I wonder how much the head weighs? it must be alot more then normal gts as it looks quite beefy in the pics. So a runtime on highest should be like 5min atleast or so based on how it looks ?
If it has good runtimes on highest then it can compete with olights and acebeams monster lights then if the price isnt too high also.
It is not extremely chunky inside the head, a lot of volume is converted into finning, but fins have mass also of course, so yes, the head has a bit more volume and will be heavier than the GT. I’m really curious about what the sustainable light level will be actually, large flashlights have an unfavorable volume/surface-area ratio so scaling the power up from a smaller light requires disproportionate measures to create extra surface area (=fins). This is attempted in the GT4 but how the final sustainable output proves to be is a surprise. I hope for over 10K lumen with the head kept under 60 degC. (that will drain the batteries in say 45 minutes, so sustainable is relative )
Classic lumens/thrower with more emphasis on the lumens (XHP70.2's). The Shocker had C8 size reflectors, looks roughly these are about the same size - Shocker had a smaller head diameter with 3 cups. Of course XHP70.2's can't compete even with a XM-L2 in throw, but maybe are closer when driven harder, and in the stock configuration, should beat a Shocker in throw for sure mainly because of the FET based driver and high amps.
Interesting, I was not aware they were announcing these yet.
Yes, the goal is similar throw to the GT70 but ~20k+ lumens.
Not sure how big the market will be but it will be a monster that is for sure.
If it throws the same as GT70 but it’s much brighter I will skip buying GT70 and go straight for this one! Insane!
DavidEF wrote:
mcfarlie6996 wrote:
Agro wrote:
Should easily out throw the original GT
No. Not at all.
You don’t think 7x Boost HX in the 120mm diameter head of a GT would out-throw the original XHP35 HI GT? You may be right. I certainly don’t know. But, care to elaborate?
EDIT: Roughly, each Boost HX would get a 40mm diameter reflector opening with very little overlap or a larger diameter with more overlap between them.
Both of these are kinda the same so I will reply together.
In my experience, a multi-emitter light will generally only have slightly less throw vs a single emitter in the same space assuming that the reflector cups are well made of course.
I think XHP35 in GT is at or just under 150 cd/mm². Well cooled white flat is over 300 at peak, a little less in a regular fat host like GT. Boost HX should be even more intense. So… 75% higher LED intensity, 260 cd/mm²?
You would have to lose 43% elsewhere to end up with equal throw. What are the losses elsewhere?
Area loss. Not that high with a siamesed 7-up, especially that you can make the reflector cups very deep.
You may also lose a bit of throw by worse centering.
Interesting, I was not aware they were announcing these yet.
Yes, the goal is similar throw to the GT70 but ~20k+ lumens.
Not sure how big the market will be but it will be a monster that is for sure.
If it throws the same as GT70 but it’s much brighter I will skip buying GT70 and go straight for this one! Insane!
DavidEF wrote:
mcfarlie6996 wrote:
Agro wrote:
Should easily out throw the original GT
No. Not at all.
You don’t think 7x Boost HX in the 120mm diameter head of a GT would out-throw the original XHP35 HI GT? You may be right. I certainly don’t know. But, care to elaborate?
EDIT: Roughly, each Boost HX would get a 40mm diameter reflector opening with very little overlap or a larger diameter with more overlap between them.
Both of these are kinda the same so I will reply together.
In my experience, a multi-emitter light will generally only have slightly less throw vs a single emitter in the same space assuming that the reflector cups are well made of course.
I think XHP35 in GT is at or just under 150 cd/mm². Well cooled white flat is over 300 at peak, a little less in a regular fat host like GT. Boost HX should be even more intense. So… 75% higher LED intensity, 260 cd/mm²?
You would have to lose 43% elsewhere to end up with equal throw. What are the losses elsewhere?
Area loss. Not that high with a siamesed 7-up, especially that you can make the reflector cups very deep.
You may also lose a bit of throw by worse centering.
This is the farthest throwing LED we’ve seen so far. I believe Boost HX is in mass production and should be better but we’re not able to source them yet.
There may be better LEDs that we haven’t tested.
And there are emitters better than LEDs.
I can’t wrap my head around the diameter being the same as the GT70, but split into 4 smaller reflectors, AND throwing just as well as one well made GT70 reflector…?
I can see that it may throw insane lumens down range, but at some point wouldn’t it just ‘flare out ‘?
By that I am imagining the 4 beams not being as tightly… collimated? So then at 500 yards the beams disperse….?
I traded GT for GT70 for more lumens downrange, de-domed to reclaim Some throw… but this new one confuses me..
I can’t wrap my head around the diameter being the same as the GT70, but split into 4 smaller reflectors, AND throwing just as well as one well made GT70 reflector…?
I can see that it may throw insane lumens down range, but at some point wouldn’t it just ‘flare out ‘?
By that I am imagining the 4 beams not being as tightly… collimated? So then at 500 yards the beams disperse….?
I traded GT for GT70 for more lumens downrange, de-domed to reclaim Some throw… but this new one confuses me..
Multi-emitter lights in my testing are generally a bit lower then a single reflector of the same size but not much lower.
The lower throw per emitter is made up for by having more emitters and more raw power.
Just what I have noticed over time. It is not a iron clad rule but has served me well.
Maybe they can take the extra ten seconds to make sure the flat of the battery tube lines up with the button this time instead of being a lottery.
Also this reminds me visually of my old Howitzer, which I loved but didn’t have the output you’d expect in such a huge torch today.
Sadly it is not possible due to the way the machining works. It has been tried many times but it is simply not possible to make it line up without a lot of manual labor to grind each piece individually by hand pretty much.
Maybe they can take the extra ten seconds to make sure the flat of the battery tube lines up with the button this time instead of being a lottery.
Can't the flats be set to line up with the button by loosening the battery tube slightly until they line up then tightening the tailcap holding it in place? At least that what someone else recommended long ago and I have did ever since. Of course, that won't help to line up the strap attachment point.
CFT90’s would be awesome for the throw but the power draw (and light output) would be a bit less.
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I wonder how much the head weighs? it must be alot more then normal gts as it looks quite beefy in the pics. So a runtime on highest should be like 5min atleast or so based on how it looks ?
If it has good runtimes on highest then it can compete with olights and acebeams monster lights then if the price isnt too high also.
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It is not extremely chunky inside the head, a lot of volume is converted into finning, but fins have mass also of course, so yes, the head has a bit more volume and will be heavier than the GT. I’m really curious about what the sustainable light level will be actually, large flashlights have an unfavorable volume/surface-area ratio so scaling the power up from a smaller light requires disproportionate measures to create extra surface area (=fins). This is attempted in the GT4 but how the final sustainable output proves to be is a surprise. I hope for over 10K lumen with the head kept under 60 degC. (that will drain the batteries in say 45 minutes, so sustainable is relative
)
link to djozz tests
Classic lumens/thrower with more emphasis on the lumens (XHP70.2's). The Shocker had C8 size reflectors, looks roughly these are about the same size - Shocker had a smaller head diameter with 3 cups. Of course XHP70.2's can't compete even with a XM-L2 in throw, but maybe are closer when driven harder, and in the stock configuration, should beat a Shocker in throw for sure mainly because of the FET based driver and high amps.
I can’t wait to see some numbers on this bad boy, and hopefully it has a nice clean pedal free hotspot.
I think Dale, did a XHP70 mod to the Shocker - would be interesting to see what #'s it got.
Post here: http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/752498#comment-752498, but no throw #'s.
It is about time for extra battery tubes. Those 70.2s will be hungry!
8×18650 is a plenty of battery power
Interested!
I think XHP35 in GT is at or just under 150 cd/mm². Well cooled white flat is over 300 at peak, a little less in a regular fat host like GT. Boost HX should be even more intense. So… 75% higher LED intensity, 260 cd/mm²?
You would have to lose 43% elsewhere to end up with equal throw. What are the losses elsewhere?
Area loss. Not that high with a siamesed 7-up, especially that you can make the reflector cups very deep.
You may also lose a bit of throw by worse centering.
Am I missing something?
Nope you are not missing anything, your numbers sound good to me but I always under-promise and underestimate when possible.
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This is the farthest throwing LED we’ve seen so far. I believe Boost HX is in mass production and should be better but we’re not able to source them yet.
There may be better LEDs that we haven’t tested.
And there are emitters better than LEDs.
I can’t wrap my head around the diameter being the same as the GT70, but split into 4 smaller reflectors, AND throwing just as well as one well made GT70 reflector…?
I can see that it may throw insane lumens down range, but at some point wouldn’t it just ‘flare out ‘?
By that I am imagining the 4 beams not being as tightly… collimated? So then at 500 yards the beams disperse….?
I traded GT for GT70 for more lumens downrange, de-domed to reclaim Some throw… but this new one confuses me..
It’s basically going to have the same throw, but the beam is going to be much wider due to much higher surface area and lumen output.
Because of this, the lumen/candela will be about 4x lower compared to the GT70.
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Multi-emitter lights in my testing are generally a bit lower then a single reflector of the same size but not much lower.
The lower throw per emitter is made up for by having more emitters and more raw power.
Just what I have noticed over time. It is not a iron clad rule but has served me well.
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Maybe they can take the extra ten seconds to make sure the flat of the battery tube lines up with the button this time instead of being a lottery.
Also this reminds me visually of my old Howitzer, which I loved but didn’t have the output you’d expect in such a huge torch today.
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Sadly it is not possible due to the way the machining works. It has been tried many times but it is simply not possible to make it line up without a lot of manual labor to grind each piece individually by hand pretty much.
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Is the intent to do a GB on this light?
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Very nice…
Interested!
Can't the flats be set to line up with the button by loosening the battery tube slightly until they line up then tightening the tailcap holding it in place? At least that what someone else recommended long ago and I have did ever since. Of course, that won't help to line up the strap attachment point.
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How 'bout some nice auxiliary LEDs? Would that be feasible like in the D4S or E07?
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