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I’m done with that particular subject, but no matter what you want to discuss, it’s all political to a greater or lesser degree.

So many knife-related threads here, and this same discussion can be carried over to them, practically word for word.

Lasers? OMG, you might shine them at a plane… ban them!!

“Too bright” flashlights? Well, you might attract unwanted/unintended attention camping or on the water and have it be interpreted as an SOS. Regulate them!

Or people right here being stopped by the militsiya for walking with “unusual” flashlights. A C8, yet! Imagine a Q8! Shocked

That’s how nuts the world is nowadays.

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These SHENYU bats the OP linked look better than a lot of the others I’ve seen, I can see why they’re selling well. I’ve seen these re-branded and priced around $50-$60. It looks like they do have a very thick tube, but I wonder if they maintain that thickness in the front half section? And the 36cm also is available with 1*18650, interesting looking “dummy cell“spacer, I’m curious what its function is since the AA version runs on 3* AA.

Anyone have one of these SHENYU models?

Very thick walled (5mm):………………………………………………………..And nice knurling for grip:
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it’s not 5mm. I have the 49cm version and a 44cm copy and they are only thick near the battery.
They weigh less than 400g.

The original Shenyu is threaded in the middle so on impact it could break because that’s the weakest point.
The copy is better because is threaded near the end.
The LED and lens don’t have any impact protection so they will probably break too…

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Lightbringer wrote:
I’m done with that particular subject, but no matter what you want to discuss, it’s all political to a greater or lesser degree.

So many knife-related threads here, and this same discussion can be carried over to them, practically word for word.

Lasers? OMG, you might shine them at a plane… ban them!!

“Too bright” flashlights? Well, you might attract unwanted/unintended attention camping or on the water and have it be interpreted as an SOS. Regulate them!

Or people right here being stopped by the militsiya for walking with “unusual” flashlights. A C8, yet! Imagine a Q8! Shocked

That’s how nuts the world is nowadays.

Ain’t that the truth!

Well, I guess I just got a bit miffed of another thread starting to turn political, Tired went from bat flashlights to guns/school shootings/protests. It’s not that I wouldn’t want to discuss it elsewhere, it’s just not what I came here for, kinda takes the fun out of it.

It really wasn’t as bad as I made it out to be, I know I could have just said nothing and ignored it or unsub this thread, guess I’m just feeling grumpy tonight and thought I’d voice my opinion too Oops please ignore…sorry for being a sissy-pansy crybabie. Silly

 

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it’s not 5mm. I have the 49cm version and a 44cm copy and they are only thick near the battery.
They weigh less than 400g.

The original Shenyu is threaded in the middle so on impact it could break because that’s the weakest point.
The copy is better because is threaded near the end.
The LED and lens don’t have any impact protection so they will probably break too…

Thanks for the feedback. That’s why I really like the X-110 / X-119 / SF Gladiator, it’s basically all one piece and thick throughout its entire length.

At first I thought the extra long Jaxman was a good idea (post #13) but then I thought the same thing about it breaking at all those threaded connections.

 

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I’d disagree with you here. We don’t have a problem with school shootings. Only a handful in, well, pretty much all of US history, isn’t technically a problem.

It’s like having the “problem” of drunk driving, then setting out to ban all cars. Sure, quite a few innocent people are killed by drunks behind the wheel, but not so many as to justify the 99.999% of legitimate beneficial use of cars. It’s the nut behind the wheel that’s the problem.

Point being, they’re only “problems” because the media distorts reality to make it so. Blacken out the identities of the shooters so that no one will ever ever know them, ie, they don’t get to “live on in infamy”, and those sickos won’t go looking for attention.

Maybe my post wasn’t clear.

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I do have to note that the US has a problem with school shootings getting a lot of attention.

I think we are in agreement, my meaning was that our problem is they get a lot of attention. We do not set priorities. The government wants to ban you from protesting by asking do you have anything to hide/reason to use it?

And to be fair to the high school kids, if I was in high school, I wouldn’t want to worry about being shot at. They don’t know better than to protest. They aren’t ghandi, they are just kids who don’t want to be shot while they’re at school. I asked my cousin who is in school what she thinks of them. She hates them. Probably because shes in school.

We can ask lawmakers to help, seeing as its perfectly legal to shoot schoolchildren as of the year 2018, I really do see a benefit of more severe laws (if they made it illegal to shoot people I think it would cut down crime 100%). I hope that they change the law so it is illegal to shoot or kill others, especially children and hopefully this will prevent further crimes.

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Man, reading about you guys in the UK…. I can’t believe your ability to defend your own life, and the life of your loved ones, is so strictly regulated! I read an article last month about a man in London that confronted 2 intruders in his home, had a struggle with one, and stabbed the bad guy with the BAD GUY’S OWN screw driver. The OWNER OF THE HOUSE WAS ARRESTED FOR MURDER Facepalm Facepalm Facepalm

You guys need to quit voting in politicians that make their citizens unarmed, helpless victims! [End rant]

Assuming we’ree talking about the same case, the guy was released without charge. What do you expect the police to do if they turn up to a scene and there’s a dead guy? Just accept the alive guy’s story and leave? I think that if a relation to you was killed, you’d want the police to arrest the guy, while they figure out wtf happened.

I think this was actually a good example of UK law working properly (ignoring the death that’s the homeowner has received from the friends/family of the burglar who died)

I don’t feel like my ability to defend myself or my loved ones is overly regulated, I don’t feel like I would be any safer with a “bat-light”, even if it were legal. I’m sorry the US is so violent that you guys need such things, I hope that in the future brings more peace.

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Come on guys. The original post is for interest in this type of light. The thread is going political. I do not want to get into this type of argument. Let’s do this

1. Interested party list names, etc…

2. Non interested party illegal just say pass and be done with it.

This way there will be no drama for political laws, etc….

Sounds fair?

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I was walking my dog tonight with my intensely bright modded TR-1200 when a cop was driving by and stopped. He got out of the car and couldn’t stop gushing about how bright the light was and where he might get one. As you’re supposed to do, I informed him that I have a CC permit and I was carrying. His reaction? No problem at all. We talked about guns for a few minutes and he got in his car and left. Being an American in a part of the country that hasn’t lost it’s mind yet is the greatest thing in the world!

I directed him to BLF so hopefully he’s a new member soon.

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What does all this self-emasculated reactionary whining have to do with BLF special edition products? Or is the plan to have a flashlight with inflatable bladder and a little hand pump. You know I mean, right?

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Lightbringer yes you do have a problem with school shootings.
I live in an european country in which all guns are banned! I wish we could own guns, but not like in the US where any pissed off kid can get a weapon!

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I may be a bit crazy, but as a weapon light, I would just take a Haikelite MT09R or an Emisar D4.

Why? For the MT09R, I could just shine it in their face and burn their retinas off.

For both of them, I would get close and shine them at their face as closely as possible, to burn them to a crisp.

Would not be exactly legal though Evil

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Amusing how US vs non-US logic works. One side thinks regulating weapons and other potentially harm-inflicting apparatus will get the country to turn into a purge-like situation with too much regulation. The other side thinks the exact same thing will happen with too little regulation. In the meanwhile, violence isn’t correlated with gun regulation at all. Maybe specific types of events, but not violence statistics in general. The only correlation that actually sticks is more education and better paying starter positions equals less social risk situation and that equals less violence

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OK, if this was about me disagreeing with guns in the USA this thread would already be shut down, but since it seems ok for USA (and other countries) members to have their say (and feeling sorry for us??), I will have my say too.
I don’t want guns, knives or anything like that being legal in the UK to carry on the streets or in the house and I’d appreciate our overseas members keeping their opinions to themselves in regards to what we can and can’t do in our country – as I do with guns etc. If you want a gun here for sports it is not a problem – so long as you don’t want to shoot 500 rounds per minute……and own 20 machine guns.
I sleep VERY safely at night with absolutely no need for either a gun or a knife, or a bat, and all that garbage that has been said about the guy defending himself is just crap, of course you can – but you don’t always have to kill someone to do it, though obviously on EXTREMELY rare occasions that may happen.
As it is if someone in the UK breaks into a property at night and gets disturbed they 90%+ of the time they will run away and no one gets hurt, they just want cash/quick sell goods – now put a gun in all their hands……. now I need to get a gun to defend my family, probably someone will end up dead. (I really DO understand that, if the robber almost certainly had a gun then of course I’d sleep easier with one too) but we don’t have that issue, and I never want it.
There are illegal guns/knives in the UK but gangs tend to shoot each other with them , not the general public, if they do our armed Police deal with it swiftly and efficiently – I’ll happily have it that way please.
Sorry that had to be said, and if it gets me banned so be it.

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G0OSE wrote:
OK, if this was about me disagreeing with guns in the USA this thread would already be shut down, but since it seems ok for USA (and other countries) members to have their say (and feeling sorry for us??), I will have my say too.
I don’t want guns, knives or anything like that being legal in the UK to carry on the streets or in the house and I’d appreciate our overseas members keeping their opinions to themselves in regards to what we can and can’t do in our country – as I do with guns etc. If you want a gun here for sports it is not a problem – so long as you don’t want to shoot 500 rounds per minute……and own 20 machine guns.
I sleep VERY safely at night with absolutely no need for either a gun or a knife, or a bat, and all that garbage that has been said about the guy defending himself is just crap, of course you can – but you don’t always have to kill someone to do it, though obviously on EXTREMELY rare occasions that may happen.
As it is if someone in the UK breaks into a property at night and gets disturbed they 90%+ of the time run away and no one gets hurt, they just want cash/quick sell goods – now put a gun in all their hands……. now I need to get a gun to defend my family (I really DO understand that, if the robber almost certainly had a gun then of course I’d sleep easier with one too) but we don’t have that issue, and I never want it.
There are illegal guns/knives in the UK but gangs tend to shoot each other with them , not the general public, if they do our armed Police deal with it swiftly and efficiently – I’ll happily have it that way please.
Sorry that had to be said, and if it gets me banned so be it.

You have the ‘right’ to run away. We have the right to defend ourselves. It all makes sense now. Thanks for sharing! Wink

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DavidEF wrote:
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OK, if this was about me disagreeing with guns in the USA this thread would already be shut down, but since it seems ok for USA (and other countries) members to have their say (and feeling sorry for us??), I will have my say too. I don’t want guns, knives or anything like that being legal in the UK to carry on the streets or in the house and I’d appreciate our overseas members keeping their opinions to themselves in regards to what we can and can’t do in our country – as I do with guns etc. If you want a gun here for sports it is not a problem – so long as you don’t want to shoot 500 rounds per minute……and own 20 machine guns. I sleep VERY safely at night with absolutely no need for either a gun or a knife, or a bat, and all that garbage that has been said about the guy defending himself is just crap, of course you can – but you don’t always have to kill someone to do it, though obviously on EXTREMELY rare occasions that may happen. As it is if someone in the UK breaks into a property at night and gets disturbed they 90%+ of the time run away and no one gets hurt, they just want cash/quick sell goods – now put a gun in all their hands……. now I need to get a gun to defend my family (I really DO understand that, if the robber almost certainly had a gun then of course I’d sleep easier with one too) but we don’t have that issue, and I never want it. There are illegal guns/knives in the UK but gangs tend to shoot each other with them , not the general public, if they do our armed Police deal with it swiftly and efficiently – I’ll happily have it that way please. Sorry that had to be said, and if it gets me banned so be it.
You have the ‘right’ to run away. We have the right to defend ourselves. It all makes sense now. Thanks for sharing! Wink

WOW talk about missing the point entirely…….. we don’t need to run away, nor (for the most part) defend ourselves that is the point. I won’t say any more, mock all you want.

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You just wrote:

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As it is if someone in the UK breaks into a property at night and gets disturbed they 90%+ of the time run away and no one gets hurt, they just want cash/quick sell goods

What point did I miss?

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We don’t (for the most part) have to defend ourselves either. But if we need to, we can. Wink

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Sadly the UK seems to be going down hill. Muslim rape gangs and people getting arrested for being offensive. It could be worse at least we aren’t France or Sweden. I’d prefer to be able to own a gun but I’ll have to settle for a maglite unless anyone can recommend a better flashlight that doesn’t have a head the size of the elephant man.

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DavidEF wrote:
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As it is if someone in the UK breaks into a property at night and gets disturbed they 90%+ of the time run away and no one gets hurt, they just want cash/quick sell goods

What point did I miss?

I think a typo hasn’t helped here David – I meant they run away, not me. Of course if you’d rather I shot them over a laptop or something well, we’ll have to disagree there.
We live in different worlds. I tried to stress that, but perhaps I failed, I’m sorry. I certainly would rather not get into an argument about it though. In fact I wish the subject never got raised, but I AM allowed to have my opinion on such things.
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DavidEF wrote:
G0OSE wrote:
OK, if this was about me disagreeing with guns in the USA this thread would already be shut down, but since it seems ok for USA (and other countries) members to have their say (and feeling sorry for us??), I will have my say too.
I don’t want guns, knives or anything like that being legal in the UK to carry on the streets or in the house and I’d appreciate our overseas members keeping their opinions to themselves in regards to what we can and can’t do in our country – as I do with guns etc. If you want a gun here for sports it is not a problem – so long as you don’t want to shoot 500 rounds per minute……and own 20 machine guns.
I sleep VERY safely at night with absolutely no need for either a gun or a knife, or a bat, and all that garbage that has been said about the guy defending himself is just crap, of course you can – but you don’t always have to kill someone to do it, though obviously on EXTREMELY rare occasions that may happen.
As it is if someone in the UK breaks into a property at night and gets disturbed they 90%+ of the time run away and no one gets hurt, they just want cash/quick sell goods – now put a gun in all their hands……. now I need to get a gun to defend my family (I really DO understand that, if the robber almost certainly had a gun then of course I’d sleep easier with one too) but we don’t have that issue, and I never want it.
There are illegal guns/knives in the UK but gangs tend to shoot each other with them , not the general public, if they do our armed Police deal with it swiftly and efficiently – I’ll happily have it that way please.
Sorry that had to be said, and if it gets me banned so be it.

You have the ‘right’ to run away. We have the right to defend ourselves. It all makes sense now. Thanks for sharing! Wink
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G0OSE wrote:
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You just wrote:
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As it is if someone in the UK breaks into a property at night and gets disturbed they 90%+ of the time run away and no one gets hurt, they just want cash/quick sell goods

What point did I miss?

I think a typo hasn’t helped here David – I meant they run away, not me. Of course if you’d rather I shot them over a laptop or something well, we’ll have to disagree there.
We live in different worlds. I tried to stress that, but perhaps I failed, I’m sorry. I certainly would rather not get into an argument about it though. In fact I wish the subject never got raised, but I AM allowed to have my opinion on such things.

I think we can both agree that we can each have our own, vastly different opinions – at the same time – without one of us having to ‘change’ the other’s mind. Sorry if I came across as mocking. I’m not very good at being tactful or diplomatic. I’m pretty hard to offend, and I tend to expect the same from others.

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DavidEF wrote:
G0OSE wrote:
DavidEF wrote:
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As it is if someone in the UK breaks into a property at night and gets disturbed they 90%+ of the time run away and no one gets hurt, they just want cash/quick sell goods
What point did I miss?
I think a typo hasn’t helped here David – I meant they run away, not me. Of course if you’d rather I shot them over a laptop or something well, we’ll have to disagree there. We live in different worlds. I tried to stress that, but perhaps I failed, I’m sorry. I certainly would rather not get into an argument about it though. In fact I wish the subject never got raised, but I AM allowed to have my opinion on such things.
I think we can both agree that we can each have our own, vastly different opinions – at the same time – without one of us having to ‘change’ the other’s mind. Sorry if I came across as mocking. I’m not very good at being tactful or diplomatic. I’m pretty hard to offend, and I tend to expect the same from others.

David, honestly it is a pleasure to agree/disagree with you – everyone is different, as are the circumstances in their country. As I said if it were the same there as here, I’d probably feel the same, in fact I’d have to really. Thumbs Up Beer as it is here a bark from a big grumpy Rottweilers suffices… for now ! (to be fair they would more likely lick them to death, but don’t tell the burglars!!)

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Rottweilers do tend to be protective, especially of children. My sister bought an adult Rottweiler from a friend of hers and kept her in the house. The Rottie had never shown any aggression in her life. But, one time when my sister’s husband tried to discipline their toddler daughter, the Rottie jumped up and barked at him and nearly bit him! They knew from then on that they never had to worry about anyone harming their daughter with the Rottie around! Big Smile

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Indeed they do, we have had 3 now – the first was a diamond of a dog. She would circle the pram and us when we went out (wasn’t taught that), but 1 single word from me and she’d fall back to my heel and stay there no matter what until I told her different. The one we have now is a complete softy and she’d be anyone’s for a biscuit and a cuddle! that said she does have the best bark and growl out of all 3 (for scaring unwanted night visitors should it arise)

I have to apologise to the OP of course too, we have kinda derailed their thread……I feel ever so guilty about that. Sorry, really. Facepalm

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I want one just for the fun of it.

Many of us would try to buy a quality version just to keep in the house or garage for a conversation piece, many people own various knives, edged weapons and blunt or martial arts weapons that they can’t carry or use, but are cool to have.

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OOOHH! Cool! I got Rude! points! I haven’t had those in a while! I guess we did break the rules a little with our “political” talk, huh? Facepalm

Anyway, hope you guys find a light that meets your needs without getting you in trouble with the authorities…

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DavidEF wrote:
Rottweilers do tend to be protective, especially of children. My sister bought an adult Rottweiler from a friend of hers and kept her in the house. The Rottie had never shown any aggression in her life. But, one time when my sister’s husband tried to discipline their toddler daughter, the Rottie jumped up and barked at him and nearly bit him! They knew from then on that they never had to worry about anyone harming their daughter with the Rottie around! Big Smile

Where I live, the only thing that threatens my safety is irresponsible owners of large and dangerous dogs. I’m not saying that’s you, just saying that dog owners in general need to realize they pose a threat to completely innocent strangers, especially children. It’s like scattering land mines on the road in front of your house, or walking around with a gun pointed at every stranger.

IMO, pitbulls are the absolute worst, and the breed should be sterilized and eliminated in a generation. But, yes, I get that pitbull owners think they are adorable and the friendliest pets ever… until one day they snap.

BTW, 2 nights ago I actually made a dog stop… for a brief second, when it was barking at me and chasing me on my bike. I blasted it with a Astrolux C8 (about 100,000 candella). Big, ugly MF’er, but it looked shocked, then proceeded to give chase again. I’ve never had a light stop any dog before.

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G0OSE wrote:
OK, if this was about me disagreeing with guns in the USA this thread would already be shut down, but since it seems ok for USA (and other countries) members to have their say (and feeling sorry for us??), I will have my say too. I don’t want guns, knives or anything like that being legal in the UK to carry on the streets or in the house and I’d appreciate our overseas members keeping their opinions to themselves in regards to what we can and can’t do in our country – as I do with guns etc. If you want a gun here for sports it is not a problem – so long as you don’t want to shoot 500 rounds per minute……and own 20 machine guns. I sleep VERY safely at night with absolutely no need for either a gun or a knife, or a bat, and all that garbage that has been said about the guy defending himself is just crap, of course you can – but you don’t always have to kill someone to do it, though obviously on EXTREMELY rare occasions that may happen. As it is if someone in the UK breaks into a property at night and gets disturbed they 90%+ of the time they will run away and no one gets hurt, they just want cash/quick sell goods – now put a gun in all their hands……. now I need to get a gun to defend my family, probably someone will end up dead. (I really DO understand that, if the robber almost certainly had a gun then of course I’d sleep easier with one too) but we don’t have that issue, and I never want it. There are illegal guns/knives in the UK but gangs tend to shoot each other with them , not the general public, if they do our armed Police deal with it swiftly and efficiently – I’ll happily have it that way please. Sorry that had to be said, and if it gets me banned so be it.

+1. I spent 6 months in south Africa with a guy who couldn’t understand the concept of not having 9ft fences topped with razor wire around your house. For the most part, the UK is fairly safe, this is why we don’t need guns. Hows that for a freedom?

I’m not trying to cause upset, just trying to explain to all the gun activists that we are mostly happy without guns.

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Yep, a slightly hijacked thread. I’m a Texas Peace Officer, 25 years experience a little perspective maybe. Most American are law abiding wouldn’t hurt a fly kind of people. Then we have a few really evil and a few truly crazy. We get some shootings, some stabbings and other assaults from hammers to cars. Evil and/or crazy does tend to be rare not nearly as bad as the media over plays it. It does happen and I’ve got a jail nearby with plenty. We’ve got killers, rapist, child molester, drunk drivers, thieves. Some are animals some are still human and a few in between. I carry a Glock 19 off duty and a Glock 21 on duty, in all my years I never had to shoot anyone. Very few of my other officers have. We tend to get there after the fact, so I support the right of self defense. However if you are on the wrong side of the law, full weight of the law. Our jails are revolving doors for fucktards that keep coming back until they get killed or commit and get caught for a serious felony that puts them away for a long time. I see these people with page after page of charges, on parole or probation still getting arrested. I believe in total resistance, they have to fight hard for ever ill gotten good they want to take from me. So that being said I’m not taking chances that a house burglar only want a few item and won’t harm me or family. Our inner city schools are trashed and under funded. So instead of giving an education and hope our government gives points to college and hiring quotas.

I wish we could all live in a world where the government could take care of us all from cradle to grave. But what point would I go from free citizen to subject. Government health care could be denied to a child cause it wasn’t cost effective. Law could strip me of my right to self defense and arrest me for hurting a burglar. Some one could rent a car, van or truck to ram people down. I could be arrested for speech not approved of by committee or politically correct and called hate speech. I could be forced to buy kitchen silverware in a store with proper ID. I could be protected by secret courts. We’ve got Canadians buying American health issuance in case they run out of quota care limits.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/16/the-terrifying-tale-of-how-b...

So as a free citizen I accept the weight of that responsibility. I like my Constitution and it’s Amendments, except Amendment 16 and 18. It ain’t perfect but it’s a semi free country in most states.

P.S. Now lets see how many rude points, haven’t gotten any yet.

P.P.S. Most of those self defense lights are crap as flashlights an not so good as defensive tools.

P.P.P.S. I recommend having some training like jogging, judo and a good tactical awareness of your surroundings so you don’t have to break your flashlight.

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