Sofirn SP70 Alone $50, PM for AMZ US CODE(LIMITED)

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:

Some essential information I got from the SP70 manual:

  • According to the manual the flashlight is designed for 26650 and 18650 (with adapter sleeve) only. For batteries, maximum diameter is 26.9mm and maximum length is 71mm. I asked Sofirn about 21700 compatibility. They said it’s working but not recommended as spring compression will be very tight. I have some doubts as flat top 21700 would not make contact out of the box, so one needs to solder a blob onto one’s unprotected 21700 cells or use a neodym magnet as protected batteries might be way too long.
  • There is no information if flat top or button top cells need to be used. I highly recommended to add the information to use button top cells only but Sofirn says it works with both types.
  • Maximum intensity is 89,733 cd or 687m @ 5,500 lumens. The ANSI/NEMA FL1 test was performed with 2× 26650 with 4,800mAh.
  • The SP70 is rated with IP68 ingress protection.
  • The lens is toughened mineral glas but without AR coating.
  • ATR (advanced temperature regulation) will be triggered at 60°C on the driver. For comparison: The C8F triggers ATR at 50°C and the SP33 XHP50.2 triggers ATR at 55°C already.
  • There will be a two-stage stepdown from Turbo: After 3min on Turbo (5,500 lm) the SP70 steps down to High (3,000 lm). After 30min there will be a second stepdown but there’s no information to what level it will be reduced.
  • It will have a power indicator to show the battery status and to work as a locator LED when in standby.
  • The SP70 will have two mode groups (group 1: 6 stepped modes, group 2: ramping) that can be changed with 6 fast clicks.
  • It can also be locked-out electronically by 4 fast clicks.
  • Strobe will probably be activated by 3 fast clicks but I need to ask Sofirn again as it’s not mentioned how to activate it.

There is no Strobe but only Beacon which is decided when the project started. People say Strobe is not a must. Furthermore, a strobe-enabled flashlight will need a confirm or register (something like that) in EU in 2019.

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Thank you Barry! I was only confused as I found this in the specification in Sofirn‘s SP70 manual:

 

Mode Memory : Last mode remembered - it memorizes the last brightness level used in the general modes (except Strobe)“

 

I guess Strobe needs to be exchanged by Beacon then.

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Barry0892 wrote:
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They said 5350K to 5700K.
Perfect!! Great choice Sofirn…. Thumbs Up
Sorry, but it’s 6000K – 6500K
No problem… that’s great too as far as I am concerned. Thumbs Up

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Barry0892 wrote:
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They said 5350K to 5700K.

Sorry, but it’s 6000K – 6500K

Is this what Sofirn said they were going to use?

So we are moving from 2C/2D to 1C/1D?

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Is it gonna be available as a host? I’m not really interested in CW..

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Is it gonna be available as a host? I’m not really interested in CW..

Unknown at this point.

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JasonWW wrote:
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Is it gonna be available as a host? I’m not really interested in CW..

Unknown at this point.

I do not believe that they sell it as host, e.g. because of the glued driver and the lack of retainer ring.
Their C8F is for sale as host. They are not a company who does not sell hosts at all.
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Personally, I do not expect them to offer the SP70 as host version as I think it would only be negligibly lower priced compared to the full flashlight. If you deduct the XHP70.2, the LED board and the driver they still need to get a reasonable margin and I do not not expect a host version sold for $ 25-30 less. It also depends on how much revenue they would make with a host version, especially if they offered it with a smooth orange peel reflector only. I think this is different in comparison to the widely used and more versatile C8S or C8F host they have for sale.

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We already agreed on the NW tint?

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i thought Sofirm would go for something like 5200-5300 K ?
Its getting a quite messy thread, difficult to find it.

But basically, all aspects of this light are already discussed, the waiting is for a final product now

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Yea we all agreed on NW 5350-5700k tint months ago. Even in post number one it says this.

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Yea we all agreed on NW 5350-5700k tint months ago. Even in post number one it says this.

I mean if you haven’t seen the pattern yet.. Forum asks for one thing in relative agreement and they end up doing whatever they want. Sometimes with explanation and sometimes not. It is what it is. Hopefully they know the “rest” of their market better than we think we do.

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I do not believe that they sell it as host, e.g. because of the glued driver and the lack of retainer ring.

I told them to not use any glue and instead to use a retaining ring. They agreed.

Why do you think otherwise?

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I would say this option was locked in and agreed upon 100%. It was the whole point of this project but then again so was the SMO reflector option.

I guess its hard to deal with companies that have a ever revolving door of reps that come and go fairly frequent. Every few months the reps change and a new one comes in and tries to out do the last one to save a few bucks to look good.

I don’t blame the reps they are paid very little and have to live in hostels with there team and are thrown in the deep end right away.

Plus you lose the rapport between us and the reps.

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Personally, I do not expect them to offer the SP70 as host version as I think it would only be negligibly lower priced compared to the full flashlight. If you deduct the XHP70.2, the LED board and the driver they still need to get a reasonable margin and I do not not expect a host version sold for $ 25-30 less. It also depends on how much revenue they would make with a host version, especially if they offered it with a smooth orange peel reflector only. I think this is different in comparison to the widely used and more versatile C8S or C8F host they have for sale.

Convoy did it with the L6 so I wouldn’t put it out of the realm of possibility even if I do agree it seems unlikely.

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I guess its hard to deal with companies that have a ever revolving door of reps that come and go fairly frequent. Every few months the reps change and a new one comes in and tries to out do the last one to save a few bucks to look good.

I don’t blame the reps they are paid very little and have to live in hostels with there team and are thrown in the deep end right away.

Plus you lose the rapport between us and the reps.


What are you talking about? I’ve dealt with Tracy from day one. No one has changed.

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While that may be true Jason, Barry keeps coming into the forum and raining on your parade.

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We have had numerous reps comment on this post. I have not seen a message from Tracey on this thread for a while.
Plus any one could be using that account?

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everydaysurvivalgear wrote:
We have had numerous reps comment on this post. I have not seen a message from Tracey on this thread for a while.
Plus any one could be using that account?

What reps?

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We have had comments and feedback fromTracey, the Sofirn account and Barry? The Sofirn account has had multiple reps i have spoken to a few different reps.

I’m not really here to argue i am just stating that this is not helping the build having different info coming from different people.

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Sofirn should really keep developing the SMO even if they end up not using it for this exact light.

If they put in the effort they could have a reusable host and choose a single die thrower LED (white flat, dedomed, SST40, whatever) w/ buck driver and immediately have a competitive new 1500M thrower..

Look at what Maxtoch did with the Shooter 2x. Seems to have stood the test of time and has evolved with multiple LED options (including XHP70). Now they also have a new larger shooter coming out with 2×21700 and a bigger reflector.

Each short cut Sofirn takes is probably costing them extra time in the long run and quality of future lights. They are designing too many entirely new lights and maintaining way too many inferior products. Spend the time to do it right and make something that will define your brand which you can make incremental changes to. Emisar, Olight, etc have people re-buying the same well designed lights in new LEDs/ano colors/metals all the time.

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To be clear, the only Sofirn reps I’ve talked to and who posted on this thread (as far as I know) is Tracy.

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I don't mean to contradict you Jason but my perception here is that Sofirn's BLF account might be also used by other team members of Sofirn. For instance, "Adelina" is frequently communicating on TLF but when I wrote Sofirn here on BLF she also read my messages, so that supports my theory that the account is not solely used by Tracy.

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Yeah… I have gotten PM’s from three different people on that account. Which does not bother me, they all were very helpful.

But in this thread, judging from different answers given; it does seem a bit as if the left hand does not know what the right is doing. Big Smile . I’m sure it will get sorted out though. Wink

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Or its one person with a personality disorder hahaha

I mean i talk to my self on the odd occasion lol

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/\ For all we know it actually could be the same person using different names. Big Smile

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What is on the end of every battery? A steel cap.

It is never steel. Steel has normally ten times the resistance of what they use: Nickel

Interesting. So the flat tops on the OEM cells are Nickel and that’s why they are magnetic?

I wonder what the add-on button tops are made of? Steel or Nickel?. It would be nice if I could find some Nickel button tops.

The metal strips to make battery packs for tools are nickel.
Steel is horrible as conductor. I have never read what kind of material they are. I could be a coating.

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Without doubt the can of a cell is steel, magnetic in other words. The top cap, or positive contact surface, is also magnetic so it too is steel regardless of whether or not it has a coating on it to prevent rust or tarnish from developing. Use magnetic lead chargers and you find out really quick which cells have non-steel base plates covering the protection circuit and such.

Use flat tops in a series light and stick a magnet on the positive cap, it also sticks to the negative end of the cell and they come out of the light together, like a stick. Steel. Otherwise the magnet would not attach.

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Don’t know that it matters to this discussion, but my nickel 200 is magnetic

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