving will add up to a week or more to the turn around time of the light.
The options for the xhp70.2 LED’s are as follows, be aware that until a particular reel of LED’s is tried we do not know the lumen output.You can figure it will be a lot better then the stock LED’s though. My guess is 20k+ lumens for these.
I could also mix tints if you wanted as well
Highest P2 bin 70cri XHP70.2 tints:
5700k
4000k
1 bin below P2 – N4 bin 5000k 70cri (should be really close to the Q8 tint)
80cri xhp70.2 Tint options:
4000k – Shown to consistently do 20-23k lumens depending on the LED lottery
3000k – NASA had me install these into a GT for them, looks like an incandescent light, pretty neat actually
In the real world the 80cri have a much lower forward voltage and usually are only a little behind the 70cri in lumens from my testing. For example the P2 4000k in my L6 was a bit over 9k lumens and my 80cri M4 bin 4000k is around 8500 lumens, it just pulls about a fair amount more current to do that.
I can also get different xhp35 HI tints as well:
70cri D2 bin 5700k
80cri C4 bin 4500k
80cri C2 bin 4000k
80cri C2 bin 3000k
XHP35 HD (HD has the dome still on it, a bit less throw but more lumens, I like them in everything but a dedicated thrower myself):
70cri E4 5700k
80cri C4 5700k
70cri D4 5000k
70cri D4 4500k
70cri E2 4000k
80cri D2 3000k
For the LED mods, please place your order as soon as possible so I can combine the LED order. I will most likely place the LED order on Monday or Tuesday. If I have to place an order for just one lights worth of LED’s then I will have to add in the $8 shipping to me for the LED’s
All shipping costs need to be paid by the buyer of course. If I get several people ordering the LED mods at once the order should qualify for free shipping.
Terry have a few MT09R’s left in stock as a big discount since they do not have drivers. You can have him ship them directly to me for modding if you want
Anyone that is interested please PM me and I will give you the payment details.
The drivers are on a first come, first served basis. I don’t think I will be making another batch unless there is a lot of demand. I underestimated how much work it is to make these drivers in bulk.
I would also be interested in trades as well, I am looking for several electronics and computer items. A 12-14.1” laptop for my Mom, about 8-12tb worth of hard drives, a NAS, media streaming box and some reasonably nice monitors (23”+ with display port preferably).
Or let me know what you have.
My LED Test series - XP-L2 V5 - Nichia 219C 90+ CRI - Latticebright "XM-L" - XHP35 & PWM efficiency - XHP50 - XP-L V5 - XM-L2 U2 - XP-G3 S5 - XP-L HI V2 - Oslon Square & direct comparison to Djozz tests - Nichia 319A - Nichia 219B 9080 CRI - Nichia 219C D320 - Nichia 229AT - XHP70.2 P2 - XHP50.2 J4 - Samsung LH351D
Here are some reviews of these mods by members:
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For those just ordering the drivers, the wiring is pretty simple.
LED + to LED + pads
LED – to LED – Pads
Black switch wire to the RECTANGLE switch GND pad
Red switch wire to the RECTANGLE switch V+ pad
Yellow switch wire to the circle SWLED pad
Snip the end of the blue wire off and stuff it down into the driver cavity.
Everyone should recalibrate the thermal settings of the lights to your own preference
The firmware is setup for a 55c thermal regulation by default but the temp sensor has a ~15-20 degree range which can have it too hot or too cool for some people. If you want your light a different temperature you can easily recalibrate it in the firmware.
See the Narsil Cheat sheet for more info. You want the thermal regulation setting. It is menu 3 when in ramping mode, option 2.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0v3MZNiBWcDQmpwRjRyRFp5SFk
These posts are in order from the MT09R thread to bring everyone up to date.
I just placed an order this morning for another $400 worth of LED’s and components and if the 20 MT09R’s that terry is trying to get to fulfill the waiting list comes through I am sure I will have to make a few more orders like that. I am both hurt and glad to see an order like that lol.
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I just got NKresho’s light finished, he got some 5000k emitters from my personal stash and his light is now doing ~21k lumens.
I am going to try and get the individual driver orders finished tonight and then going to call it a night. Might get another light done in the morning tomorrow.
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OMG! This light is now a work of art! Was just out in a field blasting 4000k 80cri’s…awesome tint (everything is brown here right now…took it up against another 9000lumen CW light I have and this thing had way more throw and the tint a nice natural yellowish, while the CW was certainly stark white and blueish. Could definitely tell your light with its tint was a better light up than the cool white. CW was kinda washed out, glarey…while the 70.2 4000k 80CRI was much much brighter, but didnt seem to throw any glare. Almost a magical tint compared to some CW’s and NW’s I have. It almost did appear 3x brighter…if one can even see that…it certainly had way more throw and filled up a much bigger area of the field and trees I was at.
Thanks again for this upgrade…it is quite amazing! Be nice if Haikelite was putting these out for less than the $250 it cost me (base plus upgrades). If they could guarantee they were making the light you sent me…they would knock it out of the park and light up the forums. Its like an insane Q8 now!
Ramping is perfect speed, and its so reassuring to watch it obviously step down as it gets too hot.
A+++++
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This is the reason why I didn’t buy Q8
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Finally had time to go outside with my 70.2 and …. Man Without Shadow has already said it better than I can. For me this is now a light worth $250.00
I think it is worth it just for the tint, but the wow factor is right up there with it.
Nice!!! I bet you have a pretty big shadow now, Mr. Man Without Shadow.
I’m really glad you took this project on TA, sounds like a blast… literally.
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Me too. I have sent my both mt09r in xhp70.2 and xhp35 for the upgrade.. i am a big fun of cw.. so i went with the 5700k tint.
Thanks for the feedback! Glad they are proving worth the time and effort. This is why I do this whole flashlight thing.
I just hope that Haikelite (and other manufactures) take note of the results that just a little more thought, time, effort and yes, money into a light can have. I have offered my help to many manufactures but most don’t see to take it seriously.
Makes me think about just making my own flashlight brand and doing it my way……….
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Good to see that several of the lights have arrived now and are working for the end users. It is always a little never racking with a new driver design to see it working in the wild.
I do agree though, this light is now one of my favorite lights. I can’t wait to try an mt03 though, the one I built the other day really looked great for a monster flooder.
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My LED Test series - XP-L2 V5 - Nichia 219C 90+ CRI - Latticebright "XM-L" - XHP35 & PWM efficiency - XHP50 - XP-L V5 - XM-L2 U2 - XP-G3 S5 - XP-L HI V2 - Oslon Square & direct comparison to Djozz tests - Nichia 319A - Nichia 219B 9080 CRI - Nichia 219C D320 - Nichia 229AT - XHP70.2 P2 - XHP50.2 J4 - Samsung LH351D
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Yeah, the results are making it worth the time. Like usual I never expected it to take so much time when I accepted the job lol.
Plus modding these lights is helping to make up for the “discount” I gave haikelite for the drivers themselves. The funny thing is that had they just had me do it from the start as I offered, they could have paid me 2x my asking price and still come out $10k++ ahead of the losses they have sustained from these bad drivers.
I love seeing happy people with monster lights, that makes it all worth it in the end though. Even I get a smile every time I turn on my MT09R. It is so much more refined then my prior 18k+ lumen lights and a FAR better tint.
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My LED Test series - XP-L2 V5 - Nichia 219C 90+ CRI - Latticebright "XM-L" - XHP35 & PWM efficiency - XHP50 - XP-L V5 - XM-L2 U2 - XP-G3 S5 - XP-L HI V2 - Oslon Square & direct comparison to Djozz tests - Nichia 319A - Nichia 219B 9080 CRI - Nichia 219C D320 - Nichia 229AT - XHP70.2 P2 - XHP50.2 J4 - Samsung LH351D
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Yep, your lights showed up today. Not sure if I will get any done tomorrow or how many. Got a birthday in the family so I will be busy most of the day.
I should get to it the next day though, I hope to knock out most of the lights I have now then.
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My LED Test series - XP-L2 V5 - Nichia 219C 90+ CRI - Latticebright "XM-L" - XHP35 & PWM efficiency - XHP50 - XP-L V5 - XM-L2 U2 - XP-G3 S5 - XP-L HI V2 - Oslon Square & direct comparison to Djozz tests - Nichia 319A - Nichia 219B 9080 CRI - Nichia 219C D320 - Nichia 229AT - XHP70.2 P2 - XHP50.2 J4 - Samsung LH351D
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lol TA I can't let you have all of the fun...
This is what a real TA driver can do.
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I wish you do start your own brand! You will have my full support!
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My LED Test series - XP-L2 V5 - Nichia 219C 90+ CRI - Latticebright "XM-L" - XHP35 & PWM efficiency - XHP50 - XP-L V5 - XM-L2 U2 - XP-G3 S5 - XP-L HI V2 - Oslon Square & direct comparison to Djozz tests - Nichia 319A - Nichia 219B 9080 CRI - Nichia 219C D320 - Nichia 229AT - XHP70.2 P2 - XHP50.2 J4 - Samsung LH351D
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You stole the idea for my follow up video lol.
Most likely will still do it, just cause. It is fun setting stuff on fire for some reason.
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My LED Test series - XP-L2 V5 - Nichia 219C 90+ CRI - Latticebright "XM-L" - XHP35 & PWM efficiency - XHP50 - XP-L V5 - XM-L2 U2 - XP-G3 S5 - XP-L HI V2 - Oslon Square & direct comparison to Djozz tests - Nichia 319A - Nichia 219B 9080 CRI - Nichia 219C D320 - Nichia 229AT - XHP70.2 P2 - XHP50.2 J4 - Samsung LH351D
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Damn, I hope you do!
I am fresh in this hobby, but persoally, i would buy all the lights you would make!
As a matter of fact, I am just now trying to get my hands on one of these MT09R’s, since you upraded them
LOL we still have to stay with the please don't try this at home...
I honestly just wanted to see if the stock NW emitters would do it as easily. I know what the output I am getting is so I was pretty sure that it would work without a problem... Honestly it sets it off much faster than I had though it would. I think we timed it to around 15 seconds and there was flames.
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Okay guys I have spoke to Dale and I will be posting tomorrow what we have agreed on. I hate that I an keeping you all hanging for 24 more hours but I have had to arrange shipping to a different location which is a totally different story.
It does look like I will easily be able to cover anyone that is still interested and I will do the official post tomorrow of exactly what should be shipping to me.
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Thanks for the encouragement. Never know what the future may hold.
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Subscribing, as I am getting TA to mod the MT03 II using the same driver.
I found some new LED options at another supplier that are a little more expensive but if people wanted them I could order them as well since they are interesting.
XHP35 HD E4 bin (highest bin possible) 5000k
XHP35 HD D4 bin 4500k 80cri – These are what I plan to use in my own MT09R xhp35 light
After shipping and tax these would be $30 for a set.
These will not fit in the mt09 but I have not seen anyone use them yet, I got one before and did some quick tests before I managed to kill it when putting an optic on.
XHP50.2 H2 bin 5000k 90cri. I was really impressed with the tint on this LED when used with a TIR optic, a nice bright white.
Also going to special order some 90cri 4500k XHP50.2, it will take a few months but they should be my dream LED’s. Gonna order some extras to sell as well. Just not sure what the demand will be. I have already had interest in about 6-8 of them so thinking I will order 20.
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Hey guys.
Okay after over a week of negotiating I finally have some MT09R 70.2 lights on the way.
This was not at all easy to accomplish. The company did not want to ship out any at all until after the new driver has been completed and installed in the lights.
That will still be several weeks from now, so I have been working on this for the last week and here is the arrangement I was able to finally accomplish.
First, I would like to ask if we could all no longer say modify when we are referring to the driver. Yes, TA is hand assembling these drivers himself (Thanks very much for that by the way) but, the design will be exactly the same once Haikelite begins producing the drivers themselves in 5 possibly 6 more weeks. So, the driver actually will be the same as the stock driver. I had some one mention to me on YouTube that my video was a modified version and it is not at all. My personal light even still has stock NW emitters. Haikelite has contracted TA for this driver design and as long as the exact plans are followed the drivers should be the same. So as far as the driver is concerned it really is not a mod we are just lucky enough to have the designer building us enough of them for us himself.
Now emitter swap out sure that is totally a modification.
Now on to the good parts.
I am only getting 30 units total and only 2 colors. The 2 colors are Blue and Green.
I will be getting 15 of each of them and all are shipping with only NW Neutral White emitters which actually perform far better than the CW Cool white emitters did. The reason is just as TA suspected they are a much higher quality. I just wanted to be sure everyone knows this while making decisions.
TA naturally has access to even higher bin and quality emitters that still perform even better than the stock NW.
My personal 70.2 for now I have left the stock NW emitters and I am easily getting 20k lumen. TA has a wide variety to offer that are getting into 22k lumen and a little above.
I am not sure how well everyone understands wholesale, but I am sure that TA can agree with this. By them only allowing me to order 30 units total instead of 75 to 100 units I lose about a 30 percent discount I would be getting for purchasing more units. So, the price will be a little more but really not much more and still nowhere close to full retail.
Being that all of the lights are the same except for the color choice the price will be the same. And Dale is going to go nuts when he reads this. The price is $120.00 and that includes my shipping costs to TA. After shipping I will clear about 14 to 18 dollars per unit and PayPal still gets a nice little cut of that so that will put me closer to 12 per unit.
All of this shipment will come to me without drivers. I saw no need at all to have the old driver installed only to have it removed.
You can still request shipping directly to you and order the driver from TA and you can install in yourself if that is an option some of you may want.
Also I do have I think 4 or 5 of the original drivers in my repair stock if someone wants to just have the original driver installed.
I already have the lights entered into my stores inventory and it is simple there are only 2 choices. The color, green or blue. All emitters are the same.
Please make sure that you send me a PM or email at hesaidshesaidsales@charter.net and let me know where you want your light shipped. Please include your full name and address as it will show on your PayPal account.
I will begin shipping all orders out on the same day which is the 18th. That is as fast as I could get them here and that cost a ton by the way.
If I have forgotten anything please feel free to ask but, I think I have covered most of what may be asked at least my part of it lol.
By the way I asked Texas Ace about international shipping and he is willing to ship outside of just the US and Canada provided the customer pays the shipping. So now a lot of you guys that wanted in on these deals can be included as well...
Here is the URL directly to the purchase page https://hesaidshesaidsales.com/shop?olsPage=products%2Fhaikelite-mt09r-triple-cree-702
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Ok, some very sad news on my end today.
I was celebrating a family birthday party today and the LED emitters were supposed to be delivered, I also had several packages that were supposed to be picked up.
After literally shipping and receiving well over 30k packages at this location and no one in the neighborhood ever having had a package stolen it seems someone chose today to break our perfect record.
The tracking number shows that the LED’s were delivered but there is no box anywhere in sight.
Then to add insult to injury the packages I was shipping have not had any tracking updates yet. It is possible it is just the normal delay in the usps system but I won’t know until tomorrow.
I honestly have no idea what is going to happen with this, Fedex is running a trace and will talk to the driver in the morning and I am going to talk to the mail lady tomorrow.
The LED order was $400 and I was shipping 2 mt09R’s today + some other stuff. Needless to say I am praying that the packages were picked up successfully and that fedex will cover the LED’s order.
I will keep everyone updated. I am now going to go drown my sorrows in birthday cake and try to heal my faith in humanity by remembering that humans invented cake.
I will finish the mods regardless, not to worry, I deliver on my promises. My profits should just cover a replacement order of LED’s
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I hope you will get your led package and pray usps picked up the outgoing package. Finger crossed.
That’s bad news indeed! I’ve had situations like this before where tracking says it’s delivered to my house but it doesn’t show up until a few days later. Hopefully it’ll turn up later. Enjoy your birthday cake and family tonight and don’t think about it.
Would it be possible to see a video of both the xhp70 and xhp35 version?
There are videos on my YouTube channel and those were the previous drivers. I have 1 of the 35 high with version 1 of TA's driver showing a 822 yard shot lighting up a water tower.
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