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I haven’t owned 1000’s of lights like some here have so I can only speak to my own experience. I have more than a few smooth finish lights. A few in stainless and a few copper and brass. Have ya’ll tried to use these smooth lights on a regular basis? It’s pure hell I tell ya. They spend more time on the ground than they do in my hands. Smile They are jewelry, not practical at all. The only reason I have them is because nobody I knew wanted them. If they did take one they brought it back right quick.

I suppose if you just want a pretty light and don’t plan on using it then, I get it. That would make much more sense. Not putting down a non-knurled light at all. There is one sitting right next to this keyboard. I would never carry the darn thing, though it is really pretty to look at. I have knives that serve no useful purpose other than to look pretty so I can relate. I also don’t sharpen them either. Big Smile

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Simon, is it possible to get Nichia 219C 2700k tint in this light ?
Oh, this tint is too warm, Rare people need it,

but i would perhaps consider buy this light for this kind of tint, otherwise i think not maybe.. after i got the d4s with 3000k tint it would be fun go even lower hehe. so consider it simon Smile

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I haven’t owned 1000’s of lights like some here have so I can only speak to my own experience. I have more than a few smooth finish lights. A few in stainless and a few copper and brass. Have ya’ll tried to use these smooth lights on a regular basis? It’s pure hell I tell ya. They spend more time on the ground than they do in my hands. Smile They are jewelry, not practical at all. The only reason I have them is because nobody I knew wanted them. If they did take one they brought it back right quick.

I suppose if you just want a pretty light and don’t plan on using it then, I get it. That would make much more sense. Not putting down a non-knurled light at all. There is one sitting right next to this keyboard. I would never carry the darn thing, though it is really pretty to look at. I have knives that serve no useful purpose other than to look pretty so I can relate. I also don’t sharpen them either. Big Smile

I’m sure many will buy this indeed as jewelry, in fact 195 out of my 200 flashlights get no use, but I see your point: also in my opinion it is a proper idea that in principle a flashlight should be made to use it and not just look pretty. A way to avoid knurling is of course to increase the machined rings and grooves on the light, i.e. like foursevens did with the copper preon p1 (which I do not neccessarily like, too regular ringing, they could have had a bit more fantasy)

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Simon if you produce a Copper S2+ without the knurling I will definitely buy one. Prefer flashlight with no knurling because it looks cool Thumbs Up
Do you mean completely smooth surface?

Yeah completely smooth. Smooth tail cap and head too.

If you say the knurling can increase the defect rate, perhaps some people will buy completely smooth ones for a slightly cheaper price. I will buy one, and would also buy S2+ Aluminum in smooth.

so what about totally smooth without logo ,and change the rubber button to metal (stainless steel)

Please do it!

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That Preon is really nice looking. I had one, don’t remember why I got rid of it. I reckon I should have kept it.

I understand the minimalist knurling idea for show off lights. There is a bit of joy in getting them off the shelf or out of the drawer for a good polishing and playing with for a little bit.

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Simon Mao wrote:
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Simon, is it possible to get Nichia 219C 2700k tint in this light ?
Oh, this tint is too warm, Rare people need it,

I would love it! As an option for us tint snob.

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Can someone post a picture of a smooth light? I’ve never seen one.
I think a smooth copper S2 would look like a water pipe. Not good.

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You have seen smooth lights, he just implies no knurling. It would still have fins and clip cutouts, etc… I like the examples below but I do not think a smooth copper S2+ needs to be made. Just an 18350 tube….

RobertB’s run of smooth reylights:

Emisar D4/D1:

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A dead smooth copper S2 + would indeed look like a 3/4 inch water pipe.

But a tastefully done smoothish S2+ can be bead blasted to present a stealthy tactile grip surface.

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Simon, is it possible to get Nichia 219C 2700k tint in this light ?
Oh, this tint is too warm, Rare people need it,

but i would perhaps consider buy this light for this kind of tint, otherwise i think not maybe.. after i got the d4s with 3000k tint it would be fun go even lower hehe. so consider it simon Smile

ok i will try to get some

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If having trouble sourcing 2700K Nichia 219C emitters, Arrow has a couple XP-Gx emitter types “in stock” worth mentioning: XPGBWT-U1-0000-00AE8 (CRI90+ E8 XP-G2s in a modest flux) in 1K quantities, and nearly 3K pieces of XPGDWT-U1-0000-00DE8 (CRI90+ E8 XP-G3s). E8 is the full 8X ≈2700K tints group, but maybe Arrow can serve something more specific for a minimum amount of pieces order.

Free worldwide shipping at Arrow. 

 

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Smooth, polished even. And even though I designed it to fit my hand with a distal taper and a reverse flare to the tail cap… well, it’s still slippery in the hand and somewhat difficult to hold onto. I’ve never dropped it, but it takes some concentration.

My very first scratch built light, days after getting a lathe. Had I known then what I know now, it would have come out differently of course. But it is what it is… do I use it? Sometimes. The threat of dropping it does influence my decision as to when to carry it though. Almost 4 years old already. How does that happen?

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djozz wrote:
195 out of my 200 flashlights get no use…

This got me curious, so I did a quick check. Out of about 130 lights, I could almost narrow it down to just one which actually gets used. There are others, but their use is infrequent. And the total is fuzzy because in some cases it’s hard to say what counts as a light and what is just parts or a dev host. Some of the categories overlap. Anyway, I counted:

  • ~130 total.
  • ~40 to gift or sell.
  • ~70 which “mean something” — a physical remnant of something worth remembering. Like there are some custom items from people who wanted to say thanks, some samples sent during a BLF project, the light my father carried until he died, etc.
  • ~15 which get used at least occasionally — even if just for a single purpose like chasing away a noisy owl who likes to hang out three meters above my bed.
  • 1 for daily purposes, used probably a hundred times per week.

So I basically have a bunch of keepsakes, a bunch of lights to find new homes for, a handful of niche items, and one main practical flashlight.

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195 out of my 200 flashlights get no use…
  • 1 for daily purposes, used probably a hundred times per week.

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Which one?!

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Which one?!

Doesn’t really matter. Each person has their own preferences, and the one(s) you like are, by definition, the best.

I try not to encourage people to argue about whose favorite is best. It’s a bit like arguing over taste in music. Just enjoy what you like… even if it’s Nickelback.

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Which one?!

Doesn’t really matter. Each person has their own preferences, and the one(s) you like are, by definition, the best.

I try not to encourage people to argue about whose favorite is best. It’s a bit like arguing over taste in music. Just enjoy what you like… even if it’s Nickelback.

I completely agree with you. I’m just curious and this is a discussion forum after all Smile .

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ToyKeeper wrote:
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Which one?!

Doesn't really matter. …

Yes I also have a souped up SK98, no need to hide it ToyKeeper. Sexy zoomies to power! 

 

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Simon Mao wrote:
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Simon, is it possible to get Nichia 219C 2700k tint in this light ?
Oh, this tint is too warm, Rare people need it,

but i would perhaps consider buy this light for this kind of tint, otherwise i think not maybe.. after i got the d4s with 3000k tint it would be fun go even lower hehe. so consider it simon Smile

ok i will try to get some

To Simon, and all people, who requested 2700K Nichia 219C:

instead of that, I think, Luminus SST-20 of 2700K could be also considered. That emitter has superior deep reds in the spectrum compared to the Nichia 219C (R9 above 85 vs around 60).

Also, I think, people would love to see SST-20 3500K, as nearly nobody sells that, but it is a very sweet CCT.

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To Simon, and all people, who requested 2700K Nichia 219C:

instead of that, I think, Luminus SST-20 of 2700K could be also considered. That emitter has superior deep reds in the spectrum compared to the Nichia 219C (R9 above 85 vs around 60).

Also, I think, people would love to see SST-20 3500K, as nearly nobody sells that, but it is a very sweet CCT.

I have four of the 2700K sst-20 in a custom built Convoy M2 Quad. It’s an awesome light. Lovely color, and very good color consistency, better then my R9050 2700K 219C. Expect a color warmer then the 219C as that emitter tends to hit 2850K while the sst-20 delivers a more of a 2700K, solidly hitting the mark. Color temperature across the beam is better and more uniform then the 219C.

I’m also working on a 3000K sst-20 light, and it also delivers a solid color temperature of 3000K. I really like the sst-20 range so far, it isn’t like Cree or Nichia that tend to be off with their warm white CCT. I hate the newer flip-chip Cree’s. Thier XP-E2 2700K fails to hit the mark metering around 3000K in frosted TIR optics. Without the TIR, it’s a Cree rainbow with the hotspot hitting 3100K+ and the yellowish rings hitting the 2900K range. Their 3000K models tend to show similar upwards bias.

Barkuti wrote:
If having trouble sourcing 2700K Nichia 219C emitters, Arrow has a couple XP-Gx emitter types “in stock” worth mentioning: XPGBWT-U1-0000-00AE8 (CRI90+ E8 XP-G2s in a modest flux) in 1K quantities, and nearly 3K pieces of XPGDWT-U1-0000-00DE8 (CRI90+ E8 XP-G3s). E8 is the full 8X ≈2700K tints group, but maybe Arrow can serve something more specific for a minimum amount of pieces order.

I don’t know as much about the XP-G2 series, but I would probably avoid the XP-G3 in the warmer tint bins. I tested what was sold as some ANSI White 8B/2800K emitter that was very much over 3000K. It looked like they tried to play some sort of visual trickery to make the CCT appear warmer then what it was but failed. It had this unnatural rose/reddish tint, and poor color consistency across the beam. It did not play well the the orange peel reflector.

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adam7027 wrote:
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mortuus wrote:
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Simon, is it possible to get Nichia 219C 2700k tint in this light ?
Oh, this tint is too warm, Rare people need it,

but i would perhaps consider buy this light for this kind of tint, otherwise i think not maybe.. after i got the d4s with 3000k tint it would be fun go even lower hehe. so consider it simon Smile

ok i will try to get some

To Simon, and all people, who requested 2700K Nichia 219C:

instead of that, I think, Luminus SST-20 of 2700K could be also considered. That emitter has superior deep reds in the spectrum compared to the Nichia 219C (R9 above 85 vs around 60).

Also, I think, people would love to see SST-20 3500K, as nearly nobody sells that, but it is a very sweet CCT.

ok ,i will try to order SST20 3500K and 2700K,
SST20 1000PCS in a reel but 219C 3000PCS in a reel,
219C costs me too much Big Smile

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I’d like to get another chance at the S2+ Copper. I only bought my first S2+ from FT in Jan. They haven’t arrived yet (hit customs this morning) Sad I saw the copper ones, but I had also gone a little haywire with spending on a new Leatherman Charge+, 2) BLF A6s, another budget flipper knife (Eafengrow EF66), Ti toothpicks and a bunch of other random things.

So, yeah, reading and following others’ suggestions for updates… Smooth body w/18350, triple Nichia 219, stainless switch cover and A6 driver. Too much to ask from a newbie? :popcorn:

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I hear ya cetary. Only XP-G3 I've seen is a high CRI 5700K one which I bought from AEDe long ago. Not bad, but green (still one of them inside my led emitter cache).

I second the SST-20 high CRI proposal, tiny throwy turbo emitter. I mean, Big Smile cool.

 

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Dougiestyle wrote:
I’d like to get another chance at the S2+ Copper. I only bought my first S2+ from FT in Jan. They haven’t arrived yet (hit customs this morning) Sad I saw the copper ones, but I had also gone a little haywire with spending on a new Leatherman Charge+, 2) BLF A6s, another budget flipper knife (Eafengrow EF66), Ti toothpicks and a bunch of other random things.

So, yeah, reading and following others’ suggestions for updates… Smooth body w/18350, triple Nichia 219, stainless switch cover and A6 driver. Too much to ask from a newbie? :popcorn:

You could build yourself one just like that, minus the copper part, all the parts are readily available and fairly cheap. Grab a host on Convoy’s AliExpress page. All the cool new colors are there, or you can take some oven cleaner to the light and strip off all the anodizing and have a raw aluminum custom light you built yourself. Super easy. If you get stuck on anything somebody is always here to help you out.

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Simon Mao wrote:
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To Simon, and all people, who requested 2700K Nichia 219C:

instead of that, I think, Luminus SST-20 of 2700K could be also considered. That emitter has superior deep reds in the spectrum compared to the Nichia 219C (R9 above 85 vs around 60).

Also, I think, people would love to see SST-20 3500K, as nearly nobody sells that, but it is a very sweet CCT.

ok ,i will try to order SST20 3500K and 2700K,
SST20 1000PCS in a reel but 219C 3000PCS in a reel,
219C costs me too much Big Smile

Thank you very much Party

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Great, i wasnt aware the sst20 comes in 2700k, for me it wouldnt matter much really who makes the emitters as long as its very warm Big Smile

Simon so lets go buy it some sst20 emitters then ok…

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Great, i wasnt aware the sst20 comes in 2700k, for me it wouldnt matter much really who makes the emitters as long as its very warm Big Smile

Simon so lets go buy it some sst20 emitters then ok…

i have got 1000pcs SST20 2700K ,i will add it in my store after several days later

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Simon have you decided what the next batch will look like?

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Simon please let us know when you get the 3500k sst20. Thanks!

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Simon have you decided what the next batch will look like?

i will send photos several days later

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Simon please let us know when you get the 3500k sst20. Thanks!

SST20 3500K not in stock
i only got 2700k

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