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Moving back towards defence lights, I have wondered whether a right-angle light with a hand protection bar would be a better idea than a straight flashlight.

It occurs to me that when you swing a bat light to hit something, the light is immediately pointing somewhere else and you can’t see your target any more. With a right-angle light, you’d be able to keep the light pointed at your target as you punched it.

Something like this, with the hand protection bar in red:

You’d hold the light by the battery tube as normal, with your fingers going between the battery tube and the hand protection bar. If you had to hit someone, the light would naturally point in the direction of your punch, and the bar would protect your fingers.

Personally, I wouldn’t mind having one of those just to use, never mind hitting anyone with it. Being legally blind, I’m forever walking into things, even with a light and a cane. I wear impact gloves, but my hands still take quite a bashing sometimes, so the more protection I can get for them, the better.

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Here’s a laugh for ya. They pretty much banned BB guns here, yeah pellet guns!
It’s easier to get a shotgun license than a permit for a .177 air or spring powered “weapon” LOL Shocked Crying Tired

On topic, I have a Solarforce Gladiator.

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CRX (please don’t take offense to this lol) you don’t need a permit for a spring powered air rifle, .177 or .22 unless it’s over powered (12 ft lb) – it has been like that for decades.
You cannot own self-contained gas cartridge weapons (that HAS changed since I owned one decades ago) however C02 bulb type ones are still legal (not over powered), so far as I can see.
It is NOT easy to get a shotgun license either – you have to jump through a good few hoops, and be visited by the Police to check where the cabinets are etc, you also have to have somewhere to use them.
So long as you tick all the boxes you would have no real problem though.
They have not ‘pretty much’ banned BB guns either (ones that fire plastic balls) so long as they have an orange muzzle and you don’t walk around the street brandishing it – that is more to avoid people being shot by police when using VERY realistic looking ‘toys’. The ones that fire steel ball bearings are classed as air rifles and they are not banned either, unless again they are over 12ft lb or gas cartridge ones.

On topic Big Smile , if you ever use that Solarforce on anyone, or the Police caught you with it outside (and maybe inside), you could be the one being warned/arrested and that is law.

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Big Smile For a brain to “see the light” Crown

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They introduced the new legislation in Scotland first, 31 December 2016. I meant CO2 powered BB guns.
I gather you are in England Goose?
http://airweapon.scot/
Coming your way soon no doubt…
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-office-to-review-air-weapons-reg...

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Ah, I see, forgot you were in Scotland! Facepalm Thumbs Up

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How could you forget with an accent like mine Big Smile

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Lol! Big Smile

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Phlogiston wrote:
Moving back towards defence lights, I have wondered whether a right-angle light with a hand protection bar would be a better idea than a straight flashlight.

It occurs to me that when you swing a bat light to hit something, the light is immediately pointing somewhere else and you can’t see your target any more. With a right-angle light, you’d be able to keep the light pointed at your target as you punched it.

Something like this, with the hand protection bar in red:

You’d hold the light by the battery tube as normal, with your fingers going between the battery tube and the hand protection bar. If you had to hit someone, the light would naturally point in the direction of your punch, and the bar would protect your fingers.

Personally, I wouldn’t mind having one of those just to use, never mind hitting anyone with it. Being legally blind, I’m forever walking into things, even with a light and a cane. I wear impact gloves, but my hands still take quite a bashing sometimes, so the more protection I can get for them, the better.

You might have something there. Now it’s time to test. Take one and try it out on a punching bag or hard mattress. I’m thinking with that design striking down with the end cap no modification needed. Possible with thumb over top to get a better slip free grip. Don’t worry about where the light is pointing, that’s a distraction. Focus on striking. Also get it in Safety Red not Angry Red. Your cane my be the better tool http://www.coldsteel.com/products/walking-canes-by-cold-steel.html or a water pistol loaded with steak sauce and a big hungry dog. Stay safe and have fun.

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texas shooter wrote:
Yep, a slightly hijacked thread…

P.S. Now lets see how many rude points, haven’t gotten any yet….

You shouldn’t fret about rude points when you make a good argument. I’d be anti-gun if I lived in the US but I totally get your point and it’s well explained and not offensive at all

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I consider this a much more usefull self protection flashlight. Add a seat belt cutter and make sure the tip is capable of breaking a windshield and it’s a great glove box companion

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On a smaller scale something like this might be an idea:

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Phlogiston wrote:
Moving back towards defence lights, I have wondered whether a right-angle light with a hand protection bar would be a better idea than a straight flashlight. Something like this, with the hand protection bar in red:


That is brilliant. I think it is time to start the thread on designing that fighting “easy hold no-lose light”.

We need to combine the most effective ‘fighting’ yet most benign looking version of “the easy hold light”, i.e. describing it as “for arthritis sufferers, boaters, hikers”.

The right design can be a fighter that looks legal and non (or not very) threatening.

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Texas Shooter, very well said sir. Beer

I’m definitely interested in a “self defense” light. And I really like this idea:

But with a spike at the bottom like this:

And a taser on the front like this:

I’ve considered buying one of the bat/flashlight combos online, but in order to swing the bat, you would have to take the beam off of your assailant. Kinda defeats the purpose in my opinion. Imagine walking with it on a dark night and you get in a “batters stance.” You’d probably lose sight and would be guessing on when to swing.

Obviously whatever is made will be prohibited in certain countries. So I’d like to see a project that stays true to being a “self defense weapon” rather than trying to appease a minority where such items are prohibited.

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My BLF defense flashlight or for short walks

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Persechini wrote:
Why in a country were you can legally purchase and carry a handgun would you want to defend yourself with a club?

Not everyone wants to escalate that fast. Some want less than lethal options.

It is the you may have it, but no one wants to actually use it.

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Serious “out of the box”,“as is” lights that can do the job as cop tested.
https://www.streamlight.com/en/products/detail/index/protac-hl-4

Plus the new and improved.
https://www.streamlight.com/en/products/detail/index/protac-hl-5-x

Both not too expensive and designed for hard use. The rubber grip will keep it in your hand. The metal head will split theirs. Don’t ever get cheap with personal well being. Both waterproof, I hear it rains in Scotland. Not some unheard of off brand.

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texas shooter wrote:
My BLF defense flashlight or for short walks !https://www.streamlight.com/images/default-source/product-large-images/t...!

Two great choices.

I am really liking my Olight.

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Phlogiston wrote:
Moving back towards defence lights, I have wondered whether a right-angle light with a hand protection bar would be a better idea than a straight flashlight.

Something like this, with the hand protection bar in red:

You might have something there. Now it’s time to test. Take one and try it out on a punching bag or hard mattress. I’m thinking with that design striking down with the end cap no modification needed. Possible with thumb over top to get a better slip free grip. Don’t worry about where the light is pointing, that’s a distraction. Focus on striking.

Unfortunately, I need light on target, hence punching forward with the hand protection bar rather than striking downward (kubotan style?) as you suggest. I have no night vision whatsoever, so taking the beam off target means I lose the target altogether. I do take your point in general, though.

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Also get it in Safety Red not Angry Red.
Well played, sir Smile

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Your cane my be the better tool http://www.coldsteel.com/products/walking-canes-by-cold-steel.html
I have never thought about that. Nope. No. Definitely not.

I had to laugh at the Liverpool Assassin, though!

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or a water pistol loaded with steak sauce and a big hungry dog. Stay safe and have fun.
I don’t have a guide dog, but I’m quietly chuckling to myself as I imagine one trained to be meek and mild as guide dogs generally are, yet turn into a warhound when it sees anything coated in steak sauce Smile

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That is brilliant. I think it is time to start the thread on designing that fighting “easy hold no-lose light”.
Thank you. I do believe we’ve found our marketing expert for the BLF EasiGrip No Drop Light Smile

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Obviously whatever is made will be prohibited in certain countries. So I’d like to see a project that stays true to being a “self defense weapon” rather than trying to appease a minority where such items are prohibited.
Unfortunately, the UK would prohibit your version, so I wouldn’t subscribe to that viewpoint.

On a more general note, when I consider the morass of country-by-country or even state-by-state legislation, it would probably be better for the putative manufacturer to make a range of several versions with many parts in common. That would let them sell everything from the wimpy Brit version right up to the deluxe failed state assault trooper model.

It also occurs to me that it might be possible to make the hand protection bar as a user-installable add-on for an existing right-angle flashlight, which would offer still another option.

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brad wrote:
That is brilliant. I think it is time to start the thread on designing that fighting “easy hold no-lose light”.
Phlogiston wrote:
Thank you. I do believe we’ve found our marketing expert for the BLF EasiGrip No Drop Light Smile

““EasiGrip No Drop Light”“ is a fantastic name.

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9mm +p out of a 3.5” barrel provides a very nice defensive flash of light

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Pulsar wrote:
9mm +p out of a 3.5” barrel provides a very nice defensive flash of light

Can I get it in 90CRI?

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Phlogiston, I’m sad for the sorry state of your lands affairs. Our best weapon is the mind. You’ll have to use wit over brawn in your physical condition. We generally get two types of predators. Young healthy male that prey upon the weak as predators do in the wild. Then there is the mentally ill that lash out at who they focus on with little regard on size or strength. Carry yourself tall, confident and proud don’t look weak. Your probably a bit more familiar with your area than the thugs, exploit that knowledge. To be brutally honest with you. If you have poor vision and a weak grip, needing a cane. Then physical self defense is not a viable option. Any self defense weapon made from a flashlight would only be an illusion. My last knock down drag out with a coked up 18 year old left me with a torn rotator cuff, ripped ear, broken nose and broken molar. I had a radio in hand. It was so unexpected and fast. I only could use the radio in hand to repeated beat him in the skull until it split and he lost the will to keep assaulting me. Our blood was every where. Be serious with yourself over what you can and can’t do. Do you have the strength, stamina, dexterity, and will to win?

I’m going over your self defense laws in Scotland. Your country has sunk to a level of out right shame in denying your people the right to even resist being a victim. No offensive weapons, no defensive weapons, very little ability to even fight back without feeling the weight of the law for violating your attackers rights. Your land is one step away from outlawing testosterone and the penis. Jail time for offensive or none politically correct speech?

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Thank you for the advice, Texas Shooter. You’re essentially correct on every point.

My only problem is my loss of sensory capacity; everything else works as it should. The snag is, I can’t run, because a blind person’s cane is only useful at walking pace, so I’d trip or run into something in pretty short order, which would leave me completely at the mercy of an attacker.

If some guy comes up to me and says “give me your money or I kick your teeth in”, I hand over the cash. If he runs up to me screaming obscenities and starts swinging, I fight, because there is no other option.

As you say, in all brutal honesty, I’m very unlikely to win, but we Scots are not known for giving up. If push ever comes to shove, I’ll be out to do real damage in self-defence, and you never know, I might just get that lucky hit in that turns things my way. The guy might even trip and suddenly find himself on the receiving end. It may only be a 1% chance, but I’ll be trying for it.

Brad: how dare you! The sheer insult of it! You just made an enemy for life!

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Phlogiston wrote:
As you say, in all brutal honesty, I’m very unlikely to win, but we Scots are not known for giving up. If push ever comes to shove, I’ll be out to do real damage in self-defence, and you never know, I might just get that lucky hit in that turns things my way. The guy might even trip and suddenly find himself on the receiving end. It may only be a 1% chance, but I’ll be trying for it.

That’s the spirit, make them pay with sweat and blood every ill gotten item. Still a thin strong cane could be used like a sjambok whip. Use a good Brass Ferrule too.

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The cane’s aluminium, with a bending load of about 50 kilos. Awkwardly, it’s multi-section collapsible, so it’s better folded in half and held as a short staff with one hand on each end.

I took a damaged cane and smashed the living daylights out of a dead tree once as an experiment. It was remarkably effective as stress relief, at any rate!

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Phlogiston wrote:
As you say, in all brutal honesty, I’m very unlikely to win, but we Scots are not known for giving up.

Then you better hope you’re fighting an immigrant, and not another Scot.

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Phlogiston wrote:

Yourrid wrote:
Obviously whatever is made will be prohibited in certain countries. So I’d like to see a project that stays true to being a “self defense weapon” rather than trying to appease a minority where such items are prohibited.
Unfortunately, the UK would prohibit your version, so I wouldn’t subscribe to that viewpoint.

On a more general note, when I consider the morass of country-by-country or even state-by-state legislation, it would probably be better for the putative manufacturer to make a range of several versions with many parts in common. That would let them sell everything from the wimpy Brit version right up to the deluxe failed state assault trooper model.

I think you’re underestimating the amount of money it will cost to custom design multiple versions of a custom light, that doesn’t exist. If this feeler thread was getting hundreds of people saying they’re interested, you might have a chance. From what I’ve seen in previous group buys, you need ~500 people to sign up for a flashlight to get a company to even start making prototypes of only 1 version.

I have a feeling this light (if it ever makes it to the prototype stage), will be so pacified that it would be pointless to use. How about we paint it pink, put some “My Little Pony” stickers on it. Wrap it in thick foam (so it doesn’t hurt a bad guy) and put a 100 lumen LED in it (because we don’t want the police arresting us for having TOO bright of a flashlight.) Smile

I’m going to pass on this project.
You gentlemen have a nice day.
Texas Shooter, have a nice day, sir. Beer

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Well, yeah, but look what the state did to him as a result!

It’s a good job he didn’t also train his pug to be a nazi…

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