Imalent MS18 with 100,000Lumen and R90TS with 36,000Lumen

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Translation:“Broken off,I find that the 2 pieces stick together.What the hell is the design.”

Thanks for the translation 59. The R90C has nothing to do with this thread, but to answer his question, the head of the R90C has a small allen screw above each lantern, probably for servicing and ease of assembly; you can see in his photo that each screw is hanging down onto the two lanterns (which read R90C). You can’t tell if they were stripped or broken from the presumed long drop, but if the torch still works, they should replace those allen screws.

It would be highly unlikely for the threads to strip since they’re an order of magnitude harder than the aluminum they’re threaded to. It just appears snapped because the screws are counterbored into the head.

being stripped from the head is what I said, so that includes the female threads in the head, but likely or not you also can’t assume they were damaged either like Jason said earlier…maybe the guy took it apart to modify it and wanted to complain about it because he just didn’t like how it was made, no that never happens here, he gave no context. He only served to stir up trouble, like help is needed there. This is exactly why most manufacturers just put out their products and don’t really care about this forum, everyone here wants to control their design, description, marketing strategy, prices, and policies. It’s become much worse that feedback and suggestions. Give an inch, take a mile.

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To me this looks like it was in the process of being disassembled but it’s hard to tell. Would be nice to see the other side of the light for drop damage. Either way, I would call it misuse. I know they are heavy but in my opinion it would have to take a SERIOUS drop for that to happen. In the meantime I would not assume anything negative until we get more info.

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nokoff wrote:
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Translation:“Broken off,I find that the 2 pieces stick together.What the hell is the design.”

Thanks for the translation 59. The R90C has nothing to do with this thread, but to answer his question, the head of the R90C has a small allen screw above each lantern, probably for servicing and ease of assembly; you can see in his photo that each screw is hanging down onto the two lanterns (which read R90C). You can’t tell if they were stripped or broken from the presumed long drop, but if the torch still works, they should replace those allen screws.

It would be highly unlikely for the threads to strip since they’re an order of magnitude harder than the aluminum they’re threaded to. It just appears snapped because the screws are counterbored into the head.

being stripped from the head is what I said, so that includes the female threads in the head, but likely or not you also can’t assume they were damaged either like Jason said earlier…maybe the guy took it apart to modify it and wanted to complain about it because he just didn’t like how it was made, no that never happens here, he gave no context. He only served to stir up trouble, like help is needed there. This is exactly why most manufacturers just put out their products and don’t really care about this forum, everyone here wants to control their design, description, marketing strategy, prices, and policies. It’s become much worse that feedback and suggestions. Give an inch, take a mile.

Only responding to your quote bout needing to replace the SHCS

It’s very easy though to accuse the end consumers… Give the manufacturers an inch they take a mile. Except here in the US if you were a business giving customers 71% of what you promise you’d be done in a year. Here if a manufacturer does that everyone praises them for being innovative and at the cutting edge!

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hey guys

 

just came home

 

I slept less than 10 hours the last 3 days and will take tonight off and cut/publish the video and pictures tomorrow..

 

since it matters :

ZozzV6 measured 97700 Lumen compared to his MT09R (112000 compared with a L2 xhp50.2)

throw was calculated 1.1km (measured @20m)

 

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O SNAP

Can’t wait to hear more!

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same settings

MS18 (97700+ Lumen) 

R90TS (30800+ lumen ) 

 

 

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Got to give credit where due. That is seriously impressive.

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I really don’t know yet if the throw distance on the R90TS is any better than my R90C, though lumens are definitely “doubled” based on realistic figures, so that’s good, but at the same time the R90C has close spill. I really like it because I can see my entire yard and the ridge behind me, but some may not like all that spill. It will be interesting to hear some opinions on the the throw, the spill, and the efficacy of the objects at distance, and photo comparison to an R90C. I know Martin has both Smile

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Like I said a month ago about these high power lights, they don’t have CPU style cooling to keep temps down, sustained output will be rubbish. In other words these lights will just be toys.

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Two on my wish list. Cool

And thanks a lot for the info Martin! Thumbs Up Beer

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Blinkinglights wrote: Like I said a month ago about these high power lights, they don’t have CPU style cooling to keep temps down, sustained output will be rubbish. In other words these lights will just be toys.
If you said it then why keep saying it. Are you a broken record?!? Honestly I’m getting sick of hearing it. If it’s rubbish then move the fuck along.

Relax “nokoff” its not that serious its just a toy, like a video game for kids.

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Looks like the GT4 is getting punked

Huh? Two different lights. Very different designs and price ranges.

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M4D M4X wrote:

ZozzV6 measured 97700 Lumen compared to his MT09R (112000 compared with a L2 xhp50.2)



This is ceiling bounce comparisons or what exactly?

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Curious what lumens he assumed the MT09R to be. Hakelite over spec the lumens on the MT09R. If this even makes 80k lumens, it would be really amazing since all flashlight manufacturers seem to use a reference that is 20% higher than the Maukka/ANSI standard.

Is Imalent planning to release a NW version.

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Is Imalent planning to release a NW version?

Yeah right.

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MS18 : 98k lumens 350kcd
R90TS: 30k lumens 800kcd
Which one should I get?

My two combined MT03 has over 32k lumens but they can only do about 75kcd. MS18 350kcd is very impressive too.

But I think R90TS will be more sustainable in terms of heat and power consumption.

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But I think R90TS will be more sustainable in terms of heat and power consumption.


Is it fan cooled?

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Wait for the GT4 to come out for a final decision between it and the R90TS.

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Have to ask Martin or ZozzV6 whether R90TS has fan cool. I would say it should since externally they looks 100% identical. Imalent will save cost if having similar parts for these two lights.

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As an example, Skylumen/Vinh was brought up in this thread to compare to the MS18 output by a friend of Vinhs who appears IMO to shill for him every chance they get. I have had multiple poor experiences with Skylumen, they’re no longer even on my radar.

Probably talking about me! That is ok,I speak the truth backed up by others and my experience.So it is EASY to use V54 as an example,and I do!

,,,,,,Because his lights have MORE output than these manufacturers do, as they should.I simply pointed out that he crossed[legitimately] the 100K lumen mark before the aforementioned manufacturers.

You obviously are not fond of him[expressed above], so it is no surprise that if someone else is, it seems to bother you. Wink

100% an argumentative troll and shill, BLF was a better place before he unfortunately joined us

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I don’t understand how he is a troll. Some people are passionately loyal to a brand and that is not uncommon. Not sure why that is a problem. Skylumen does make good lights as I own a bunch of them.

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SKV89 wrote:
I don’t understand how he is a troll. Some people are passionately loyal to a brand and that is not uncommon. Not sure why that is a problem. Skylumen does make good lights as I own a bunch of them.

He never posts (gloats) without comparing stock lights to his overpriced V54 modded lights. He is a shill and a nuisance

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He never posts (gloats) without comparing stock lights to his overpriced V54 modded lights. He is a shill and a nuisance

It’s better to just ignore his posts than to bring attention to them.

You are basically “feeding the troll” which is never a good idea.

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If one of those VN lights could run longer than stock on highest output without shutting down or burning my hand I would drop some serious money on them.

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I’m just now watching Martin’s video that went live recently.

It seems the MS18 and R90TS have 2 fans (30mm I believe) in a push/pull configuration. They are using heat pipes as well. It seems odd, but I guess the pipes makes an improvement over not using them.

It’s a bit strange that the R90TS has smaller diameter reflector cups for the 6 xhp35-HI in the middle compared to the bigger cups on the 12 emmiters around the perimeter. I guess they ran out of room. Would having them all the same diameter be better? IDK. It means 12 emitters have a tighter hotspot than the other 6.

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JasonWW wrote:
lionheart_2281 wrote:

He never posts (gloats) without comparing stock lights to his overpriced V54 modded lights. He is a shill and a nuisance

It’s better to just ignore his posts than to bring attention to them.

You are basically “feeding the troll” which is never a good idea.

And this is why I didn’t respond to his last comment earlier in the thread, They will never see the light, and they like having the last word, so just let them have it. In other words, don’t argue with an (insert descriptive term here), they only drag you down and beat you with experience.

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Guys, we all love flashlights and it is normal to compare flashlights with similar performance.
Vinh created and sold his giant output lights two or three years ago. Many are excited with his creation. Those flashlights are the only flashlights can be compared to Imalent MS18 and R90TS.
I don’t think it is right to label a person as shill unless there are concrete proofs.

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Sorry for not answering anything for a while but just arrived home after midnight. And slept the same amount as Martin in the last 3 days. 2 whole days walking on IWA. And 9 hours in car to home which has 4 hours in a Mazda Miata in night in rain so I was tired as hell. Now after a good sleep n my own bed it is better.
But it is totally worth it. Big Smile
Both MS18 and R90TS has same cooling with 4 heatpipes in it and host. The difference maybe only reflector, MCPCB, LEDs and driver current.
The shape and look is very similar to the MS12 but we compared closer and these are just looks like the old one. Not sharing any parts. Everything is new. Maybe the switch is the same and that is all.
We measured four lights in my lumen tube and then measured them in the integrating bathroom Big Smile
To get a multiplier for the lux reading for lumens.
Skilhunt DS20
Convoy L2 Luxeon V
Convoy L2 XHP50.2
Haikelite MT03 TA (Martin missed this not an MT09R. No problem he doesn’t have Haikelites)
With this four lights the multipliers was within 12% range maybe because flood lights bounced more in the room and for that 97966 lumen number on MS18 we used the lowest multiplier to get the most conservative guesstimate. I don’t call this an exact measurement but maybe having 10% error in it then it is still impressive with 90k lumens.
I bot gonna lie. Martin expected 85000 and me slightly above 70000 so both of us surprised.

Then I decided to make a bigger lumen tube and buying Maukka’s calibrated lights soon because a lot of lights don’t fit in my 4” tube.
We tokd Imalent that they must do something with the switch because it is too easy to activate while you just grabbing on the light.

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DENGOH wrote:
Guys, we all love flashlights and it is normal to compare flashlights with similar performance. Vinh created and sold his giant output lights two or three years ago. Many are excited with his creation. Those flashlights are the only flashlights can be compared to Imalent MS18 and R90TS. I don’t think it is right to label a person as shill unless there are concrete proofs.

Do a quick search on his posts, you’ll find an incredible % of them mention / gloat about his V54 lights, I’m not kidding.

I own half a dozen of his lights too, but I don’t use every second post as a way to promote them or Vinh

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ZozzV6, is R90TS using XHP35 or XHP35 HI?

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