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5000ish shade.
18650/26650 cells Single and dual to suit.
Variable/exchangable heads with single. triple and quad led’s.
Fully waterproof.
Side switch. recessed with indicator touch point above it.
NO rear sw.
NO tube lights. (I hate them). Ugly as.
If it was possible to, Chuckle.
Lots of spread with good throw.
A copper model of all the lights “I” Like.
Internal charging. on any model torch
people tend to give away to non torch people only.
Ramping on smaller/mid range. Walkabout lights.
NO Flashing.of any kind.
Availability of On/OFF on all torches. with a lockout for everything else.

AH. Finally figured my perfect torch.

Sofurn C8+. 26650 cell. IP68 waterproofing. Copper casing. On/Off sw.
With a spare head unit with 3-4 LED’s in there just for a change.
The “almost” purrfect torch hey.

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For the sake of bumping a fun thread…

#17: Long power outages suck. It’s nice to exercise your lights and all, but the amusement only lasts until the fridge warms over (or to a lesser extent, a cold front rolls in and your house has an electric shower).

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Jack Kellar wrote:
For the sake of bumping a fun thread…

#17: Long power outages suck. It’s nice to exercise your lights and all, but the amusement only lasts until the fridge warms over (or to a lesser extent, a cold front rolls in and your house has an electric shower).

I’ve never liked power outages and while my collection makes them a little more bearable, I still don’t like dealing with them…. I’ve got a basement, and it gets dark everyday, after all.

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kikkoman wrote:
Progress is overrated.
+1 . I agree, many times it is. The ‘latest’ is not always the greatest.
At times, the old ‘tried & true’ remains superior. Thumbs Up

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Edit: Another submission to the thread… High CRI is almost meaningless below 4000K/if you want high CRI 5000K+ should be the target CCT. I haven’t seen a comparison that would dispute this yet at least.
I like this one, a lot. Innocent

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Throw is largely useless except when building something that uses a 20,000lm COB.

I don’t really use my Fenix TK35 anymore since the beam is so tight that it is just painful up close. A wide even beam is easier on your eyes and immensely more useful.

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I'm not a fan of NarsilM, Andruil or any fancy firmware.  I prefer simple and non-programmable.  I really hate that every flashlight I own has a different manual of arms.

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prototype3a wrote:

I don’t really use my Fenix TK35 anymore since the beam is so tight that it is just painful up close. A wide even beam is easier on your eyes and immensely more useful.

AGREED!

Just came back from building checks. Walking with a VG10 and I notice that as I move, the hotspot 20-30 feet out is distracting me because it’s moving around so fast. No hot spots for me on an EDC.

I’m still waiting for my holy grail of a $20, 21700 2000 lumen floody, pockatable EDC.

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What’s the diameter of the VG10’s reflector?

Might be able to shoehorn in a 26mm TIR with, say, a 60° spread.

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robertsig wrote:

I’m not a fan of NarsilM, Andruil or any fancy firmware.  I prefer simple and non-programmable.   I really hate that every flashlight I own has a different manual of arms.

Just because something has options doesn’t mean you need to use them.

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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
robertsig wrote:

I'm not a fan of NarsilM, Andruil or any fancy firmware.  *I prefer simple and non-programmable.*   I really hate that every flashlight I own has a different manual of arms.

Just because something has options doesn't mean you need to use them.

I don't understand that sentence.  It's unavoidable, sometimes inadvertently.

 

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robertsig wrote:
It’s unavoidable, sometimes inadvertently.

Fair enough, and Narsil/Anduril would be the biggest offenders.

With something like DrJones, GuppyDrv, Bistro/Biscotti or PFlexPro advanced you’d be hard pressed (pun intended) to accidentally get into the settings mode though in my experience.

I’d rather have the options than not. Making them hard to accidentally access should be the solution IMO, not completely removing them.

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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
robertsig wrote:
It’s unavoidable, sometimes inadvertently.

Fair enough, and Narsil/Anduril would be the biggest offenders.

With something like DrJones, GuppyDrv, Bistro/Biscotti or PFlexPro advanced you’d be hard pressed (pun intended) to accidentally get into the settings mode though in my experience.

I’d rather have the options than not. Making them hard to accidentally access should be the solution IMO, not completely removing them.


As someone who mains Biscotti, I agree completely.

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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
robertsig wrote:
It’s unavoidable, sometimes inadvertently.

Fair enough, and Narsil/Anduril would be the biggest offenders.

With something like DrJones, GuppyDrv, Bistro/Biscotti or PFlexPro advanced you’d be hard pressed (pun intended) to accidentally get into the settings mode though in my experience.

I’d rather have the options than not. Making them hard to accidentally access should be the solution IMO, not completely removing them.


Well put. Just like keeping strobe out of the sequential brightness mode path, advanced modes should require a very deliberate command to access.
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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
robertsig wrote:
It’s unavoidable, sometimes inadvertently.

Fair enough, and Narsil/Anduril would be the biggest offenders.

With something like DrJones, GuppyDrv, Bistro/Biscotti or PFlexPro advanced you’d be hard pressed (pun intended) to accidentally get into the settings mode though in my experience.

I’d rather have the options than not. Making them hard to accidentally access should be the solution IMO, not completely removing them.


I think that any feature should be hard to access accidentally. But easy to access when you need to. So UI designer has to weigh these 2 opposites.
Configuration tends to be one-in-a-lifetime to few-times-in-a-lifetime used option. So weighing towards hard access seems right.
Most UIs that require multiple button presses for anything assign the maximum number of clicks for configuration.
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USB rechargeable flashlight should be mandatory in 2019…
What century is this really ?
Smartphone, laptop, GPS, MP3 player… except for DSLR, what battery-powered gadget is not USB rechargeable today ?

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X3 wrote:
USB rechargeable flashlight should be mandatory in 2019…
What century is this really ?
Smartphone, laptop, GPS, MP3 player… except for DSLR, what battery-powered gadget is not USB rechargeable today ?

Until there’s a viable solution to the lack of integrity (drop and water resistance, neither of which smartphones, laptops and other such doodads normally have to deal with) inherent to a USB port, I’m perfectly happy with purely off-board recharging.

USB rechargeable batteries are a good start.

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There are phones where the USB port is resistant to submersion. It doesn’t need a flap protection…and it somehow works.
I don’t know why no flashlight manufacturers do it this way….I suppose they may lack know-how or that it costs more – but the first can be fixed and the seconds can’t be a show-stopper for higher-end lights.
So maybe there are other reasons?…

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“Unpopular” opinions I agree with…

emarkd wrote:
Not all budget lights are worth fooling with, and some expensive lights are well worth the price.
Standard Candle wrote:
without differences and conflicting ideologies we would all suffer from boredom. I love the different views and differences in opinions. I also like being humbled, temporarily uncomfortable and proved wrong, it makes you grow like little else will.
Lightbringer wrote:
Maybe there is such a thing as “having too many flashlights”…
Boaz wrote:
All Led lights are bright these days, find a tint you like . Bigger isn’t always better … especially when you start in moon mode. I’m always turning lights down anyway .
Zulumoose wrote:
CRI is nowhere near as important as CCT
EDCba wrote:
Magnets aren’t that useful and attract grit. They should at least be removable.

djozz wrote:
I love flashlights with inbuild charging Silly .

Copper in a flashlight is heavy and should be kept to minimum, I’d rather loose the weight and get rid of extra copper than gain the extra 2% output. Aluminium rules!
(ok, admitted, I rather like SS bezels)

I’m excited that the FW3A will come in smooth finish dark grey instead of the intended clear raw machined look.

(built-in charging is nice on multi-cell lights, but I’d still rather not dedicate space for that in a compact EDC light)

offline wrote:
I only like tailswitch lights, no side switch lights

I like both, but definitely prefer a tail switch on my EDC light.

DavidEF wrote:
I don’t like throwers or flooders – I prefer the in-between

Both are fun, but the middle is the most useful.

… and that’s probably enough opinion-quoting for one post. If I keep going, I’ll end up quoting the whole thread.

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I want a Convoy S2+ in stainless steel.

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I like PWM, it makes movement look like I’m in a high frame rate action video.

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DavidEF wrote:
I don’t like throwers or flooders – I prefer the in-between

Both are fun, but the middle is the most useful.


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I don’t have much use for the middle. I tend to use flooders for a close up and throwers for walking and looking far. For middle distances…I rarely need to look at middle distances where a modest thrower (like GT Mini) is too throwy yet a flooder can’t light them well. The middle distance is very very narrow anyway, depending on the light combo I have on me. Often it doesn’t exist at all.
Actually when I think about it…I think I’m yet to prefer a middle beam for any use…though I have one where I haven’t tried a middle beam yet and I suspect it will be just right.
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Jack Kellar wrote:
X3 wrote:
USB rechargeable flashlight should be mandatory in 2019…
What century is this really ?
Smartphone, laptop, GPS, MP3 player… except for DSLR, what battery-powered gadget is not USB rechargeable today ?

Until there’s a viable solution to the lack of integrity (drop and water resistance, neither of which smartphones, laptops and other such doodads normally have to deal with) inherent to a USB port, I’m perfectly happy with purely off-board recharging.

USB rechargeable batteries are a good start.


Potting the internals should make them fairly waterproof, which I recently did on the Convoy S9
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Agro wrote:
There are phones where the USB port is resistant to submersion. It doesn’t need a flap protection…and it somehow works.
I don’t know why no flashlight manufacturers do it this way….I suppose they may lack know-how or that it costs more – but the first can be fixed and the seconds can’t be a show-stopper for higher-end lights.
So maybe there are other reasons?…

Most of those phones also cost $500+, are manufactured in huge quantities and use proprietary tech from huge companies that invest LOTS of money into R&D.
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matula wrote:
I like PWM, it makes movement look like I’m in a high frame rate action video.

Goodness me. I compare this to people who like the feeling of wet sleeves when washing dishes.

Good post, imo.

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My 2017 Samsung A3 is waterproof and has no flap on the type-C connector
Anyway, I like the idea of simply potting the internals with silicon.
Oh, and I doubt that the majority of lights here sees some water, when they are actually used of course Innocent

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I like the Nichia 219c version of the D4S better than the SST-20 4000K 95 CRI version.

 

I couldn't take the green on my Nichias. The Luxeon Vs I swapped in might be low CRI, but the tint is amazing and the 5000+ lumens isn't bad either.

 

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"Unpopular" opinions I agree with...

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Have you tried a Convoy S7? It's on the right here:

 

Holy... is that a SS SC62? Oh, my SC62 is jealous I even looked at that.

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Holy… is that a SS SC62? Oh, my SC62 is jealous I even looked at that.

Not exactly.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/28462

Standard aluminum SC52 which was used heavily and then had most of the anodizing forcefully polished off.

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All Westerners sleep in crowded rooms, walk dogs at night and hunt scorpions.


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Whoa… 2nd light from the right is definitely a Zebralight. An older one, judging by the body ribbing pattern. Did you do this yourself or send it out to be chromed?
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Jack Kellar wrote:
X3 wrote:
USB rechargeable flashlight should be mandatory in 2019…
What century is this really ?
Smartphone, laptop, GPS, MP3 player… except for DSLR, what battery-powered gadget is not USB rechargeable today ?

Until there’s a viable solution to the lack of integrity (drop and water resistance, neither of which smartphones, laptops and other such doodads normally have to deal with) inherent to a USB port, I’m perfectly happy with purely off-board recharging.

USB rechargeable batteries are a good start.


You’re planning to go near water don’t take your non waterproof light with you.

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