TrustFire TR-J12 5*CREE XML T6 from DX MF and KD

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It is good they have moved away from the TR-500, 600, 800, 1200, 1600 and TR-3T6 hosts but they would of had to for 5 x XM-L's.

Run time with 3 x 26650 4000 mAh batteries should be decent and with all that alloy and fins it should do well for heat, ill be intrested if they stayed with the style of the TR-3T6 screw in as I thought that was great.

Price for 5 x T6 emmiters and a new designed host is not to bad, but it is getting up there for budget lights, on first impressions I'm keen.

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Vaporware or a prototype. Look at the blurred out host and terrible pics. I don't trust this one bit.

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I agree with Rich about the first pic. It's a bad 'chop. 

The other pics from the site look legit.  

The 72-amp rating looks to be a decimal point off.  

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I'm partial to single-cell lights, but this light is just too tempting. Can't wait to get it. Smile

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dorpmuller wrote:

Vaporware or a prototype. Look at the blurred out host and terrible pics. I don't trust this one bit.

Rich

I don't think it's blurred out or it's a prototype.  I mentioned that there is even a nice instruction manual printed for it.  MAybe you missed my link, but the cuttings and flashlight seems high in quality (at least in the budget lights realm).

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/517413014-1PC-TrustFire-TR-J12-Flashlight-5-CREE-XM-L-T6-LED-5-Mode-4500-Lumens-Memory-wholesalers.html

And with ESCROW, payment is not released to the seller until you "press the button" after you have the item in your hands and inspected it.  You do not pay first, the money is with ESCROW and if there is an issue, you can raise a claim. There is also an Ebay style rating system.

 

I have purchased 38 items from Aliexpress, if the item is bad, you negotiate with the seller, the psychological advantage is on your side.  I think cd520 also used it before, unfortunately USPS lost his parcel when DHL handed it to USPS for the last leg to his house.  *shucks!*   At least on paper for this Aliexpress store, if sometime goes wrong witinh 15 days, they would pay for the return shipping.    I do not think anybody from GG, Illumination Supply, etc any store selling even a $300 branded light in the USA has such a policy.   In the past, i have made use of this for 1 time as in return shipping is paid by the dealer, but that's another HK dealer.

 

 

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Chicago X wrote:

The 72-amp rating looks to be a decimal point off.  

It's 7.5A maximum output current. I guess that is 1.5A to each LED.  Check out the instruction sheet on Emmy Zhang's Aliexpress site.

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2100 wrote:

Chicago X wrote:

The 72-amp rating looks to be a decimal point off.  

It's 7.5A maximum output current. I guess that is 1.5A to each LED.  Check out the instruction sheet on Emmy Zhang's Aliexpress site.

Aliexpress say 7.5 amp max.

Kd say its a 7.2 amp max.

going from KD it works out around 1.4 amp to the each emitter aprox 2600 out the front lumens, if there is no boost circut in the driver, it still should hurt the old eyes on high when you first turn it on.

Ill wait for manafont and see what they say, but even if its well under driven around 1.4 amps x 5 it will put out a huge amount of light.

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Aliexpress say 7.5 amp max.

Kd say its a 7.2 amp max.

if its well under driven around 1.4 amps x 5 it will put out a huge amount of light.

Bro, it should be read as, the Trustfire instruction sheet as photographed by the Aliexpress website reads as 7.5 amps.  It probably is the same as SPAMBOT's Sky Ray L1 drive levels.  You have the TR-1200 which i believe is the well driven earlier copies that came out initially, some others copies report a 1A drive level only for the later batches.  MF sells a "1.5A per LED" driver, so you can change that out for the under-driven TR1200s.  BTW, 1.5A XR-E R2 and 1.5A T6 is a heck lot of difference coz above 1.1A there really is not much meat left for R2.  Smile

 

I trust you guys' readings much more.

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you should not drive an R2 or Q5 higher then 1 amp, the emitters are only rated for 1 amp.

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Ive got some news, Manafont already have the light in stock they updating there website it should be online in the next day or two top,s, price will be around $90 usd aprox, im happy to pay a bit more form a tursted seller (to me). As soon as it pops up ill order it.

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benckie wrote:

you should not drive an R2 or Q5 higher then 1 amp, the emitters are only rated for 1 amp.

You are right, we should not.  Embarassed    We are flashaholics though.   Even for the DRY, there is a noticeable difference between 3A and 4A with the connection directly at the tailcap with real-time DMM display.  If you run it past 2 mins then sorry all bets are off, unless you live in Yakutsk.  heh...

Correction, those are Q5, not R2.

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Damn it's hard not to click the order button on this one..

But I guess waiting till someone else has reviewed it is still the safe thing to do Frown

-> So please hurry!

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The question goes: should I wait for Next gen DRY or just hit this blindfolded? Smile

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Well i spoke to manafont today they said it would be a several hours before they updated there website to add the TR-J12.

So i posted it might take a day or two just incase, but when i got home i checked and it is online for sale so i just brought one to test.

I was happy to pay a couple of bucks more from a seller i know and trust, i can not wait to get it.

TrustFire TR-J12 Cree XM-L T6 5-LED 4500-Lumen 5-Mode Memory Flashlight - Black Aluminum Alloy Finish (3  x 26650/3 x 18650)

As soon as it get,s here ill do a review and some long run time test, range test, current draw and i might even have to pull out the lux meter.

I also placed an order for 3 x 26650 king kong 4000 mAh batteries you dont need them as it will run fine on 2 or 3 x 18650,s but i thought why not.

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I think I'm going to jump on this one as well. Is the only difference between the 26650 and the 18650s the length of run time or is the driver pushed harder with the larger capacity cells?

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The Aliexpress website got my payment last evening, sent out this morning via 4px.  hehe...  FAST!

Lets see what it can do, hope will arrive soon.

But folks, with my experience in these high output lights with 9 multiple XM-Ls, it is never perfect.  So don't think it can be a night and day difference and WOW you crazy.

What i really love using around the house is the 5A3 DRY.

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2100, Im looking forward to your comparative review amongst other multi XML lights. Lets hope the drop-in on this one is threaded into the head and also comes with a robust, overbuilt driver on board.

The Ali photo looks to show a painted finish... not that it would be a bad thing, but it is a bit disappointing for a light of that price... if it isnt anodized.

Also, what happened to your trying to reduce your flashlight consumption??? Haha! I knew it would never happen... Wink

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Isn't the head a little bit small? The SKY RAY L1 5xT6 is 74mm.

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Olli1783 wrote:

Trustfire 26650 5000mAh (4000mAh Real(!?)) : http://www.powerwholesale.net/trustfire-26650-5000mah-37v-liion-protected-battery2pcs-p-1663.html - 15 Bucks 

They are real

DX has it for $22.80 for a pair

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I also ordered mine from Aliexpress today and could luckily used a $5 discount coupon as this was my first order. You can search and fins some coupons for first orders >$50, $100 and $200 as well. It made the price ~$78 for me. The seller contacted me promptly and asked if I needed batteries and charger as well. Quite promising communications sofar.

I also ordered 3 pieces of King Kong batteries from Intl-Outdoors. I hope to have a super long life, super high power light at the end.

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how2 wrote:

Olli1783 wrote:

Trustfire 26650 5000mAh (4000mAh Real(!?)) : http://www.powerwholesale.net/trustfire-26650-5000mah-37v-liion-protected-battery2pcs-p-1663.html - 15 Bucks 

They are real

DX has it for $22.80 for a pair

Manafont has 25500 type o ?

http://www.manafont.com/product_info.php/trustfire-protected-25500-37v-4000mah-rechargeable-battery-1pcset-p-8841

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Olli1783 wrote:

Trustfire 26650 5000mAh (4000mAh Real(!?)) : http://www.powerwholesale.net/trustfire-26650-5000mah-37v-liion-protected-battery2pcs-p-1663.html - 15 Bucks 

Add about 7-8 bucks for shipping.

 

Last year and this year, there were some threads on Bestinone.net and it's amongst one of the best sites around.  Live chat works and the cells they do are very good.  The best is the 18350s which many reported to significantly go over the stated capacity. My 18500 and 14500 can reach the stated capacity. Shao is selling them on CPFM.  They have 3500mAh 26650s.  Add $2 for shipping though.  Unfortuantely you can't buy in 1 pc.

http://www.bestinone.net/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=55

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Kokopelli wrote:

I also ordered 3 pieces of King Kong batteries from Intl-Outdoors. I hope to have a super long life, super high power light at the end.

Bro, just to check, you know about Li-ion handling and safety right?  One thing with unprotected batteries is never to leave it unattended.  This is needed because quite a few would mention and want "super long life".   When the light cuts, you need to run over quick to turn off the light via the tailcap. And i do mean fast within 5 seconds.   Sometimes the driver components (usually MOSTFETs) burn out and cut out before that when it fails, so you are safe.  Sometimes they flicker and you have early warning.

 

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Also, what happened to your trying to reduce your flashlight consumption??? Haha! I knew it would never happen... Wink

Oh...this is easy.  I wanted to get the XTAR S1 and figured that i could save more with this TR-J12.  hehe....  Big Smile

 

Anyway, some videos of the Sky Ray L1.  I think the hotspot of the L1 is a bit larger as well (other than it nets you 700+ lux compared to Trustfire's 500+)  Disclaimer : It is just for your info.  I cannot verify the accuracy of the tail readings.  I repeat, this is for your reference and enjoyment only....

 

And in this vid, you can see that the 2-cell Sky Ray SR3800 with drop-in taking in quite lower readings at 1.8A.  Usually we get like 2.6A with rev 0.  And so you also get light that is similar to the Trustfire.  My copy of SR3800 is much brighter than the Trustfire.  It does not make sense though....2 cells at 1.8A and 3-cells at 1.5A but give off the same amount of light on the lux meter?    Some variable is messing things up.

 

 

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2100 wrote:

Kokopelli wrote:

I also ordered 3 pieces of King Kong batteries from Intl-Outdoors. I hope to have a super long life, super high power light at the end.

Bro, just to check, you know about Li-ion handling and safety right?  One thing with unprotected batteries is never to leave it unattended.  This is needed because quite a few would mention and want "super long life".   When the light cuts, you need to run over quick to turn off the light via the tailcap. And i do mean fast within 5 seconds.   Sometimes the driver components (usually MOSTFETs) burn out and cut out before that when it fails, so you are safe.  Sometimes they flicker and you have early warning.

 

 

Hmm. Just made the calculation now. I guess you're right. When the voltage drops the current drawn from the cells will increase, but would it still go up to dangerous measures with 3x26650 cells really? I mean I won't push the light onhigh for long but might leave for 6 hours in the mid setting. 

BTW, could anybody confirm if this light has under voltage protection for 2xcells? Maybe one who can read Chinese?
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Oh actually that boost in current part is ok when the cell drains.  I am talking more about driver failures, guess i did not mention that specifically in my post.  When the driver fails, there is a high chance it would give a dead short, and most unprotected batteries don't like that and may vent after a good number of seconds.  Only some Panasonics can hold up to dead shorts and what you get is a dead cell after that, no vents/explosions.   I am talking about the safety part, not the dead equipment part.

Not sure if there is any LV cut and we cannot assume, need to test it out.

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