It cant even do 60k lumens for 60 seconds on the original and now they want to bump it to 90k
Let’s see how fast we can drain the batteries i guess

They wanna smash the records clean……. don’t want Imalent to catch up.

But seriously, really time for them to use the 21700.

Not a new concept though.

So, what happens to those who shelled out big bucks very recently and bought the X70/MS12?

I told myself to resist X70 until X70 NW. Now I tell myself to resist till X70GT NW.

Perpetual Lumen wrote:

It cant even do 60k lumens for 60 seconds on the original and now they want to bump it to 90k
Let’s see how fast we can drain the batteries i guess

Thats more interesting than x70. Time to save money for this bad boy.

Perpetual Lumen wrote:

It cant even do 60k lumens for 60 seconds on the original and now they want to bump it to 90k Let’s see how fast we can drain the batteries i guess

I agree from my experience..

I have a fenix tk72r with the triple xhp70.2.. 11000 lumen light drains battery pretty quick on the turbo…

2100 wrote:

So, what happens to those who shelled out big bucks very recently and bought the X70/MS12?

smells a bit like wet paint

At 90k lumens it will be using over 500W.
Most of that will turn into heat, so only a few seconds it will be able to run at 90k.

2100 wrote:

So, what happens to those who shelled out big bucks very recently and bought the X70/MS12?

Definitely a niche product. No doubt some will purchase as a toy; others may have a real need.

One thing, for sure, I wouldn't want to get strobed by this bad boy!

Enderman wrote:

At 90k lumens it will be using over 500W. Most of that will turn into heat, so only a few seconds it will be able to run at 90k.

That is my problem with all of this lumen war going on right now. It is awesome to see competition, competition pushes innovation which is good. However with this huge lumen monsters they have to be near the limits of what 18650 is capable of on terms of output. Also this light reminds me of the X80 GT, huge lumen that last 29-30seconds.

I wish manufacturers would list max and sustained lumen output. AdventureSport did a great video comparing the Thrunite TN36 Limited vs X80GT and by far the X80GT won brightest however the TN36 was able to double lumen output sustained vs the X80GT.

This is all coming from a guy with the flashlights in the sig so I do like big lumen but 90k is wow lol

Can someone email acebeam to use 20700/21700 battery pack on the x70-gt. Thanks.

Yea I agree with Newlumen. Pointless for 18650 if it will be pushing 90k lumens

I need to give credit where it is due. The Imalent DX80 was the only flashlight in which the law enforcement (once by helicopter and once by patrol car) immediately paid attention and investigated with zeal every time I turned it on. I ended up cease using flashlights for nearly one year, and sold all my DX80’s entirely. I would call Imalent DX80 the Master of Disaster of flashlights. Crazy lumens matter.

If this sounds like the right super torch for you, I would recommend.

I heard acebeam doesnt make 20700 pack because of the regulation of shipping batteries. (
100wh ).

Well here is a solution for the acebeam. . build a 20700/21700 battery carrier !!

Oh shucks, if there is indeed a 100Wh limit, that means 12-cell batt packs is not ok.

How are we supposed to go over 100k lumens comfortably in the future then?

2100 wrote:

Oh shucks, if there is indeed a 100Wh limit, that means 12-cell batt packs is not ok.

How are we supposed to go over 100k lumens comfortably in the future then?

B) increase LED efficiency

C) realize that you really don’t need 100k lumens

Brainsick67 wrote:

2100 wrote:

So, what happens to those who shelled out big bucks very recently and bought the X70/MS12?

I got both..its the way of the world..new stuff comes out all the time.

Will you be getting the X70-GT then?

I guess at least in bigger countries (with bigger population/markets), you can quite easily and quickly sell things and not at a huge loss.

Enderman wrote:

2100 wrote:

Oh shucks, if there is indeed a 100Wh limit, that means 12-cell batt packs is not ok.

How are we supposed to go over 100k lumens comfortably in the future then?

A) don’t ship cells with the light, buy them separately

B) increase LED efficiency

C) realize that you really don’t need 100k lumens

I’ll go with option C, thanks!

I want 100k lumens if it doesn’t cost a lot money.

I mean some day it will be portable and affordable, but definitely not today
This flashlight is only for the top few of flashlight enthusiasts that love lumens (as opposed to the ones that love lux :P)

I have the best of both worlds currently

21700 battery pack would be great. I have contacted acebeam and brought that to their attention.

Selling batteries separate is a great idea. You can’t ship by air over 100wh

so 5000OTF lumens per emitter
5500 LED lumens on P2 bin this is roughly 7@6V
lets say 95% efficient driver
so we get 800W drawn from the batteries
this means 100W per VTC6
even on just 20A drawn from a fresh cell we get only about 75W

Lexel wrote:

so 5000OTF lumens per emitter
5500 LED lumens on P2 bin this is roughly 7@6V
lets say 95% efficient driver
so we get 800W drawn from the batteries
this means 100W per VTC6
even on just 20A drawn from a fresh cell we get only about 75W

Perpetual Lumen wrote:

I have the best of both worlds currently

21700 battery pack would be great. I have contacted acebeam and brought that to their attention.

Selling batteries separate is a great idea. You can’t ship by air over 100wh

I’d love to have a light that does not have a proprietary battery pack, so that at least my expensive light is somewhat future proof after the pack has given up. I mean, it’s difficult for me to assume that we still have access to new Acebeam battery packs 3-5 years later. Yes there will be new lights, but nowadays i and my sons are still using our Xeno/Jetbeam/Fenix/Sunwayman XM-L/XP-G lights.

However, these are all high lumens very high drain lights. Matching is critical. Also, as the batts are loaded so hard, the drain is very fast so it’s almost certainly that they need 3A fast charging. With a 8-cell battery carrier light that means 2pcs of 3A capable Miboxer C4-12 or SkyRC MC3000 etc. There might be a need for 12pcs in the future, 18650 or 21700.
So in the interest of selling the light, they are probably not going to take away the charging port. But then including a charging port with 3A charging and DIY self-matching batteries with 8-12pcs in a very high battery drain application = a very critical aspect.

With 21700s, it’s going to throw in another set of complexity with regards to charging and battery sources accessibility wrt 18650 which is so widely available across several vendors.

And of course like it’s been mentioned, there is this 100Wh limit via air cargo that needs to be addressed, dealers can’t sell lights that cannot be easily and quickly (air) shipped. I don’t think people like to use sea shipping.

Other than the batteries aspect, we also have the heat dissipation aspect. Even with a 3kg chunk of aluminum it’s going to hit a brick wall as well, we need advances in air cooling, like the kind of efficiencies in our CPU coolers.

I guess the issues currently with regards to lumens war are not easily solvable. Unless 200lm/W emitters come into the picture next year.

Enderman wrote:

I mean some day it will be portable and affordable, but definitely not today This flashlight is only for the top few of flashlight enthusiasts that love lumens (as opposed to the ones that love lux :P)

That’s why I love the lumens war. Eventually the prices will come down as other brands catch up, and the light and UI quality will also improve.

mortuus wrote:

leaftye wrote:

Enderman wrote:

I mean some day it will be portable and affordable, but definitely not today This flashlight is only for the top few of flashlight enthusiasts that love lumens (as opposed to the ones that love lux :P)

That’s why I love the lumens war. Eventually the prices will come down as other brands catch up, and the light and UI quality will also improve.

really, the price will come down? how, the msrp on this thing says 729$.. u cant really expect search lights of this size to be within 200$ range or ? maybe if u find a used one years old on ebay sure but brand new? even imalent and their crappy quality is over 600$…