TrustFire TR-J12 5*CREE XML T6 from DX MF and KD

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I received few day ago, but my camera wasn't here.
I will make a mini review later.

I ordered from KD first and DX.
For DX I ordered 12-31-2011 , but 01-09-2012 still in "Order Received".

So I canceled from DX and WILL NOT ORDER ANYMORE!!!

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DX is so slow that's why I ordered from manafont, but I'm in Australia so orders take around two weeks to get here from manafont over a month for DX I'm not realy a fan of KD either to be honest.

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Service from DX KD MF

1st for me is MF but TR-J12 is too late in MF's catalog.

From now
MF = Flashlights , DIY
KD = Flashlights (If cheaper than MF ;) ) , DIY , driver

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benckie wrote:

So 2100 yours must be here now ?

bro yep, got it 2 days ago it was delayed a bit, i have posted sone measurements in another thread

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benckie wrote:

DX is so slow that's why I ordered from manafont, but I'm in Australia so orders take around two weeks to get here from manafont over a month for DX I'm not realy a fan of KD either to be honest.

I've got mine very fast from KD, seemed to be the first to recieve it too?

KD seems very fast, good and helpful too bad their website lacks info...

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Makita BML185 modded with 4x XM-L U2 @ 3A // Dry 5A(ordered) NW & CW // Trustfire TR-TJ 5*T6 // Trustfire ST-50 // Trustfire X8(ordered) // Trustfire 5xR2, Ultrafire C8 XML T6 // Solarforce L2 extended XM-L U2 // Ultrafire C8 XM

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I am waiting since two weeks and nothing happens. Last time ever I ordered something at DX

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You need to be patient if order from DX & KD. Generally takes 30-35 days are normal!

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When I ordered 18 month ago it took 10 days to New Zealand. The time in between it got worse and worse. One month is not acceptable. Last order ever at least for me.

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Waiting waiting!

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My Skyray 818 does 3A on two fully charged (4,19V) 18650 Hi-Max batteries. If this one does 3,3A on two 26650 it can't be much brighter. Or can it?

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Matjazz wrote:

My Skyray 818 does 3A on two fully charged (4,19V) 18650 Hi-Max batteries. If this one does 3,3A on two 26650 it can't be much brighter. Or can it?

Here's a test that might answer your question, posted by ergotelis on cpf:

ergotelis wrote:
OTF lumen, white empty room, 30sec measurements:
 
Itp xp-g S2 eos A3: 67 lumen
Fenix LD15: 96 lumen
Zebralight H51: 155 lumen
Olight i1 eos(cr123): 242 lumen
Nitecore ife2: 256 lumen
Jetbeam BC20(17670): 266 lumen
Zebralight SC60: 288 lumen
Armytek Predator: 343 lumen
Olight Baton S35: 382 lumen
Defier XT: 500 lumen
Defier X3: 600 lumen
Thrunite Catapult V2 XM-L: 740 lumen
Eagletac M3C4: 780 lumen
Fenix TK60: 790 lumen
Fenix TK35: 860 lumen
Trustfire 3*T6: 1470 lumen
Skyray 3*T6: 1610 lumen
Fenix TK70: 2290 lumen
Trustfire TR-J12: 2386 lumen
 

 

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Makita BML185 modded with 4x XM-L U2 @ 3A // Dry 5A(ordered) NW & CW // Trustfire TR-TJ 5*T6 // Trustfire ST-50 // Trustfire X8(ordered) // Trustfire 5xR2, Ultrafire C8 XML T6 // Solarforce L2 extended XM-L U2 // Ultrafire C8 XM

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i have posted this here too Smile

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Matjazz wrote:

My Skyray 818 does 3A on two fully charged (4,19V) 18650 Hi-Max batteries. If this one does 3,3A on two 26650 it can't be much brighter. Or can it?

Oh....ergotelis has the SR 3800, not the SR 818. But it should be very similar IF the current draw is the same.

But the SR3800 is about 2.6A with freshly charged good cells that do not sag much (it may go up to near 3A with lousy cells even at 4.2V just freshly charged).  However Matjazz is using Hi-Max, which are very good.

Actually I am measuring like 3.5-3.6A on TF Flames @ 4.2V. It is only the best of the best like Sanyo 2600 unprotected that i get 3.3x amps. (those buggers are crazy, even better than my Panasonic 2900/3100mAh).

Even with both 818 and J12 are at 3.3A, the J12 will still have a bit more output due to its 5 emitters nature (you can calculate that with the LED calculator). 

 

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Judging from ergolites measurements it's 50% brighter than Skyray 818 (818 is the same as 4800 v0 I used to own). 50% doesn't make much difference to the naked eye. I'll stick with my 818 till something 2x brighter comes out (perhaps TR-J12 with stronger driver)

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Matjazz wrote:

Judging from ergolites measurements it's 50% brighter than Skyray 818 (818 is the same as 4800 v0 I used to own). 50% doesn't make much difference to the naked eye. I'll stick with my 818 till something 2x brighter comes out (perhaps TR-J12 with stronger driver)

Hmm....not sure where did you get the 818 figure (I'll do a search for ergo's post again later),  actually your 818 could be brighter than usual somehow, as you did use Hi-Max cells at 4.19V in which the cells are pretty good in terms of internal resistance/current delivery for direct drive.  I have included a long list of lights measurements in the first page of my TR-J12 post, and the SR3800 is 160 while the TR-J12 is 225.  The Trustfire TR-3T6 and whichever variant that are 2.1A at the tail are doing about 130.

So 160 vs 225 is 1.4x more, 40%?   But yeah I am actually very happy that you do recognise that you need a heck lot more output to make a real visible difference.  Smile  

 Edit : I found ergo's list.  His Sky Ray 3T6 is the SR3800, i still remember his posts in CPF.  That light does not have 3.0A at the tail, not with such good cells at 4.19V.  Not sure what DMM are you using, but if your leads are thin and the DMM's internal resistance is high, it can artificially boost the readings i guess.  (high resistance = higher current, lower resistance = lower current....circuitry tries to regulate to stay at the same power)

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Hi, i am reading you, tested from trustfire 2400,sanyo 2600, redilast 2600-2900, panasonic 3100, none drew such high current. Man this is a really high current draw you are mentioning!

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I got my TR-J12 5 x XM-L a few days ago, it was held up by Australia mail redirection because i moved house over the new year, as we all know now the king Kong's are a no go fitment wise out of the box.

I'm impressed with the build quality of the light it works well and is much brighter to my eyes playing out the back at night in the dark then the TR-3T6.

First impressions is its a nice looking light, looks much better then the TR host,s and its going to be a decent run time torch.

I have not been able to do to much testing except for current draw and a bit of running in the back yard.

2 x Trustfire flames 2400mAh 3.35 amps

2 x Trustfire flames 2400mAh 3.48 amps

3 x Trustfire flames 2400mAh 1.44 amps

2 x Panasonic NCR18650A 3100mAh 3.84 amps

2 x Solarforce 2600mAh 3.66 amps

2 x Redilast 2600mAh 3.74 amps

2 x Hi-max 2400mAh 3.41 amps.

All 18650 type batteries

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What happens when the batteries are starting to discharge, when the batteries are 3.6-3.7V?

I am curious the current in this stage. Did anybody try this?

 

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Change battery tube position

 

 

 

 

 

JM07 PRO Battery tube

I 've just try 1x18650 and 1x26650

Soshine 4.19V tailcap draw 3.25A

MNKE 26650  4.19V tailcap draw 3.35A

CGR18650CH 4.19V tailcap draw 3.87A

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pictures of the dropin and inside head?  fit perfectly with the jm07 treads?

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moviles2 wrote:

pictures of the dropin and inside head?  fit perfectly with the jm07 treads?

It's the same braid pitch of JM07 and TR-J12 , but JM07 thread is longer.

You can see JM07's O-ring.

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How bright it is on one cell?

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Ceiling bounce back lux test: My DRY 5A NW arrived and scored 202lux @ 3,4A tailcap reading(~40w?).

Trustfire TR-J12 scores 298, 50% higher @ 2,2A(~30w)

Trustfire X8 XM-L U2 @ 1,8A(15w) tailcap scores 95lux

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The body of my JM07 PRO (gray one) wouldn't work with the TR-J12 . The threads are the same, but the body is annodized and it wouldn't bottom out to complete the negative connection. I was just using the extension to get some single cell testing.

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no pictures of the dropin anywere jet?

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no one have pictures of the dropin?

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The drop-in does not come out. It has great thermal pathway to the body. I left it on high till batts died and the entire torch was hot, from head to tailcap/

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xed888 wrote:

The drop-in does not come out.

 

     I refuse to believe that

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im not going to force it.

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Flashlightlens now has 60mm size lens for the J12. Actually, the size for the J12 is 59mm.

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