Gebe wrote:

Very thorough review! Great job! I have the A5, (with the additional red light), and a red A3 and just love them. What great, tiny and lightweight lights!

To my eyes, the XP-G3 emitters are fine. I like CW and my examples are pure white with no blue/green and no tint shift that I can notice.

There will be some that will balk at the lower capacity of the built-in cell and that it’s non replaceable, (but that could be overcome ). With all the accessories that come with these and the tiny size, anyone looking for an incredible keychain or necklace light, should give these a serious look.

Concerning the capacity of the cell in these, like you I’ve been using mine on a regular basis and on a single charge, they go for a good while before needing charging.

I also agree that RovyVon’s customer service is top notch. Rapid response to emails and willing to quickly correct any problems, if any.

Thanks Gebe

Indeed these are pretty little lights Easy to carry, practical, “concealable” and useful in many situations

Hum, I find it interesting you don’t notice the shift on the beam! Still, if I could I would replace them ! Maybe I am getting a bit “tint snob” Or not

I guess the cell will be a concern if we are thinking about using it as a “primary” flashlight for extended use. Other than that, for our regular bursts or daily use in short periods of time, we’ll manage to use it well and make it last ! I guess we would get a bigger light if we wanted more runtime (Nitecore TIP or similar comes to my mind).

This one is small and puts a good amount of light so it serves the purpose!

And I am also with you, the “whole package” and features are ideal even for non flashaholics that want a practical flashlight for a keychain or for a “not bulky jeans” use

I am very tempted to get the A6, with Nichia and UV light at the same time! I wish it didn’t have the strobe, but still, it pretty nice

offline wrote:

Really enjoy your reviews MascaratumB, thanks!

Thank you offline
I try to do the best I can ! Hope it helps to show what the product does or not! Thanks for reading

Gebe wrote:

Luckily, I’m not a “tint snob”. I’m one of those strange ones that just want my lights to be pure white and light up the darkness and don’t give a hoot about tints. If it’s white, it’s right. To each their own and that’s what makes it great around here.

Ahah, I know what you feel Every now and then, the “pure white” is what I need or want just to light the path or place! But honestly, working in a place with low light and mostly “white” is sometimes eye-tiring ! So some better rendition is what my eyes need
Or a neutral to warm (not incandescent!!!) just to get more cozy

Gebe wrote:

I agree that these tiny lights are for intermittent use and are so handy for what they are. I have other lights when I want long stretches of use.

I don’t have many keychain lights, and with “similar” characteristics I only have the Nitecore TIP, that I have attached to and adjustable 2mm paracord lanyard so that I can use it on the neck as well!

But the compactness of the Auroras win over the TIP! And being for short use at a time, I find them perfect!!
Even with the UI “issue” (Strobe) I find them winners!

And now I want the A6, specially after seeing zeroair’s thread with a 20% discount in a GroupBuy
I will bankrupt before Christmas….

Agro wrote:

Thanks for the review! How long does the glow last?

Thank you Agro

Hum, the glow will last about 2-3h as I mentioned above! I didn’t do a “test” to see that, but while I was writing the review (that took a while) I lighted the A5R with my UV flashlight, and put it hanging on my bedroom’s door, in the dark. After a while I went there and could see it, so only in the end of the review I could go there again I could see the glow in the dark.

These are my rough estimations, but I can try to “measure” it again

MascaratumB wrote:

7) Luminous Body on A5R. I love GTD things, so for me this is a big plus on the A5R. The glowing will last some hours (2 / 3h, but didn’t test it), but the simple idea of having something that you’ll be able to find in the dark when lights are out, pleases me !!!

Agro wrote:

Oh…well…read too quickly and somehow missed that part. Thanks!

Ahah, no problem mate

BTW, I took the A5R with me to Poland, last week ! Despite the cold, it behaved consistently

CRX wrote:

Nice review

Thanks mate

xevious wrote:

Great review, MascaratumB! Your details were very influential on my decision to buy the A8. I wrote a review on the A8 A/B/R.
I also like your outdoor shots. By the way, given your location being Portugal, have you been to Madeira? Looks beautiful.

You did a fine job of taking photos of the PWM effect. I do see some of it in my A8, but I consider it mild. When looking at the illuminated subject and moving it, like a hand, I don’t notice PWM. It’s only when the reflector is in view and I move my eyes from side to side that I can see the PWM pattern (for moonlight and low). It would be nice if that wasn’t present at all, but I have seen worse PWM by some lights by other brands. My feeling is that if RovyVon can hide it altogether, it would create a better “feel good” among the flashlight community. But obviously, the average person who buys this isn’t going to notice it.

I have been in touch with them and I made the suggestion for a possible larger battery in the next release of the A8 (or A9).

Thanks xevious!
I went to comment your review already! I had different expectations for the A8 ABR , namely the UI, as I mentioned there!

Hum, I get what you say about PWM! I don’t notice it unless I use the camera/cellphone! But when I do…it is somehow annoying! Specially to compare beams.
They may increase the battery, but that will also make the flashlight bigger. I have no problems with the battery so far, as this is a keychain or neck light, not the primary one! But I do get your point!

I also read about your thoughts about the host. I’ve been carrying the A5 (luminous) in my keychain and so far the scratches is minimal. The bezel has some tips there, but barely noticeable! It is still a winner for me
The A8 is more secured below my shirt, so no risks of host scratching

RichH wrote:

I’m just looking at getting an A5 with the red side emitter and tempted to opt for the Nichia 219 version. For me with small pocket lights with limited runtimes and usage I tend to go for the cool whites as I’ll get better illumination and I choose the neutral tints for harder working bigger lights.

Couple of questions, does anyone know if the Nichia runtimes are the same as the cool white version?

Do the white side lights get the glow working or does the shell need sunlight or another light to charge it?

And, am I being daft choosing the Nichia and effectively losing about 200 lumens? I know I’ve regretted choosing neutral before now for small, occasional lights.

And does anyone have an estimate on how many charge cycles a lithium polymer battery will supply before it’s worn out?

Hey RichH!
So, about the comparison on the Cree vs Nichia versions, I did a comparison here: http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1462286#comment-1462286
One is the A5R and the other is the A8U.
If you ask me the major differences and advantages, I’ll tell you what I think:

-If you need a brighter light and for a longer range illumination, choose the Cree.
-If you will need it for closer works/needs, and need better colour rendering and less tint shift, go for Nichia.

-The RED side light on the A5R is dimmer than the A8U
-The WHITE side light on A8U is more pleasant than the one in the A5R.

About charging I can tell you that in about 8 months using them, I only charged them twice, but I don’t use them constantly. I carry the A5R in my home’s keychain and the A8U in my neck. Both are used almost everyday, but for short periods. And because of this I cannot tell you much about runtimes too, as I don’t use them for long periods of time.

They have a new flashlight, the A23 with XP-L and Nichia LED that has a battery with bigger capacity (1000 lumens, 600mAh). Take a look at it here:
https://www.rovyvon.com/products/a23?variant=29510580273255

I hope this helps on your choice

About the side leds being enough for making the GITD body glow, here’s an example.
If you turn it ON and OFF quickly (5 seconds) it will lit them a bit. If you leave them ON for a longer period, they will be glowing longer too.
Sometimes I take my keys out of the pocket before entering home and within that period (it I have natural light) normally the GITD body will start glowing.

RichH wrote:

Thanks for your replies, the photos of the A8 and A5 together have convinced me it’s usually a smart decision with these tiny lights to go for the extra lumens and not worry about colour rendition too much. I’ll save my high CRI choices for the bigger lights that I use in woodland walking the dogs at night. An extremely bright high lumen cool white isn’t the best option for this application.

I think it’ll have to be the A5R with Cree.

I’ve no idea still on li-polymer battery life over time, so I’ve emailed RovyVon for an estimate. It’s an expensive light if it’s going to be useless in a few years.

Thanks again. I shall be sitting on a beach in Alvor in a couple of months time, we went two years ago and loved the little town and spectacular coastline.

I forgot to mention one thing!
The A5R (Cree/Nichia) has a UI of Low > Medium > High > Strobe within the main cycle.
The A8U (Nichia) is Moonlight > Low > Medium > High.
So, you may take this into account when getting the flashlight!

I’m not sure if this light will fail us soon. I do get the point of the relation price vs material vs spcs but it seems decent so far. You did well sending them message, as maybe only them can do the proper referral about these lights!

Ahah, nice place to go, always a good time and nice beaches over there! Hope you enjoy it again
I’m from the North so I don’t go often to Algarve, but it is always a nice place to be at!!

RichH wrote:

Another question if I may. The GITD body is a key aspect for me, so unfortunately I will lose the moonlight mode of the A8 to the glowing A5 that is Low/Med/High.

Is the UV sidelight fitted to increase the glowing of the body? Otherwise it’s uses are a bit limited unless checking money, looking for scorpions, or investigating unsavoury hotel rooms

I could easily live without a red light if the UV really got the thing glowing well.

Hum, I’m afraid I cannot answer your question well.
The A5 I have is the A5R with White + Red led, not the A5U with White + UV Led.
The only UV I have is on the A8U (UV + RED + White) but that doesn’t have a GITD body. I had to add a bit of GITD tape around the flashlight to give it some glow.
So I cannot be sure how the UV Led works on the body.

Please check this post, though, as I think it will be more clarifying: http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1406678#comment-1406678

About checking stuff with the UV Led, on the RovyVon Aurora A8U thread I posted these:
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1462726#comment-1462726

This is a comparison between the A8U (left) vs Lumintop Tool AA with Nichia UV 365nm + ZWB2 UV filter (right) .

The UV Led is not completely suitable for checking money or “rooms”. The type of LED it uses doesn’t allow us to see some things that, for instance, a Nichia 365nm does. And it doesn’t seem to be due to the body of the flashlight, but due to the LED of the A8U itself.

Hope this helps

RichH wrote:

All very helpful information, thanks. I have a Lumintop Tool, a lovely little copper AAA clicky (very definite clicky clicky) that rivals my Maratac AAA copper twisty for space in my pocket or keyring. Most used just now is, of course, an Olight S1R. Top of the game are Olight just now for me.

Thanks Hum, you’re using the “old” S1R Baton or the new? I have one of those (old) but only use it seldom, at home.

RichH wrote:

I’d read about the UV led not being a useful wavelength for most UV applications, so that’s another question for Rovyvon. If the UV has been fitted mainly to charge the GITD, then that’s the light for me.

I don’t think it was only for charging the glowing body as the A8U doesn’t have glowing body. Still, it lights the whites, but it is not enough for fake money detection I like to play with it though, most people are not familiar with the UV light , specially in a small light pulled out from the neck

RichH wrote:

I see the appeal of the other RovyVon products, the designs are beautiful, but for this kind of money I would almost always go for a battery powered option. I have a couple of DQG lights, a brass Fairy and another (Hobo?) but the 10180 batteries don’t really cut it now the AAA battery is available in Nickel Metal Halide. Still have a 4Sevens Mini CR2, that’s been a super little light. Even to this day it performs as well as its more modern cousins.

I only have a CR2 light (Nebo Micro Redline) but those are expensive cells, hard to find and I guess we don’t find them as rechargeables
I seem what you mean about this! The new Rovyvon A23 has an advantage regarding the other lights they have, as it has a replaceable 600mAh battery!
It is almost as capable as some current and old 16340s in terms of capacity.

RichH wrote:

Recently grabbed a Manker E04, I see PWM being mentioned regards the Rovyvon lights. You’ve seen nothing until you see the Manker PWM nightmare in low modes, I’m tempted to do a video of the moonlight settings and post it here on BLF, you can almost count the flashes in lowest. A lovely design, very cute, but it has a terrible circuit or driver, or whatever the thing is called. It’s made my “Most Annoying” list.

I don’t know about the E04, but believe me that the A8U has some nasty PWM through a camera. My naked eyes don’t see it, but it is hard to get some beamshots with that light Only comparison I had was the Tool AA v1.0 and the Sofirn SF10 in the 1st versions…

RichH wrote:

All totally off topic really in your review thread, apologies for that, but they’re all keyring/small pocket lights. I’ll let you know which A5 I buy and my thoughts on it, but if those UV sidelights are solely for charging the GITD body, then that’s relevant info. Otherwise, what are they for if the wavelength isn’t correct? Maybe it’s a rave torch, just lights up t-shirts and teeth.

Lol, I guess rave torch is a good definition You can also light paper with it

RichH wrote:

Good to see you have a €5 note left from the light fund to get yourself a Sagres or Super Bock, it’s suddenly got full on Summer heat in the UK, we’re not used to 30°C.

Ahah, I believe you mean something like this? [ NO SAGRES for me ]
Fortunately with 5 € I may drink at least 10 mini Super Bocks in some bar around here

RichH wrote:

It’s the new baton, the Mk2. It’s a good little light.

Here’s a reply from Rovyvon.

“Thanks for the email. And yes, the UV on the A5U is mainly for charging the GITD casing. Thank you.”

Hum, seems a nice light yes I modded mine (old version) but lost the “normal” moonlight during the process!

And so it is confirmed, the UV is to poder it up! Well, maybe that was the reason why they did the A8 version, to be a more usable LED, despite has its “downs”!
Thanks for confirming