Massive fraud on 18650s in the Littokala Aliexpress stores!

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Yep.

They pulled a bait and swap on the buyers.

I think we should push it a step further.

How about we stop buying any of the Liitokala batteries? Even 26650s and 21700s?

That might stop the bad behavior. Maybe.

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I cannot agree with the “stop buying LiitoKala” thing. Judging others is no good, that is not the vibration of the original Creator which is unconditionally loving. This is something I've finally come to understand and my purification endeavour finally started.

 

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Yeah. I didn’t actually mean all of their products though. Their chargers are good.

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http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
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All this talk about Liitokala has got my curiosity up.

I have found two different websites & two different stores on AliExpress. They are listed below.

Has anyone found any other “Littokala Stores” besides the two I have listed below??

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Below is some of the info & contact info that came from the websites:

Liitokala Power Company

http://liitokala.com.cn/

ShenZhen LiitoKala Power Co.,LTD(ShenZhen charger factory)
Add: The 6F building 1,MaoBang industrial Area,No.8 Lingwu Industrial Road Junzibu, GuanLan Town,Baoan District,Shenzhen City,Guangdong,518110,China
Contact: Ashley zhang
TEL: +86 13760394452
website: www.liitokala.com.cn
Email : sales@liitokala.com.cn
Office hours: (HK Time) Mon – Sat: 9:00am – 22:00pm

LiitoKala Power Co.,LTD(DongGuan battery factory)
Add: No.38 Changsheng Road, Tiantangwei, Fenggang Town, Dongguan City, Guangdong,523690,China
website: www.liitokala.com.cn
Contact: ZhangNi
TEL: +86 13760394452
Email and Skype : liitokala@126.com
Office hours: (HK Time) Mon – Sat: 9:00am – 22:00pm

HongKong LiitoKala Power Co.,LTD(Hong Kong office)
Add: room 01,21/F,Prosper Commercial Building,9 Yin Chong Street,KowLoon,H.K
website: www.liitokala.com.cn
Contact: Cherleen
TEL: +86 13760394452
Email : liitokala@126.com
Office hours: (HK Time) Mon – Sat: 9:00am – 22:00pm
…….

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LiitoKala belonging to shenzhen XinShengLi power co., LTD
http://www.liito-kala.com/

Add: 6th Floor,Ling wu industral Road 8 D,Shenzhen Guanlan Junzhibu,Guangdong province,518110,China
Tel: +86-13417331508

Email:emily@liito-kala.com
Office hours: (HK Time) Mon – Fri : 9:00am – 6:00pm
Purchase link:
https://liitokala.aliexpress.com

LiitoKala Official Flagship Store [Store #133859] https://m.aliexpress.com/store/activities/seller/storeHomeFromAms.htm?st...

(from http://www.liito-kala.com/ )
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Liitokala Official Store [Store #217753]

https://m.aliexpress.com/store/activities/seller/storeHomeFromAms.htm?st...

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I found another one….

  • Liitokala Direct Store [Store #1823237)

https://m.aliexpress.com/store/activities/seller/storeHomeFromAms.htm?st...

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As I've said other times, AliExpress sellers can change their store names anytime. Clearest example I can show you is store number 1721160. I can recall it being named Colaier Direct Sales Store, then AM battery Store, later it was LiitoKala 0ficcial Store (notice the 0 Big Smile instead of an O) and as you can see it now is Charger Battery Store. Suffice to say it is run by a crook. 

 

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korkfoto wrote:
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Settled for 192 led, the estimated shipping is conservative, final shipping to the US for me was $1.94, -$1 new user discount, final price $23.53

So thanks for the deal! hope this one actually ships Silly

9 days since I ordered something from 192led and no sign of the tracking number…

Ok, after forgetting about it a while, its been two weeks and the tracking number is not active. The contact page promising 24 hour response does nothing, tried several times, and the live chat never works.

This is just a fraud site, guess add 192led to the list, have to file a paypal dispute now. Thought people recommending things in this thread had actually used the stores before, guess not.

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Zeroair tested one variation of these “30Q” Liitokalas from Aliexpress.

Spoiler: was not Samsung 30Q. Good capacity, useless in high current applications.

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/\ ….. Thanks for sharing that info & link maukka. . Thumbs Up

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maukka wrote:
Zeroair tested one variation of these “30Q” Liitokalas from Aliexpress.

Spoiler: was not Samsung 30Q. Good capacity, useless in high current applications.

Today I received an order of 12 30Q for $ 34.22.
Possibly they are the same ones that tested Zeroair.

First tests.
- four leg positive terminal.
- between 3.73 and 3.90V.
- between 45.6 and 46.3g.

I would have been surprised if I had received legit cells.
I will update…

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Yeah, I don’t like zeroair’s conclusions.

He should have said not to buy these cells at all. I don’t give money to fraudsters like the folks at Liitokala.

Four positive terminals means it’s a no go.

And why is there a 0,17V difference between cells? That’s not good…

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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maukka wrote:
Zeroair tested one variation of these “30Q” Liitokalas from Aliexpress.

Spoiler: was not Samsung 30Q. Good capacity, useless in high current applications.

Good chance they are LGF1 3350mAh 4.8A cells. Looks just like them, 4 posts and all. The LGF1 is commonly used in powerbanks and various battery packs. In bulk, they cost well under a dollar each.

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@RobertB, it’s an LG F1L.

However, there have been reports of cells leaking, having extremely high internal resistance, high self discharge(3 months!), etc.

I would not risk it.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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GreenLights wrote:
These are the cells I got and are 100% FAKE. At the time of order, the brand was listed as Panasonic. Since then they have changed the brand to LiitoKala, so you can’t dispute that you didn’t get genuine Panasonics. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW-5-pcs-lot-New-Original-18650-NCR1865...

You can still dispute it. NCR18650B is Panasonic’s part number and nobody else’s. And the listing says “Original”

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@RobertB, it’s an LG F1L.

However, there have been reports of cells leaking, having extremely high internal resistance, high self discharge(3 months!), etc.

I would not risk it.

I know what it is, I have several of them from a powerbank. Haven’t heard or seen those reports

using that @xxx, doesn’t page anyone.
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Sorry, just wanted to precise it’s an F1L, not F1. Might have been a bit too precise :\

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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Sorry, just wanted to precise it’s an F1L, not F1. Might have been a bit too precise :\

If you want to get real precise call it a LGABF1L. In the mean time, I’ll call it an LG-F1

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Those F1s are apparently really cheap in bulk too. I can imagine it would be pretty profitable to re-wrap and sell some for certain shady dealers… Angry

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If they just market the cells as what they really are then there would be no problems and probably have a lot of happy customers. They appear to be way better than xxxFires and also suitable for low drain applications. Then again almost anything is better than xxxFires, excluding Windyfire and maybe a few others.

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If they just market the cells as what they really are then there would be no problems and probably have a lot of happy customers. They appear to be way better than xxxFires and also suitable for low drain applications. Then again almost anything is better than xxxFires, excluding Windyfire and maybe a few others.

They can do it this way and make way more profit without facing consequences. Honestly the majority of their customers probably don’t even know (or want to know) that the cells they received are counterfeit.

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Until now, I only bought from aliexpress from all the liitokala stores.
- 6 pieces 26650 black liitokala (very good)
- More than 20 pieces 18650 (Panasonic 3400mah cells, samsung 2600mah)
-I have to get home and 2 pieces LG 3000mah.

Until now, I had no problems. XHP70 does not work with turbo mode when using Panasonic 3400mah, but when using samsung 2600mah it works Smile

Unfortunately, we received 5 liotokala (panasonic) 3400mah batteries with PCB, and one of them fired in the charger. Facepalm

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4PCS-LOT-Original-18650-NCR18650B-3-6V-3400mAh-Rechargeable-Li-ion-Protected-Batteries-with-PCB-For/32304934813.html?spm=2114.13010708.0.0.3a994c4dM6iWBD

See the last one star review. I also put pictures. Shocked

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When did you submit the original review?

I can’t see which one it is.

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http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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23 Nov 2018 09:43 , and feedback 26 Nov 2018 11:56

I’ve lost faith in using them … including the charger.

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Coman wrote:

Unfortunately, we received 5 liotokala (panasonic) 3400mah batteries with PCB, and one of them fired in the charger. Facepalm

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4PCS-LOT-Original-18650-NCR18650B-3-6V-3400mAh-Rechargeable-Li-ion-Protected-Batteries-with-PCB-For/32304934813.html

See the last one star review. I also put pictures. Shocked

Neat MOSFET gate feeding strip short-circuit.

However, we still do not know what sort of cell is that. Could you please completely unwrap and carefully photograph one of the cells, Coman? So we can see its actual flat top clearly, and the cylinder markings if present.

 

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Coman wrote:
23 Nov 2018 09:43 , and feedback 26 Nov 2018 11:56

I’ve lost faith in using them … including the charger.

is it the cell that fried or the protection circuit. One of my concerns with protected cells is the circuit shorting out.
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Oh god… The protection circuit actually failed to open.

A protected cell got damaged by its own protection circuit.

That’s even worse if a cell would fail, as it would shut down by itself.

A protection circuit failure can take a down an 18650 with it, which is way worse.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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Scary. Good thing it didn’t start a fire.

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BlueSwordM wrote:
Oh god... The protection circuit actually failed to open.

What makes you think the protection circuit failed to open? I am pretty sure it opened up.

What happened there is the original cell wrap got torn below the cathode to anode nickel strip, causing a short-circuit. That's all folks.

Cells protected with P-channel MOSFETs do not have this problem. It has to do with the way cells are because the whole can body apart from the inner flat top is at cathode potential. 

 

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This Liitokala fraud is unacceptable. Should this forum ban all Liitokala ads and sales here? I think it’s not similar to fake lumens number of flashlight. This is misleading buyers into believing there are genuine branded cells under Liitokala wrapping.

cool i'll see you when you get there

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DENGOH wrote:
This Liitokala fraud is unacceptable. Should this forum ban all Liitokala ads and sales here? …

No one forces you to buy LiitoKala. This problem namely has to do with the battery market and spurious AliExpress. Many independent sellers under AliExpress umbrella, and they're not the same thing.

Some related information:

Right now I am not buying Liitowhatever cells because of deception. It has to do with them liking to overstate wrap figures and falsifying brand names. Very much like what vaping cell rewrappers do blatantly.

 

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