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Your country has sunk to a level of out right shame in denying your people the right to even resist being a victim. No offensive weapons, no defensive weapons, very little ability to even fight back without feeling the weight of the law for violating your attackers rights. Your land is one step away from outlawing testosterone and the penis. Jail time for offensive or none politically correct speech?

My country since it fell into the hands of the “compañeros” has been on the same path
The worst part is that we’re already at the mercy of the criminals
Our minister of the interior, the chief of all police, is an amnestied criminal

I have an advantage over many citizens
For my health problem I “must” use a cane, I made it from a single piece good wood
I don’t need it, but since the doctor recommended I use it, I use it Wink

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texas shooter wrote:
I’m going over your self defense laws in Scotland. Your country has sunk to a level of out right shame in denying your people the right to even resist being a victim. No offensive weapons, no defensive weapons, very little ability to even fight back without feeling the weight of the law for violating your attackers rights. Your land is one step away from outlawing testosterone and the penis. Jail time for offensive or none politically correct speech?

My friend, I understand this feeling. I saw the ‘no tolerance’ rules we have in the US schools. You cannot defend yourself against a bully anymore. The will just use the internet to bully you (anonymously or make a fake account) and maybe even hit you knowing this ‘zero tolerance’ rule.

I remember as a child I was the thinnest, shortest, generally weakest person and some bullies thought it would be a good way to beat someone up. I got beaten up, fought back, and they stopped picking on me because it wasn’t worth it and as far as I know we were on ok terms but they didn’t bully again. Another older kid did the same but I was smarter than him and beat him up, and we ended up walking home together afterwards as friends. That will never happen in the climate of our schools today.

If I have a child I will tell him to not follow these ridiculous rules. If they are going to kick students out due to them defending themselves against bullies (who if they follow through with their physical assaults obviously don’t care about being expelled) then I wouldn’t want them to stay in such a toxic environment anyway.

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I thought it is a stick with light facility :p. Interesting flashlight for the security officer.
But, a tactical quality flashlight will prefer all law enforcement members https://tacticalflashlightguide.com/. Because only this types of flashlights can be used for self-defense.

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Obviously whatever is made will be prohibited in certain countries. So I’d like to see a project that stays true to being a “self defense weapon” rather than trying to appease a minority where such items are prohibited.
Unfortunately, the UK would prohibit your version, so I wouldn’t subscribe to that viewpoint.

On a more general note, when I consider the morass of country-by-country or even state-by-state legislation, it would probably be better for the putative manufacturer to make a range of several versions with many parts in common. That would let them sell everything from the wimpy Brit version right up to the deluxe failed state assault trooper model.

I think you’re underestimating the amount of money it will cost to custom design multiple versions of a custom light, that doesn’t exist. If this feeler thread was getting hundreds of people saying they’re interested, you might have a chance. From what I’ve seen in previous group buys, you need ~500 people to sign up for a flashlight to get a company to even start making prototypes of only 1 version.

Actually, yes, I have to admit you’re right about that.

I wandered off into “what if I were a manufacturer planning to make this thing” mode for a moment!

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I have a feeling this light (if it ever makes it to the prototype stage), will be so pacified that it would be pointless to use. How about we paint it pink, put some “My Little Pony” stickers on it.
My Little Pony stickers are good, anything to make it look less suspicious to the police. We need to do a blue version as well, though. Can’t be having those gender stereotypes, after all.
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Yourrid wrote:
I have a feeling this light (if it ever makes it to the prototype stage), will be so pacified that it would be pointless to use. How about we paint it pink, put some “My Little Pony” stickers on it.

Sounds pretty terrifying, to me. Like something an evil clown would use to beat you to death. Shudder….

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It’s a copy/clone of the 4×18650 Solarforce Gladiator: (or as Foy called it: “ass-whoopin’ stick”)
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/13129

https://www.solarforceflashlight-sales.com/products/solarforce-gladiator...

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I missed the X110 after you gave me heads up. Someone beat me to it.

I contacted Solarforce directly about purchasing all parts needed to build Gladiator. Their customer service is really crappy. They did not answer or acknowledge my e mails for further purchase information. I really want 1 but will not shell out money to company that does not care to reply to simple requests.

mmalive, I just noticed the Gladiator is available from KD: http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S022941.Solarforce-Gladiator-Flashlight-Shell

Keep in mind the gladiator is a body only (even from Solarforce) you still need a drop-in light engine, but KD has the best selection of dropins too.
http://www.kaidomain.com/c/285.DIY-Flashlight-LED-Drop-in

 

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Thanks guys, got a good chuckle from

“My Little Pony stickers”

and

“evil clown”

Big Smile Big Smile

Thread was gettin’ too serious for a while. Flat Stare

 

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Kinda redundant, though. All clowns are evil.

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I would be interested in a tactical/defensive light but with different specs. In the ball park of 2×18650-2×26650 tube, around 50mm head diameter, rechargeable base, rear and side switch, decent throw, and decent run time.

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If I were you , start taking self defense classes or some Taekwondo. I worked with 3 guys, one from South Vietnam, 2 from South Korea. They grew up learning Taekwondo from their parents. It’s not all about kicking, it’s really about Self Defense. You may be surprised how much you can learn from just 1 yr of sparring like I did. You will feel less afraid of the bad guys after you see you can protect yourself without weapons ( except for guns of course ). Watching videos on self defense is not the same as sparring with a teacher, you have to engage to learn, practice moves with another person for it to be effective. First, learn and practice the moves. Second, develop speed. Third, hitting power comes from using the first two. Lifting weights should be limited because it slows your speed down. You don’t need a belt, just some Self Defense Training that will make your life more enjoyable. Smile

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What is word on the project. Money ready to go once group buy named.

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I honestly don’t see a project happening. With so many countries represented here it would be almost impossible to make a lighted bat. Why anyone would want it I still have yet to understand. That would get through customs, and if it did would it actually be lawful to carry. It’s basically a novelty. I don’t see why any company of any decent quality agreeing to mass produce this thing. Those of you of mechanically inclined may to better to build your own. That way some lawyer somewhere can’t hold a flashlight manufacturer liable for someone else’s wrong doing with their product. You know, now days we have to take into consideration the stupid that live among us. We have to pay the higher prices for those who weren’t taught better.

Buy a bat and a drill. Drill hole in bat. Jam flashlight in there. Seal into place. Done.

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I honestly don’t see a project happening. With so many countries represented here it would be almost impossible to make a lighted bat. Why anyone would want it I still have yet to understand. That would get through customs, and if it did would it actually be lawful to carry. It’s basically a novelty. I don’t see why any company of any decent quality agreeing to mass produce this thing. Those of you of mechanically inclined may to better to build your own. That way some lawyer somewhere can’t hold a flashlight manufacturer liable for someone else’s wrong doing with their product. You know, now days we have to take into consideration the stupid that live among us. We have to pay the higher prices for those who weren’t taught better.

Buy a bat and a drill. Drill hole in bat. Jam flashlight in there. Seal into place. Done.

Todd, you always seem to be on right track. But, in this case you are wrong man.

With the laws these days with conceal permit for everything from firearms, knives, etc… makes it extremely difficult for people to defend themselves if in life crisis situations.

The batlight makes very sensible facts of safety. Having a good flashlight that can double as defensive tool if needed for any type of violent attacks.

Todd, you must live in country area or small town where violence in very minimal.

Try living in So Cal like me. We see violence everyday. And on top of that very difficult to get licensed to carry any type of defensive tool legally.

I collect batlights. Some are even sold at Walmart/HomeDepot of all places. But the quality is OK. Not top notch. I would pay for hardened steel version any day.

Back to subject anyone still on board with the Batlight project? ? Count me in.,

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mmalive wrote:
Todd, you always seem to be on right track. But, in this case you are wrong man.

With the laws these days with conceal permit for everything from firearms, knives, etc… makes it extremely difficult for people to defend themselves if in life crisis situations.

The batlight makes very sensible facts of safety. Having a good flashlight that can double as defensive tool if needed for any type of violent attacks.

Todd, you must live in country area or small town where violence in very minimal.

Try living in So Cal like me. We see violence everyday. And on top of that very difficult to get licensed to carry any type of defensive tool legally.

I collect batlights. Some are even sold at Walmart/HomeDepot of all places. But the quality is OK. Not top notch. I would pay for hardened steel version any day.

Back to subject anyone still on board with the Batlight project? ? Count me in.,

mmalive, I completely understand and I was not putting down this project as a whole. I was just saying that for all the different countries and states this would have to be sold in, that it might be complicated to make lawful in all areas. I know that in some places in the US a bat is not considered a weapon and that in some other states it alone is considered a weapon. Take where I live into consideration, I can conceal a firearm with out a permit, I can carry switch blades and automatic knives,tasers, baton’s, and just about any other blunt object, but as soon as I put brass knuckles in my pocket I am a felon. Then when you take the same thing into European countries laws get extremely difficult from one place to the next. I think it’s a good idea I just don’t think from a manufacturers stand point they would be willing to produce it. Of course companies can produce anything they like and in the end it’s up to the purchaser to make sure they are obeying the laws of their land. I just don’t think, in my opinion, and my opinion only they are willing to open themselves up to that kind of scrutiny.

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toddcshoe wrote:
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Todd, you always seem to be on right track. But, in this case you are wrong man.

With the laws these days with conceal permit for everything from firearms, knives, etc… makes it extremely difficult for people to defend themselves if in life crisis situations.

The batlight makes very sensible facts of safety. Having a good flashlight that can double as defensive tool if needed for any type of violent attacks.

Todd, you must live in country area or small town where violence in very minimal.

Try living in So Cal like me. We see violence everyday. And on top of that very difficult to get licensed to carry any type of defensive tool legally.

I collect batlights. Some are even sold at Walmart/HomeDepot of all places. But the quality is OK. Not top notch. I would pay for hardened steel version any day.

Back to subject anyone still on board with the Batlight project? ? Count me in.,

mmalive, I completely understand and I was not putting down this project as a whole. I was just saying that for all the different countries and states this would have to be sold in, that it might be complicated to make lawful in all areas. I know that in some places in the US a bat is not considered a weapon and that in some other states it alone is considered a weapon. Take where I live into consideration, I can conceal a firearm with out a permit, I can carry switch blades and automatic knives,tasers, baton’s, and just about any other blunt object, but as soon as I put brass knuckles in my pocket I am a felon. Then when you take the same thing into European countries laws get extremely difficult from one place to the next. I think it’s a good idea I just don’t think from a manufacturers stand point they would be willing to produce it. Of course companies can produce anything they like and in the end it’s up to the purchaser to make sure they are obeying the laws of their land. I just don’t think, in my opinion, and my opinion only they are willing to open themselves up to that kind of scrutiny.

Does make sense. Not to many options these days for defensive tools. Getting harder and harder. Especially with all the violence in that news reporting.

I have bought multiple Batlights from different retailers here. 6 Ozark Trails from Walmart, 4 Defiants from HomeDepot etc….. These must be legal otherwise these guys would not sell them.

Would rather have hardened aluminum or steel version.

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mmalive wrote:
Does make sense. Not to many options these days for defensive tools. Getting harder and harder. Especially with all the violence in that news reporting.

I have bought multiple Batlights from different retailers here. 6 Ozark Trails from Walmart, 4 Defiants from HomeDepot etc….. These must be legal otherwise these guys would not sell them.

Would rather have hardened aluminum or steel version.

Hell yes, if you are going to have one you better go down swinging. LOL

I don’t know what state or country you live in. Those areas that don’t allow their citizens to defend themselves shouldn’t be allowed to govern. If a bat is all you can have then by all means get lots of bats. If you are in a gun friendly state, buy lots of those, just be careful as to who you allow access to those weapons.

If they made a great, well built bat light that I could turn one of my kids or wife loose with for a walk I would most certainly buy it. You were correct, I do live in a area with almost no crime at all. I live almost but not quite out in the sticks and not many people come out this way. I use to live in a very urban environment but moved out when I hit the age of reason.

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Sometimes your would-be attackers aren’t even the two-legged variety, amazingly enough.

Back when I had a little terrier-mix and would walk him around the nabe, some Big Dog (by the brown+black coloring, looked like a rott/dobe mix of some sort, definitely a mutt) came after mine and wanted to eat him. Only thing I could do was kick him right squah in the nuts. Had nothing else on me. Good thing the mutt didn’t turn on me instead, ‘cause maybe I just got in that lucky shot.

Different time, the neighbor across the street had 2 rotts, too, and when I just let my dog out by the tree to do his thing, I see them come running up. Two of them. Hell, I just grabbed a big-ass golf-umbrella and was gonna spear one of ‘em with the pointy end when the owner yelled at them to stop, and amazingly they did. He saw I was already winding up, didn’t say a word.

Even now, what would I do, beg the beastie to wait ‘til I fished my Sanremu outta my pocket and opened it up? Kinda get weird looks walking with a Fairbairn Sykes sticking outta my pocket, so…

So hey, full steam ahead with the Bat Utility Light. 2 legs or 4, crack ‘em over the melon with it.

Suggestion? If you’re gonna do it from scratch, just hollow out an Al tube to be able to stick a “flashlight module” in the end, then intentionally leave enough space to you can “cast” Pb or solder into it to hold the tube.

“Whoops, wanted to use a 26650 light, but all I got’s this teeny 16340 light. That’s why it’s got 2lbs of Pb at the swinging end…”

There ya go.

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mmalive wrote:

Does make sense. Not to many options these days for defensive tools. Getting harder and harder. Especially with all the violence in that news reporting.

I have bought multiple Batlights from different retailers here. 6 Ozark Trails from Walmart, 4 Defiants from HomeDepot etc….. These must be legal otherwise these guys would not sell them.

Would rather have hardened aluminum or steel version.

As a Peace Officer I can tell you “NO”. Legal to buy and legal to possess does not equally to legal for other uses or even carry. Walmart sells baseball bats, I can not randomly carry one around. It’s primary purpose is in question when it looks like a weapon but has a superficial secondary use. A good example is using a tire iron as a key fob. Spray paint legal to buy, illegal to huff. Another fine item that burns a few are Tire Thumpers. Legal to sell in many states that consider it a weapon. The use of an item is also a considering factor. Once again tire irons, screw drivers and hammers are generally legal to buy, posses and use. Carry one in a city and arrest could be a real possibility even without a self defense use. I only need probably cause to arrest. To convict the State needs beyond a reasonable doubt. So you might beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride.

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Don’t need no stinking flashlight when you got Ninja Man in pajamas

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texas shooter wrote:
mmalive wrote:

Does make sense. Not to many options these days for defensive tools. Getting harder and harder. Especially with all the violence in that news reporting.

I have bought multiple Batlights from different retailers here. 6 Ozark Trails from Walmart, 4 Defiants from HomeDepot etc….. These must be legal otherwise these guys would not sell them.

Would rather have hardened aluminum or steel version.

As a Peace Officer I can tell you “NO”. Legal to buy and legal to possess does not equally to legal for other uses or even carry. Walmart sells baseball bats, I can not randomly carry one around. It’s primary purpose is in question when it looks like a weapon but has a superficial secondary use. A good example is using a tire iron as a key fob. Spray paint legal to buy, illegal to huff. Another fine item that burns a few are Tire Thumpers. Legal to sell in many states that consider it a weapon. The use of an item is also a considering factor. Once again tire irons, screw drivers and hammers are generally legal to buy, posses and use. Carry one in a city and arrest could be a real possibility even without a self defense use. I only need probably cause to arrest. To convict the State needs beyond a reasonable doubt. So you might beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride.

As a peace officer you should know the law better. Your argument makes NO sense from whole picture of situtation. The PRIMARY purpose of buying bat flashlight at Walmart, HomeDepot, etc….. is to use as illumination. No one goes into store on intent to buy a striking weapon? Come on guy. Use common sense.

Walking at night( to car, excercise, etc… ) one might encounter a rapist, mean attack dog, serial killer, etc…. What recourse does one have to defend themselves during attack? Defend yourself with what you have. In this case a flashlight that can be used as defensive tool.

You either defend yourself with what you have. OR you become a STATISTIC. There is your answer on why you need bat flashlight.

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Sometimes your would-be attackers aren’t even the two-legged variety, amazingly enough.

Back when I had a little terrier-mix and would walk him around the nabe, some Big Dog (by the brown+black coloring, looked like a rott/dobe mix of some sort, definitely a mutt) came after mine and wanted to eat him. Only thing I could do was kick him right squah in the nuts. Had nothing else on me. Good thing the mutt didn’t turn on me instead, ‘cause maybe I just got in that lucky shot.

Different time, the neighbor across the street had 2 rotts, too, and when I just let my dog out by the tree to do his thing, I see them come running up. Two of them. Hell, I just grabbed a big-ass golf-umbrella and was gonna spear one of ‘em with the pointy end when the owner yelled at them to stop, and amazingly they did. He saw I was already winding up, didn’t say a word.

Even now, what would I do, beg the beastie to wait ‘til I fished my Sanremu outta my pocket and opened it up? Kinda get weird looks walking with a Fairbairn Sykes sticking outta my pocket, so…

So hey, full steam ahead with the Bat Utility Light. 2 legs or 4, crack ‘em over the melon with it.

Suggestion? If you’re gonna do it from scratch, just hollow out an Al tube to be able to stick a “flashlight module” in the end, then intentionally leave enough space to you can “cast” Pb or solder into it to hold the tube.

“Whoops, wanted to use a 26650 light, but all I got’s this teeny 16340 light. That’s why it’s got 2lbs of Pb at the swinging end…”

There ya go.

My points exactly why you need defensive tool bat flashlight. Your encounter involved dogs. Imagine if you encountered a robber, serial rapist, murderer, etc…. You might have not been so lucky.

For anyone making argument of legality THINK TWICE. Key points to remember:

Do you want to defend yourself in life threatening situation?

OR become a morgue STATISTIC?

Feel free to chime in.

BTW. A hardened steel Bat Flashlight would be ideal with limited edition colors.

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Well said officer. Lots of things get sold that aren’t legal. Great line here BTW, “So you might beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride.”. However, when you come on a middle age or elderly gent walking his dog in the dark, has there ever been an instance where he got the ride for having say, a 3 battery maglight? I could see it being a huge mistake carrying a bat flashlight into a concert during daylight hours, but clearly context is everything and I doubt mr taxpayer (who may also be a lawyer) would ever get the ride.

My daughter moved back in and has PTSD. She rarely sleeps at night. She takes the dog out for walks. I’ve bought flashlights for her, but also both stun guns and mace (like Kimber Pepper blaster 2s) although she rarely takes that stuff out. She almost always has the flashlight. I’d get her a big one, although I suspect she wouldn’t take it out.

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mmalive wrote:
…As a peace officer you should know the law better. Your argument makes NO sense from whole picture of situtation. The PRIMARY purpose of buying bat flashlight at Walmart, HomeDepot, etc….. is to use as illumination. No one goes into store on intent to buy a striking weapon? Come on guy. Use common sense…
I think his point was it doesn’t matter necessarily what you bought it for.

What matters is what is your intended purpose in carrying it around is.

You’re carrying a bat?…. ok. You’re carrying it late at night and not to or from the baseball diamond? …. maybe not ok.

A reasonable police officer could conclude that your purpose in carrying the bat-light is to use as a weapon. And that would be true… after all the whole point of this thread is to discuss flashlights that could be used as weapons.

And if you’re carrying a weapon then you may be in violation of various state and local laws on carrying or displaying weapons. Depending on your location, there might be more restrictions on carrying simple bludgeoning weapons than there are on firearms. Best to double-check applicable law in your jurisdiction before walking around with one.

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Firelight2 wrote:
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…As a peace officer you should know the law better. Your argument makes NO sense from whole picture of situtation. The PRIMARY purpose of buying bat flashlight at Walmart, HomeDepot, etc….. is to use as illumination. No one goes into store on intent to buy a striking weapon? Come on guy. Use common sense…
I think his point was it doesn’t matter necessarily what you bought it for.

What matters is what is your intended purpose in carrying it around is.

You’re carrying a bat?…. ok. You’re carrying it late at night and not to or from the baseball diamond? …. maybe not ok.

A reasonable police officer could conclude that your purpose in carrying the bat-light is to use as a weapon. And that would be true… after all the whole point of this thread is to discuss flashlights that could be used as weapons.

And if you’re carrying a weapon then you may be in violation of various state and local laws on carrying or displaying weapons. Depending on your location, there might be more restrictions on carrying simple bludgeoning weapons than there are on firearms. Best to double-check applicable law in your jurisdiction before walking around with one.

The conversation is turning into a joke. Going out for late night walks, dog walks, exercise one needs flashlight for illumination to see in dark areas. The police have to know the laws as pertained to each state. The Bat Flashlight is a flashlight for illumination in dark. The secondary purpose is a defensive tool if needed to ward of any attackers if needed.

Any police officer that does not know that SHOULD NOT be in law enforcement. Common sense.

If items are outlawed then do not sell them or allow to be purchased.

So we would rather see morgue statistic then allowing someone to be able to defend themselves against attackers? Be it animal or other violent human beings.

Try to filter the law to VICTIMS of violence that are no longer with us on this earth.

Back to subject: I suggest limited editions runs with hardened steel strike bezel head and high lumen count.

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texas shooter wrote:
mmalive wrote:

Does make sense. Not to many options these days for defensive tools. Getting harder and harder. Especially with all the violence in that news reporting.

I have bought multiple Batlights from different retailers here. 6 Ozark Trails from Walmart, 4 Defiants from HomeDepot etc….. These must be legal otherwise these guys would not sell them.

Would rather have hardened aluminum or steel version.

As a Peace Officer I can tell you “NO”. Legal to buy and legal to possess does not equally to legal for other uses or even carry. Walmart sells baseball bats, I can not randomly carry one around. It’s primary purpose is in question when it looks like a weapon but has a superficial secondary use. A good example is using a tire iron as a key fob. Spray paint legal to buy, illegal to huff. Another fine item that burns a few are Tire Thumpers. Legal to sell in many states that consider it a weapon. The use of an item is also a considering factor. Once again tire irons, screw drivers and hammers are generally legal to buy, posses and use. Carry one in a city and arrest could be a real possibility even without a self defense use. I only need probably cause to arrest. To convict the State needs beyond a reasonable doubt. So you might beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride.

Probable cause? for carrying a flashlight at night? Give me a logical break? OK?

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toddcshoe wrote:
Personally I wouldn’t want to depend on a hollow aluminum tube to defend my life and the life of my family. When our lives are threatened the last thing I want to do is piss off a bad guy by hitting him with a piece of aluminum. I already have a $20 dollar flashlight that will make sure I never have to swing a bat at somebody and hope for the best. Of course it’s attached to the bottom rail of a IWI Jericho 941F.

The USA are funny

You can’t bring a baseball bat, but a gun is ok …

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elnino wrote:
….The USA are funny

You can’t bring a baseball bat, but a gun is ok …

Yup.

I remember years ago when I was taking martial alts and found there are heavy restrictions on anything resembling martial arts weapons. You can carry escrima sticks (wooden stick) or nun chuks ONLY to or from your dojo. It’s illegal here to carry them anywhere else.

There are fewer restrictions on carrying around firearms. After all… in the U.S. you have a constitutional right to carry a firearm. But no such right applies to carrying around a club.

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mmalive wrote:
… The Bat Flashlight is a flashlight for illumination in dark. The secondary purpose is a defensive tool if needed to ward of any attackers if needed….
You’re still missing the point.

From a legal perspective in many areas it does not matter that the object has more than one purpose or that being used as a weapon is secondary. All that matters is that the object looks like a weapon and one of your goals in carrying it is to use it as a weapon.

Of course this will vary by jurisdiction and by the police officers who happen to see it. In many areas I’m sure it’s perfectly legal to carry around a bat light. And those people might well enjoy a BLF special edition self-defense light.

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elnino wrote:

The USA are funny

You can’t bring a baseball bat, but a gun is ok …

It’s a bit more complex than that generalization

Unlike other countries, the laws vary from State to State. The US is a representative republic.

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At least in theory…

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