【convoy】M21G XHP70.3 HI 2*21700 flashlight available

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Eagerly waiting for the 4040 gaskets and the 22mm 8A driver to put it together with a CULPM1.TG in a L21a

Same here, that’s what I’m waiting for. I’m also getting a few of the Osram red driver.

Currently using the 8*7135 on the red and it starts out at 230 lumens, drops to 60% within 15 minutes and runs for a further 60min. Since the forward voltage is 2.5v it should run much better with this new driver.

That makes three of us!

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I hope Convoy will make Anduril an option for the new and updated flashlights. Also usb-c charger for as many as possible. Most will then probably chose Anduril.

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What is the difference in lumen and throw between:
Gray Convoy S2+ with samsung LH351D ,Ra>90,DTP copper board ,ar-coated glass lens
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001388842348.html?spm=2114.12010615....
and
Gray convoy S2+ with luminus sst40 ,copper DTP board and ar-coated inside, Temperature protection management, up to 1800lm
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33009862476.html?spm=2114.12010612.81483...

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The maximum output for the LH351D version probably will be a bit less than the Wukkos FC11 (FET driver), rated as 1300lm, but not very different. SST40 gets about 1600lm. Let’s say the LH351D output should be about 75% of the SST40 version output.

Edit: precise lumen measurements would require a well calibrated integrating sphere.

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Simon Mao wrote:
i have samples ,i will assemble one L21A with 8A driver and CULPM1.TG at next week ,and test the data

 

YES YES YES, i cant wait to see this.

 

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I hope Convoy will make Anduril an option for the new and updated flashlights. Also usb-c charger for as many as possible. Most will then probably chose Anduril.

It’s actually nice that Convoy use their own simple UI, not many of my customers like Anduril and very difficult to sell.

Anduril v2 is another story, once it’s out of its testing phase

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hello, best driver for osram 1mm red (CSLNM1.23) around 1.5-2A using single 18650? continuous use on C8+.

i’m making a driver sample for red LED
30%-100% two modes

do you know when it will be available for sale?

i will get a driver sample with one 100% mode for red LED in 3days

I would love the 1 mode 100% if you make it available for sale Smile

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Simon Mao wrote:
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3×21A (3*21700 and 3*SST40) is in production now ,it has Type-c charging port

3×21A !!
This is really a good time of the year , Simon is releasing several new Convoy flashlights .. exciting.
I’m not sure my wallet is gonna like to hear this news though Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile
Dou you have any picture to tease us? or is it still super secret?

I forgot to take a photo last time, the samples are now at the manufacturer. But production has already begun. Its appearance is similar to 4×18A, with corresponding changes.

A 1/4”-20 thread would be a good addition to these lights for tripod mounting (like in the Q8).

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Chatika vas Paus wrote:
Finally black S21A! I’ve waited a long time for this. Can you measure the inner diameter of the battery tube? I am also interested in the thickness of the walls.

The inner diameter is now 22mm
the thickness of the walls is 2.3mm

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i add a link here S21B
But what about the XHP50.2 emitter version? Shocked

i have few 3V XHP50.2 LED in stock ,
I can also install XHP50.2 as you require.
It’s just that I personally don’t like the uneven light spot of XHP50.2.

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Chatika vas Paus wrote:
Finally black S21A! I’ve waited a long time for this. Can you measure the inner diameter of the battery tube? I am also interested in the thickness of the walls.

 


The same as in S21A, S12…

It means? There is no information in the descriptions. I am asking because I remember that the first batch of S21A had too narrow tubes and did not fit all 21700 cells.

The inner diameter is now 22mm

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I am looking for a work light with decent color rendering, do you plan to sell any high CRI, COB LED based, portable lantern someday ?

CREE has many types of COB LEDs, I think it is not difficult to design this, it does not even need a reflector.

There are many other COB manufacturers that are just as good but cheaper, such as Samsung and Citizen. There are super cheap Getian Opto-Electronics, but less efficient ones. I made a lamp on Citizen CLU048-1212 80CRI 3500k Verison 6 I really liked the light.

Sorry for my poor english.

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Yokiamy wrote:
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Di_Joker wrote:
But what about the XHP50.2 emitter version? Shocked

 


 


Simon doesn’t like yellow corona crap which is not present with SST40 and i totally agree with him.

Exactly it is UGLY.
Slicing improves it though

Pardon me, but comparing SST40 vs. XHP50.2 what are the differencies? I have SST40 coming for one of my headlamps and it gives more light vs. XM-L2 if I’m right? Is SST40 superior over XHP50.2 in other ways than just no fried egg effect etc.?

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3×21A (3*21700 and 3*SST40) is in production now ,it has Type-c charging port

That sounds nice, big and beefy, probably good constant lumens with great runtimes.

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Pardon me, but comparing SST40 vs. XHP50.2 what are the differencies? I have SST40 coming for one of my headlamps and it gives more light vs. XM-L2 if I’m right? Is SST40 superior over XHP50.2 in other ways than just no fried egg effect etc.?


In my experience XHP50 is more effective than SST40 and even 3 * XPL. Heats up weaker.

Sorry for my poor english.

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Di_Joker wrote:
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Pardon me, but comparing SST40 vs. XHP50.2 what are the differencies? I have SST40 coming for one of my headlamps and it gives more light vs. XM-L2 if I’m right? Is SST40 superior over XHP50.2 in other ways than just no fried egg effect etc.?


In my experience XHP50 is more effective than SST40 and even 3 * XPL. Heats up weaker.

I also prefer the XHP50.2 over the SST40 for output and efficiency. One note though XHP50.2 must be at or below 5700K to reduce that yellow and green color aura. 5000K seems to be the sweet spot with an OP reflector with output about 20% greater than the SST40. If it’s only for throw then the SST40 all the way.
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I need a 1500 meters thrower, 4500lm, 3000k, ramping, ipx7/5, usb-c and temp regulation with highest possible sustained lm. 1×21700 or 2×21700. Can pay 120 usd incl. shipping.

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RapidLux wrote:
I need a 1500 meters thrower, 4500lm, 3000k, ramping, ipx7/5, usb-c and temp regulation with highest possible sustained lm. 1x21700 or 2x21700. Can pay 120 usd incl. shipping.


You can post WTB...

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texas shooter wrote:
Di_Joker wrote:
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Pardon me, but comparing SST40 vs. XHP50.2 what are the differencies? I have SST40 coming for one of my headlamps and it gives more light vs. XM-L2 if I’m right? Is SST40 superior over XHP50.2 in other ways than just no fried egg effect etc.?


In my experience XHP50 is more effective than SST40 and even 3 * XPL. Heats up weaker.

I also prefer the XHP50.2 over the SST40 for output and efficiency. One note though XHP50.2 must be at or below 5700K to reduce that yellow and green color aura. 5000K seems to be the sweet spot with an OP reflector with output about 20% greater than the SST40. If it’s only for throw then the SST40 all the way.

Thanks for answers. So XHP50.2 for a little bit more floody lumens and SST40 for more throwy setups.
I wonder when those 5000k’s will be back on stock. Seems like they are sold out from everywhere.

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I have a 5000k xhp50.2 i grabbed from Kaidomain back in 2019 before they sold out and had it in my zoomie for a while before I swapped it into a C8 on a fet driver. I since took it out and it’s now in my parts bin. The Corona is less than the 6500k version, but still there. the tint is better. No way to know when it will be back in stock. I guess it’s going into a lot of industrial products and not many for the general consumer market? Supply/demand maybe. Tyne xhp50.2 is a pretty special emitter though. Besides the sbt90.2 no other 3v emitter can beat it for output without being driven ro death.

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Would like to see a dedomed XHP 50.2 3000k-5700k in a thrower, how long it throws compared to SST-40 and NM.1.

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RapidLux wrote:
Would like to see a dedomed XHP 50.2 3000k-5700k in a thrower, how long it throws compared to SST-40 and NM.1.

The NM1 will outthrow it by far.

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Di_Joker wrote:
Simon Mao wrote:
m47mu74nt wrote:
I am looking for a work light with decent color rendering, do you plan to sell any high CRI, COB LED based, portable lantern someday ?

CREE has many types of COB LEDs, I think it is not difficult to design this, it does not even need a reflector.

There are many other COB manufacturers that are just as good but cheaper, such as Samsung and Citizen. There are super cheap Getian Opto-Electronics, but less efficient ones. …

Well, I've always been interested in sunlight or blackbody radiator spectrum leds, and leds with those characteristics can be found. I have Guangzhou Juhong Optoelectronics in my favorite stores list for this precise reason (I straight linked to the Plant grow led module -> Sunlight spectrum led).

Take a look at this 10W 1700K CoB:

 

Driving these leds from li-ion cells requires special boost drivers. The Vf is quite high, consequence of their multiple dies in series arrangement. According to the specified Vf the one above must be 10 or 12S.

I have a 4x LH351B 3000K CRI90 custom made bedroom lamp, and definitively I find it too high CCT for a bedroom lamp. Of course, for comparison purposes I am also using a 25W e14 incandescent bulb powered lamp. I still have a bunch of these old school bulbs, they're a tad dim but quite nice. Their CCT is noticeably warmer than 3000K.

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…. If it’s only for throw then the SST40 all the way.

I think XHP35 HI and SST-40 have equal throw. XHP35 gives you more tint options.
I consider to buy Convoy L21A XHP35 4000K over the SST40 5000K version.

Or I will wait for a CSLNM1 with warmer tint.

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texas shooter wrote:
…. If it’s only for throw then the SST40 all the way.

I think XHP35 HI and SST-40 have equal throw. XHP35 gives you more tint options.
I consider to buy Convoy L21A XHP35 4000K over the SST40 5000K version.

Or I will wait for a CSLNM1 with warmer tint.

The xhp35 hi has more tint options. Hard to say whether it will out throw the sst40. It has no dome and pretty high surface luminance. It will make slightly less lumens than a well driven and cooled sst40. The downside is the xhp needs 12v and is only driven to around 2.5A max.

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RapidLux wrote:
I hope Convoy will make Anduril an option for the new and updated flashlights. Also usb-c charger for as many as possible. Most will then probably chose Anduril.

I agree , Anduril & USB-C Thumbs Up

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I hope Convoy will make Anduril an option for the new and updated flashlights. Also usb-c charger for as many as possible. Most will then probably chose Anduril.

It’s actually nice that Convoy use their own simple UI, not many of my customers like Anduril and very difficult to sell.

Anduril v2 is another story, once it’s out of its testing phase

imho : It will be great if convoy make flashlights with Anduril. Maybe even better with Anduril-2 , it seems to have a very useful & practical Simple UI , more solid than “muggle mode” of Anduril-1 , that’s from what I read on
Anduril-2 thread..

Convoy have M21C-U’s UI with ramping mode. I don’t have M21C-U but from what I read here it’s a very good UI.

M21C-U :

Mon, 08/24/2020 , #2956

Simon Mao wrote:

This driver is similar in function to anduril, but the code is rewritten, which is more conducive to compatibility with components.


Mon, 08/24/2020 , #2955

Nicolicous wrote:

got mine today.

The ramping UI is almost like sofirn sp70. I suspect Sofirn made the driver/firmware?

Built is robust and feels good in hand. This light definitely win win over EC03 (horrible tint and biggest regret)

I like this light alot Simon. Good work and please make drivers with same UI for M3 Smile

Nico .


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The ramping is smooth from 0 to 100% with one blink when reach high same with low.

In comparing with Anduril firmware , ramping from 0% to 50% is similar speed. From 50% to 100% it’s just a touch slower than Anduril.

M21C-U can access Moon mode from off by long press and double click for turbo or single click for off. Andruil is slightly better as you can access moon mode from off and can continue ramping if desire.

M21C-U firmware is very similar to sofirn sp70. I have not seen the code but the user interface is almost like sofirn sp70

In terms of throw it’s similar to Convoy L2 or L6 with smooth reflector. The led in perfectly center and simon has done great job.

Overall I really like this light way better than EC03 in terms of build, tint selection and thermal distribution. The other thing i like about this light is that it run on single battery using boost circuit to power XHP70 with ramping UI. I dont think there is a light on the market have ramping UI like this yet.

I will post some beam shoot this weekend. It’s just hard to find time with 8 months old baby.

Nico .


If there will be no full-blown Anduril at all, then this new Convoy ramping UI I think is very good and sufficient for most people.

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That being said, i do really hope Convoy make flashlight with Anduril.
Maybe the new version of M21C-U : “M21C-U Anduril , and M21C-U Regular” ?
Something like Sofirn SP36 BLF Anduril and Sofirn SP36S.

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That being said, i do really hope Convoy make flashlight with Anduril. Maybe the new version of M21C-U : “M21C-U Anduril , and M21C-U Regular” ? Something like Sofirn SP36 BLF Anduril and Sofirn SP36S.

Same idea as RapidLux’s :

RapidLux wrote:
I hope Convoy will make Anduril an option for the new and updated flashlights. Also usb-c charger for as many as possible. Most will then probably chose Anduril.
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If there will be no full-blown Anduril at all, then this new Convoy ramping UI I think is very good and sufficient for most people.

No love for plain ol’ Narsim? My Q8s have it (except momentary mode, which I wish v1.0 had), my GTmicros have it, my ‘minis have it, and it’s quite handy.

Even my DC7 has a rudimentary ramping UI that has most of the shortcuts (eg, press’n‘hold for moonlight, 2click for turbo, etc.), that’s a sort of lobotomised Narsim. Definitely not it, but has the features that count.

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