Fireflies Rot66 vs E07 vs PL47

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Fireflies Rot66 vs E07 vs PL47

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All three of these lights are compact high output and and prime examples of what a beam can look like when optics are correctly implemented.


Please let us know what you think.

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I just finished watching, thank you so much! This is very useful info. What I did not understand was the output part. You are saying that the E07 has almost the same lumen output as the Rot66? On the beam shots it looked like the E07 was even less powerful than the pl47

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I’d bet that the difference in output has something to do with the CW to NW tint showing up differently on camera. Inside in the dining room, the E07 looked brighter, but the outside shots not so much.

Thanks for making the video, especially going through the UI and programming.

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great video!

both my samples (also from Neal) got burning hot while the beamshots (it had 2°C) 

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I just wish I could turn the switch lights off on my PL47. Because of that, I’m not sure I want the EO7.

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Deputy Dog wrote:
I just wish I could turn the switch lights off on my PL47. Because of that, I’m not sure I want the EO7.

You cant? Anduril allows control of the AUX LED’s (choose between L, H and none), are the switch LED’s hardwired or something so the Tiny85 doesnt have control?

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The Anduril version is different between Fireflies lights and Emisar lights it seems. On my D4S, I can switch the aux leds between low, high, beacon, but it doesn’t have things like muggle mode. On fireflies, it has muggle mode, but can’t switch the aux leds.

Which of the 3 is your favorite?

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ToyKeeper says No (can’t be done) they’re hard wired. I wish I could.

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I bet you could turn them off the same way the Dr turned off my ability to make more kids.
Just sayin

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That’s the problem, I’m afraid that if I neuter it, it will die Facepalm I’m not a doctor.

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Thank you for explaining how to set the temperature and also how to properly use the headband… Smile Beer

Hmmm. I notice that the E07 has 3 leds in the center that are not lighted, are those the low battery indicator? Thanks!

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since here are more people reading than on my review:

 

on both my lights 2 of the 4 leds in the switch go OFF when the lights are ON

tested in regular and muggle mode as well as all levels

 

is that a defect or a anduril specific behavior? 

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That’s how it is on my Narsil based ROT66. On my Anduril ROT66 two of the 4 dim when the light is on.

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The problem with the instruction manual is that it’s printed in black and white, ToyKeeper laid it out in color. So the two thin lines indicating one click or two clicks are different colors and much more easily understood. Wink

Nice video, fun to watch as usual… wish you’d gotten a color manual so it would have been easier to follow. Wink Learn the actions first, everything after that is easy.

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The lights in the switch are Fireflies behaviour, not inherent to Anduril. They decided 2 of the smd’s needed to be on at all times, the other two work with the aux smd’s. Not how TK would have done it, but how Jack wanted it. Wink

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thanks DB! 

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lotrbfme wrote:
You are saying that the E07 has almost the same lumen output as the Rot66?

Yes, according to multiple controlled tests the E07 powered by the 21700 cell is nearly as powerful. If I had a set of 3 sony VTC6 I think there would be a gain on that. My LG cells are descent performers though.

M4D M4X wrote:

great video!

both my samples (also from Neal) got burning hot while the beamshots (it had 2°C) 

Thank you for letting us know.

Deputy Dog wrote:
I just wish I could turn the switch lights off on my PL47. Because of that, I’m not sure I want the EO7.

I was thinking that I read somewhere the E07 auxiliary lights can be turned up or down (maybe off) using those pots that sit on the board? Perhaps one of them is keyed to the switch? It is possible to turn off the LEDs on the face by 7 clicks from off. On/blink/off etc

M4D M4X wrote:

since here are more people reading than on my review:


 


on both my lights 2 of the 4 leds in the switch go OFF when the lights are ON


tested in regular and muggle mode as well as all levels


 


is that a defect or a anduril specific behavior? 

That is how mine is 2 for off 4 for on.

DB Custom wrote:
The problem with the instruction manual is that it’s printed in black and white, ToyKeeper laid it out in color. So the two thin lines indicating one click or two clicks are different colors and much more easily understood. Wink

Nice video, fun to watch as usual… wish you’d gotten a color manual so it would have been easier to follow. Wink Learn the actions first, everything after that is easy.

That definitely helps. Grad

AlexGT wrote:
Thank you for explaining how to set the temperature and also how to properly use the headband… Smile Beer

Hmmm. I notice that the E07 has 3 leds in the center that are not lighted, are those the low battery indicator? Thanks!

I hadn’t even noticed that until just now.

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Nice job on the review, very well explained! if we’d have had yours and m4d max’s combined that would be the complete review lol! the point about not many batteries fitting in the actual lights (length wise) in the other review is quite important, especially if buying them at the same time – nothing worse than a shiny new light and battery turning up only to find they wont’t fit lol!
I’m still not convinced about the headband though, it’s more of a quick fix than a proper solution – the fact remains it’s still the wrong headband, the clip just stops it wobbling a bit.

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Thanks VOB. Happy new year.. i have one rot66 with the narsil. Will the thermal CFG set up is same as anduril ??

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On the thermal configuration example. He did 9 clicks, then 40 clicks. What does each signify?
He said 30 clicks would give 60 C.. He actually did 40 clicks which would be 70C or 158F. Is that too hot of a ceiling?
That’s Anduril only correct? I have a couple that are older Narsil M. Is the procedure different?

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Is the 21700 battery length issue on the E07 only limited to the Nichia 219 versions? i.e. Should I be concerned with 21700 battery length on the E07 SST-20 version?

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hard to believe they would stock and individualize different tubes for diff emitters
are you serious?

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chinooker wrote:
hard to believe they would stock and individualize different tubes for diff emitters are you serious?

Sort of?

In Vesture of Blood’s review he uses Samsung 21700 40T’s in the E07, which list at 70.1mm. In M4dM4x’s review he uses Shockli 21700’s which list at 70.5mm.

So is 0.4mm really the deciding factor between a battery that works and one that doesn’t? Or is it the XPL-HI (in Vesture of Blood’s review) vs the Nichia (in MadMax’s review)? I really don’t know. The tube is most likely the same length, and I can’t believe the driver board would be in a different position somehow to affect the length…

So what gives?

Edit: Correction, the Shockli lists at 70.9mm. So that’s 0.8mm difference. Still not that large. Sorry for the New Year’s celebration impacting my post. Smile

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Luminosity wrote:
chinooker wrote:
hard to believe they would stock and individualize different tubes for diff emitters are you serious?

Sort of?

In Vesture of Blood’s review he uses Samsung 21700 40T’s in the E07, which list at 70.1mm. In M4dM4x’s review he uses Shockli 21700’s which list at 70.5mm.

So is 0.4mm really the deciding factor between a battery that works and one that doesn’t? Or is it the XPL-HI (in Vesture of Blood’s review) vs the Nichia (in MadMax’s review)? I really don’t know. The tube is most likely the same length, and I can’t believe the driver board would be in a different position somehow to affect the length…

So what gives?

Edit: Correction, the Shockli lists at 70.9mm. So that’s 0.8mm difference. Still not that large. Sorry for the New Year’s celebration impacting my post. Smile

I have a PL47 and 30T and 40T fit great. 50E however are very tight. So yes, less than 1.0mm can make a difference, I feel the tolerances are a bit too tight IMO.

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JordanZHP wrote:
I have a PL47 and 30T and 40T fit great. 50E however are very tight. So yes, less than 1.0mm can make a difference
Can you confirm that the PL47 and the E07 use the same tube?
JordanZHP wrote:
I feel the tolerances are a bit too tight IMO.
If 0.8mm really makes the difference, then that's definitely a failure in tolerances. The *only* reason springs exist in a flashlight is for accommodating variances in cell length1. If they've failed to do this, then that's a design flaw plain and simple.

 

1 - Yes I realize springs do also provide some shock absorption but that's not their primary purpose.

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Excellent review. I enjoyed watching it in full. All very powerful flashlights.

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Fireflies should start selling additional tubes to BLF members who are having problems with the initial tube.

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Springs in a flashlight allow the light to stay on if/when dropped or given a hard shock… that is the defining purpose.

There are quite a few “crusher” style lights out there that work perfectly with a given cell, do you think everyone that buys those lights buys the specified cell to go with it? If Jack sold a proprietary cell alongside the PL47 and guaranteed it’s fitment, you can rest assured a great many would take a pass on that cell in favor of their own… it’s all part of designing lights to be as compact as possible to gain favor with a particular market group, much like the DQG lights.

It is form that follows function, not the other way around.

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Nguyen wrote:
Fireflies should start selling additional tubes to BLF members who are having problems with the initial tube.

If you’re having an issue email him or PM him on here. You do realize it comes with a 5 year warranty, not need to freak.

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Great video VOB I just received my EO7 and feel very empowered now.

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Does anyone know which cell Jacky’s including with his giveaway (grey 21700)?

Also, i have a champagne pl47 and whenever i try to configure something, it goes into a mode in which a click goes straight into turbo, a click and hold goes turbo then strobe, and a double click goes into low.

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