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Need help im new

ive been considering getting a real flashlight for awhile, ive been eyeing thrunights as that is what one of my friends who is into flashlights has and likes but ive decided I want a thrower and ive been looking at the Convoy L2. is this light any good? are there better throwers at this price point? is it upgradable? could I get something and add some parts to it to make it better then an L2? im a competent solderer and could do simple mods. my only parameters for a light are basically around $50, good thrower, 1000+ lumens, and nicely made, not to worried about battery type or brand

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I don’t have a Convoy L2 but I have some other Convoy lights. I know Convoy brand is very high quality and budget priced. There are some reviews for Convoy L2 on this site. Here’s one I randomly pulled up for you with the Search box (top left of window). Conclusion is that it’s an excellent light. Wink

Another option is the newly released Lumintop GT Mini. This is another thrower from a decent brand, and is similar in size and price to the Convoy L2. To me, it looks a lot nicer. The styling is a lot more elegant. Convoy lights often have that cheapy “tactical” look about them. But, that’s just my personal opinion. Some people like the tactical look. Innocent If you’d like to see what the Lumintop GT Mini is about, you can check out the M4D M4X group buy here.

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hmm that GT mini isn’t bad looking but people seem to like the L2 and they are both pretty similar in performance and size and so but I like the look of the convoy more, so as of now ill say its probably my first choice.

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Check this out: Powerful 3500LM Sofirn C8F V2.0 Flashlight. I like Sofirn products but don't care for side switches. Give us some more of your thoughts. 

 

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hmm, im not really a big fan of multi LEDs id probably get more distance with a single right? and it probably would get much hotter then a single would, but that’s an interesting light cant find a beam distance on amazon though

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Go with Thrunite V6. Very go throw and good spill. OR go with Lumintop ODC

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Yeah, for throw, you want a single LED, with a small die, but very high luminance, and a large smooth, high quality reflector to collimate the beam. Either the Convoy L2 or the Lumintop GT Mini will do the job, in your price range. If you like the Convoy better, then go for it. As I said before, they are very high quality, budget priced lights.

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mmalive wrote:
Go with Thrunite V6. Very go throw and good spill. OR go with Lumintop ODC

OP’s budget is $50. Wink

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Yogertdog,

Do you have 18650’s and a charger? Can you afford those on top of the cost of the light?

If not, might be better off with a Convoy C8+ with Biscotti, a couple high drain capable 18650’s, and a half decent charger.

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DavidEF wrote:
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Go with Thrunite V6. Very go throw and good spill. OR go with Lumintop ODC
OP’s budget is $50. Wink

If that is the case then go with Convoy L2. Convoy L6 is better but higher priced.

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Yeah I got 18650s and a good charger (XTAR) but my 18650s arnt great but Ill probably get good ones when I get a light (or 26650s depending on the light I get) im not really including them in the price of the light

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batteries arnt something to skimp on

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mmalive wrote:
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Go with Thrunite V6. Very go throw and good spill. OR go with Lumintop ODC
OP’s budget is $50. Wink

If that is the case then go with Convoy L2. Convoy L6 is better but higher priced.


L6 is more a flood light isn’t it? I want more of a thrower.
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The L2 is a solid and nice flashlight. I don’t have the stock numbers but since you asked for mods – here are my numbers:
with dedomed XP-L V6 1A and FET+1 driver I measured almost 1400 lumens and 280,000 cd with Liitokala 5200 cell, good for more than 1000 meters ANSI throw. I consider this modded light a good thrower for its size. But you should know the L2 has a forward clicky what not everybody likes.

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yogertdog wrote:
mmalive wrote:
DavidEF wrote:
mmalive wrote:
Go with Thrunite V6. Very go throw and good spill. OR go with Lumintop ODC
OP’s budget is $50. Wink

If that is the case then go with Convoy L2. Convoy L6 is better but higher priced.


L6 is more a flood light isn’t it? I want more of a thrower.

Nope L6 is pretty good thrower with decent spill.
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Lumintop GT mini i would recommend costs like 40$ or less now and takes 1 18650 and has some decent throw for its size. just use a high drain battery in that light for best effect.

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just go with the L2 for a good starter, any other side option you’re considering is going to eventually end up in your collection, trust me

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yogertdog wrote:
L6 is more a flood light isn’t it? I want more of a thrower.

They are both throwers. The L2 has more throw but the L6 is brighter. I only have an L6 so I can’t do a direct comparison,

Stock L2 is single 26650 with an LD29 driver and a tail switch. Lo (80mA) Med (900mA) High (3000mA) XML2 or XPL Hi emitter in various tints. Convoy say 1100lm max . There is an extension tube to run 2 26650 in series. With the extension tube, the L2 looks very similar to the L6. The L2 has a slightly smaller head.

L6 is two 26650s in series and the FX-30 driver. There is a forward click tail switch for on-off and a side switch changes modes. Lo(50mA) med (200mA) High (1700mA) Turbo (5000mA). Stock 5A Turbo is about 3800lm. XHP-70 LED on a copper DTP board. The stock reflector is OP but you can swap in a smooth one for a bit more throw.

Some 26650 batteries don’t fit in an L6.

The L6 is slightly out of your budget. You might get close with a coupon code or deal.

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I just saw this in the thread “Future development of the maximum luminance of LEDs “ post #223 LichtAn put one of the new Osram emitter that’s the new throw king in a Lumintop GT Mini. led4power is selling the emitter, but he has limited stock. So better get one while he has them available! Else, you’ll have to wait until they hit the general market. No telling when that will be.

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DavidEF wrote:
I just saw this in the thread “Future development of the maximum luminance of LEDs “ post #223 LichtAn put one of the new Osram emitter that’s the new throw king in a Lumintop GT Mini. led4power is selling the emitter, but he has limited stock. So better get one while he has them available! Else, you’ll have to wait until they hit the general market. No telling when that will be.

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so in that guy’s post what does cd mean? and is that an LED and driver? and if so would it basically just drop into the gt mini?
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Flashy Mike wrote:
The L2 is a solid and nice flashlight. I don’t have the stock numbers but since you asked for mods – here are my numbers:
with dedomed XP-L V6 1A and FET+1 driver I measured almost 1400 lumens and 280,000 cd with Liitokala 5200 cell, good for more than 1000 meters ANSI throw. I consider this modded light a good thrower for its size. But you should know the L2 has a forward clicky what not everybody likes.

about how much would it cost for upgrades like that? cause I can always ad those on later down the line
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yogertdog wrote:
DavidEF wrote:
I just saw this in the thread “Future development of the maximum luminance of LEDs “ post #223 LichtAn put one of the new Osram emitter that’s the new throw king in a Lumintop GT Mini. led4power is selling the emitter, but he has limited stock. So better get one while he has them available! Else, you’ll have to wait until they hit the general market. No telling when that will be.

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so in that guy’s post what does cd mean? and is that an LED and driver? and if so would it basically just drop into the gt mini?

He says in another post further down, that he did nothing but change the LED only. And cd means candela. It is the measurement of the luminance of the output. It’s how the throw is determined. The bigger the number, the better the throw. Usually, the lights are measured in kcd, or a thousand(s) candelas.

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ok, so im just curious can you translate candela into beam distance or get an idea of what it should be with a proper reflector?

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Yeah, there’s a calculation for it. You have to define first how much light you want reflected back from the distance you’re trying to measure. That sounds complicated, but it just means that you decide how much light is enough to say you ‘reached’ a certain distance. Most guys around here use 1/4 lux as the minimum, and the calculation for that is the square root of the total candela, multiplied then by 2.

Look through this thread for a bit more info.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the answer is in meters. So, using that formula, the throw of the light in question would be:

sqrt(282,000) × 2 = (531.037) × 2 = 1062.074 meters until the light is only 1/4 lux

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yogertdog wrote:
about how much would it cost for upgrades like that? cause I can always ad those on later down the line
Depends. First you need the LED on MCPCB. I would not recommend to dedome a XP-L since its not easy. I would rather buy a XP-L HI, it comes without dome from factory, about 7$ on MCPCB at Int-Outdoor, maybe cheaper at Kaidomain.

Do you want more than one brightness level? If not, you don’t even need a driver, you could just bridge the original driver and drive the LED directly. FET+1 drivers are available for a couple of dollars at Banggood. But as I said, this light has a forward clicky, which is not nice to use with this driver.

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about how much would it cost for upgrades like that? cause I can always ad those on later down the line
Depends. First you need the LED on MCPCB. I would not recommend to dedome a XP-L since its not easy. I would rather buy a XP-L HI, it comes without dome from factory, about 7$ on MCPCB at Int-Outdoor, maybe cheaper at Kaidomain.

Do you want more than one brightness level? If not, you don’t even need a driver, you could just bridge the original driver and drive the LED directly. FET+1 drivers are available for a couple of dollars at Banggood. But as I said, this light has a forward clicky, which is not nice to use with this driver.


I don’t really need much more brightness its probably not a big enough increase to notice, once you get to 1000 lumens going up just a little bit really isn’t worth it, and $7 aint bad at all, now all I need to do is look into batteries
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oh brightness levels? does the L2 not have levels?
Id kinda like that im not gonna run 100% 24/7

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so yeah brightness levels is a must, and what do you mean tricky with a side switch?

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he he just got some birthday cash so ill probably be ordering an L2 soon

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Maybe you could look at some of the 4AA lights. Sofirn SF11 is an inexpensive option. There are several brands to choose from and they have Decient throw for the money you are willing to spend. Sure some of the others here can guide you to the other options.

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