Massive fraud on 18650s in the Littokala Aliexpress stores!

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I personally only consider the Sunway store trustful on Aliexpress for genuine Korean and Japanese brand 18650s and 21700s.

Otherwise, if you aren’t ordering Chinese cells or 26650s, I would steer away from Aliexpress.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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Received 5 18650B from liitokala Official Store.
Fakes: – 5 prongs instead of 3, different font and spacing of the text printed on them, rather negligent wrapping, smaller capacity, they overheated.
Opened dispute on AE with pictures and video.
The seller tried to convince AE that he has original documents from the producer and proposed me to return the batteries and to get full refund.
I refused.
AE considered only one of my argumets – the smaller capacity of the batteries (aprox 3200 mAh) invalidating the others.
Finally, today AE decided in my favor: I keep the goods, the seller must fully refund me. Yey! Smile

FIAT LUX!

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korkfoto wrote:
Received 5 18650B from liitokala Official Store.
Fakes: - 5 prongs instead of 3, different font and spacing of the text printed on them, rather negligent wrapping, smaller capacity, they overheated.
Opened dispute on AE with pictures and video.
The seller tried to convince AE that he has original documents from the producer and proposed me to return the batteries and to get full refund.
I refused.
AE considered only one of my argumets - the smaller capacity of the batteries (aprox 3200 mAh) invalidating the others.
Finally, today AE decided in my favor: I keep the goods, the seller must fully refund me. Yey! Smile

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Hahaha, Barkuti!
Now, I’m waiting to see my money back.

FIAT LUX!

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Lol barkuti that had me laughing for a while.

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At the risk of opening old wounds, I just checked the “LiitoKala Official Store” #217753. As far as I can tell, they have removed the references to battery brand names. Their 30Q is now a “Liitokala 30Q brand”, HG2 is a “Liitokala HG2”, …

I guess that settles the question of whether the cells were original Samsung, LG, Panasonic or copies / fakes.

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Looks like the only 100% genuine cells they sell are 26650s and 4000mAh 21700s.

Even then, I would not buy anything from them, since I like to punish bad behavior.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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At the risk of opening old wounds, I just checked the "LiitoKala Official Store" #217753. As far as I can tell, they have removed the references to battery brand names. Their 30Q is now a "Liitokala 30Q brand", HG2 is a "Liitokala HG2", ...

I guess that settles the question of whether the cells were original Samsung, LG, Panasonic or copies / fakes.

Certified 100% fake LoL! (◠﹏◠)

This was not necessarily the case a good bunch of months ago, last year maybe, where I could get a couple good shipments. But it obvious is they've fully turned to the dark side.

BlueSwordM wrote:
Looks like the only 100% genuine cells they sell are 26650s and 4000mAh 21700s.

Even then, I would not buy anything from them, since I like to punish bad behavior.

Seen some inconsistencies with the LiitoKala wrapped 26650s already, but this may be due to shady seller selling factory rejects. Aditionally, they have never claimed what 26650 or 21700 cell they're rewrapping. Better keep an eye over them in any case (or nothing Big Smile at all).

I do not think they believe they're fully wrong doing, and this of course has to do with their blemished morale/way of doing things with regards to selling what they claim for. If they were willing to sell well they would sell these cells with their factory wraps or at least claim what brand name and model they're rewrapping. I am not straight willing to buy a product for which I cannot easily resort to datasheets or unbiased tests, and this is exactly what they're doing to their own products when they're selling them under fake wraps: covering 'em with shite.

 

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The reason why I went back and looked at the store’s site is that I bought some HG2’s from them early this year. I tested them on my Lii-500 and they seemed to be OK so I charged them to 4 V and stored them in 4 cell plastic cases. When I took them out to check them this morning they were at 1.51 – 2.75 volts. They were never used.

I won’t waste my money buying anything from the “Liitokala Official Store” again.

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We CTECHI Group is a leading lithium ion battery, lithium manganese dioxide …

This is considered spamming. Please read the site rules.

 

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Yesterday received varicore
30q and after testing i have to say fake. Under 1amp load voltage dropped to 3.6v immediately. Compared to lyggte.info it should be on 4volts about half hour when discharging 1amp

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I think you should avoid ‘Aunt Sally’s Liitokala Store’ and ‘Liitokala 0ff1c1al St0re’ etc.

Here is the genuine LiitoKala Official Flagship Store
AliExpress store #133859
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/133859

I doubt Liitokala manufactures lithium cells, but they can sure wrap ‘em nice.
So I bought some 26650 – see my entry

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two¢¢ wrote:

Here is the genuine LiitoKala Official Flagship Store
AliExpress store #133859
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/133859

Nope. I got fake NCR18650B’s from them. Roughly 2400mAh, 5 prongs on the + pole, I think someone else here received those.
Well, maybe they _are _the genuine store, but they sell fakes.

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Let me get this straight, two¢¢ and others: what makes you think there's an “official” AliExpress LiitoKala store? As far as I know, there's a single AliExpress store which is linked in their official site: http://www.liitokala.com.cn

Scroll down to the bottom, you'll find their phone and fax numbers and just below them two banners with these links:

 

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I don’t think there is any way to tell what (if any) is the actual Liitokala website or aliexpress store. Many here have reported problems with all of the aliexpress stores, and anyone can set up a website.

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Nope. Well, maybe they _sell _fakes, but they are genuine.

Awhile back, these two + poles were shown on the same product page.

‘Pig in a poke’ means I do not yet know what are how good these rewraps are.
Can’t help wondering if my chances are better buying here or Elsa’s Big Smile Liitokala Office Store?

Barkuti, are you kidding me? I diligently pasted the given name of this store. That’s it.
The name presented on that website is, in fact, LiitoKala Official Flagship Store.
Just like that. Plain as day. I won’t bother clicking your tantrum links, because the name LiitoKala Official Flagship Store will still exist. And they will still be rewrapping cells made elsewhere.
And some of these will be fakes.

How would I know what is legally official scrolling around in AliExpress?

Let me get this straight, Barkuti, how would you know what is legally official scrolling around in AliExpress? I like your on point flashlight knowledge, but why waste our time with your screeds.

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Calm down two¢¢ I have not been gross to you at all, not a single dime. I just presented some facts. You can open the official chinese LiitoKala website and go check the only store linked down there is 217753. If for any reason you don't like the trustworthy information I provide don't read it or solve your own issues, please.

The fact that there are lots of “LietoKala Official Faketore Stores” Big Smile (pun intended) is just consecuence that the AliExpress system gives sellers the right to use any store name they wish and also they can change their store name anytime. This is something I know because I started buying cells from store number 1721160 whose current name is “liitokala 0fficial Store”, where the O is Wink a 0. This store was previously known as “AM battery Store” and even before that they called themselves “Colaier Direct Sales Store”.

 

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jch10400 wrote:
The reason why I went back and looked at the store’s site is that I bought some HG2’s from them early this year. I tested them on my Lii-500 and they seemed to be OK so I charged them to 4 V and stored them in 4 cell plastic cases. When I took them out to check them this morning they were at 1.51 – 2.75 volts. They were never used.

I won’t waste my money buying anything from the “Liitokala Official Store” again.


Just FYI, you should store LiIon batteries at 3.4 – 3.6 Volts.
Even lower than that is better than storing them fully charged or close to fully charged.
Early this year could be up to 10 months…
Still, they shouldn’t have discharged as deep as yours did, of course.
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I’m calm, Barkuti. You should calm down. And I have not been gross to you a single dime.

My presented facts remain.

You challenged me to tell why I think there’s an ‘official’ AliExpress LiitoKala store when I simply pasted their name? Then you immediately say you know there IS a single AliExpress store linked in their official site.

So I shouldn’t think there’s an ‘official’ website (which I didn’t), and you think there is.
Sounds just like ‘issues.’

And, Wow! So you have determined there are bogus sites in AliExpress … I wish I had mentioned that.
I may subscribe to Barkuti trustworthy information, issues and all.

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UPDATE 2!!!

DO NOT BUY ANY 18650s from the Liitokala store, ALL OF THEM!

THEY HAVE CHANGED THEIR NAMES FROM SAMSUNG 30Q TO LIITOKALA 30Q

This means, to be able not to offer refunds, they changed the cells’ name from OEMs to their own!

DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY MONEY!

Also, on post #283:

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1341725#comment-1341725

User ActiveAI has tested the FAKE LIITOKALA 30Qs to have 2x the internal resistance than the legitimate ones. This means the cells have been swapped with Panasonic NCR18650PFs/LG MG1s, which have 3Ah of capacity, but are only rated up to 10A continuous compared to the 30Qs 15-20A!

That means they sold an inferior cell to us!

Do not give them money. We need to punish them!

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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I hear you BlueSwordM. I NOR 500mA discharge tested 4 of those and got ≈2950mAh, with good consistency. Later I DC IR tested two of them the best I could with some handy help from a friend. Got 40.2mΩ and 41.4mΩ, 40.8mΩ average of two cells. The top looks like LG, but I can't say for sure if they are LG MG1. LG MG1 are not 3000mAh rated.

 

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BlueSwordM wrote:
UPDATE 2!!!

DO NOT BUY ANY 18650s from the Liitokala store, ALL OF THEM!

THEY HAVE CHANGED THEIR NAMES FROM SAMSUNG 30Q TO LIITOKALA 30Q

This means, to be able not to offer refunds, they changed the cells’ name from OEMs to their own!

DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY MONEY!

Also, on post #283:

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1341725#comment-1341725

User ActiveAI has tested the FAKE LIITOKALA 30Qs to have 2x the internal resistance than the legitimate ones. This means the cells have been swapped with Panasonic NCR18650PFs/LG MG1s, which have 3Ah of capacity, but are only rated up to 10A continuous compared to the 30Qs 15-20A!

That means they sold an inferior cell to us!

Do not give them money. We need to punish them!

I hear you guys……

Any good source then? Sunway Store as per your recommendation?

Need to get some VTC6s.

This one?
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-AERDU-US18650VTC6-3-7V-3000mAh-Li-ion-Power-Battery-30A-Discharge-Toy-Tools-E/3173029_32836235526.html?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.5.4ad34b68St2LSy

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Although,i think it s kind of “cheating”,Liitokala’s batteries are cheap and not bad.They use good quality chinese batteries,May be thier batteries are the best in aliexpress. Facepalm

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It’s a clear scam. They issue Chinese batteries for the original Samsung, Sony, Panasonic etc. No one has a problem with Chinese batteries if they are written that they are Chinese batteries. But when they write the original Samsung and they are Chinese, it’s a scam. The batteries do not have to be bad, but they give them something they are not. Quietly I buy good Chinese batteries, but do not lie, they are branded Samsung, Sony, Panasonic etc.

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@2100, I can fully recommend the Sunway store.

I’ve ordered 6×30Qs from them if I remember well, and they all tested to have 3000mAh capacities and internal resistance similar to other real 30Qs.

Thus, I have no problem recommending them.

@59, that’s not the problem. Chinese cells are actually quite good these days. Just don’t sell me a 3000mAh 10A cell as a 3000mAh 15A Samsung 30Q.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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Great, thanks BlueSwordM.

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59 wrote:
Although,i think it s kind of "cheating",Liitokala's batteries are cheap and not bad.They use good quality chinese batteries,May be thier batteries are the best in aliexpress. Facepalm

The “problem” lies with lies and unidentified OEM products. They fake 1st OEM (Samsung, Panasonic, etc) cell wraps from Samsung, Panasonic, LG, etc. This is misleading. There's no better wrap than an OEM wrap. Changing the cell wrap for a fake one or one of these awful “IMR” wraps makes identifying the actual cell OEM harder. We need to identify these chinese OEM cells for proper testing. The fears of chinese marketeers like LiitoKala in this regards are preventing proper customer product identification via OEM model numbers and factory codes. This is bad, chinese battery OEMs cannot stand a chance to be seen as an alternative to the big brands here as we cannot properly identify the shite we are buying, with their accomplice fake wrap cell retailers deceiving proper customers. We need product datasheets and good reviews.

 

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So ture,agree with you Thumbs Up
actually i hate this behaviour too,there are no real batteries in aliexpress.

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Now that’s funny … but buddy fluttering vis hands and screaming
“DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY MONEY!”

Barkuti, you are quick to scorn us for thinking store 133859 is legitimate. You mentioned ‘all those’, but chose to pick a fight with me.

You try to convince us of your great knowledge that only store 217753 is real. Seems scrolling around some ‘official’ AlieExpress site linked you to the one-and-only Liitokala store. That is your ‘trustworthy information’ suitable for trolling.

I’m going to go with Liitokala English home-site link to their store 133859
Y’know, the one they call LiitoKala Official Flagship Store. They have a right to call it whatever they want. Too bad that upsets you.

I’m sure you will not admit being wrong.

Today, I received my blue-wrapped 26650 cells from AlieExpress store 133859.
I’m charging them, and intend to try a couple out in my Cometa tonight.

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