Imalent MS18 with 100,000Lumen and R90TS with 36,000Lumen

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ZozzV6 wrote:
All walls were white so 100000 lumens in 6m2 area room Big Smile

Zozz a few seconds later :

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ZozzV6 wrote:
All walls were white so 100000 lumens in 6m2 area room Big Smile It doesn’t matter how floody is it Big Smile

It’s basically a cubic sphere.

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Tally-ho wrote:
ZozzV6 wrote:
All walls were white so 100000 lumens in 6m2 area room Big Smile

Zozz a few seconds later :

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M4DM4X you should write here that photo exif data Wink
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Tally-ho wrote:
ZozzV6 wrote:
All walls were white so 100000 lumens in 6m2 area room Big Smile

Zozz a few seconds later :

HAHAHAHAHA LOVE IT!

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Does this mean Zozz and Martin took and won the team Bird Box challenge at IWA 2019? Congrats!

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M4D M4X wrote:

 I hope some comments above can be edited in case they contain rude words against Imalent based in fictious numbers and assumptions Wink 


 


new, uneducated members and guests could get a wrong picture…

Martin, always thankful for your YouTube reviews and deals you get for BLFers. Also thankful to djozz for all his contributions here.

First, in an open forum, you’re going to expect comments both positive and negative. Some of them were directed toward Imalent, and deservingly so – they screwed up before, big time. And they have a history of overstating their output numbers on their lights. So why do you find it surprising that many folks remain skeptical? Anyone plunking down over 7 large on a flashlight should remain skeptical, unless they just have discretionary cash to spend on the “latest and greatest.”

Secondly, just because you and djozz test a prototype light does not mean that the lights that end up in customers’ hands will be the same. I’ve been involved in a few industries – DIY CNC machining, golf, bowling, computers – and manufacturers are pretty keen at getting the “cherry” products to those that they know will do reviews and have the equipment to test them. I already mentioned earlier the BS marketing with stepper motors versus servomotors. Golf and bowling are even worse – anyone who thinks that they can buy the same exact clubs Tiger and Phil play, or a bowling bowl that the pros use, are living a pipe dream. Even computers – when the DIY computer components scene was hot in the 90s the two biggest GPU players were nVidia and ATI (now AMD.) They each would get caught red-handed by the enthusiast magazines for sending hot-rodded overclocked versions of their cards. Then when 3Dmark became the de-facto standard of DirectX benchmarking, they would cook their drivers to get higher scores – even so low as one time ATI selectively using lower anti-aliasing in different parts of the screen when a higher anti-aliasing was selected. Or AMD and Intel purposely dumbing down the specs of their chips when they would easily bin at higher speeds? The best was the first Athlon – a freakin’ pencil line between two vias on the top would allow you to overclock the chip as that would act as a “jumper” of sorts – a few manufacturers figured this out, and it wasn’t long before somehow some hackers figured it out. Cars? Well, yes in a way, but as I mentioned earlier that works in a different way, because of the way cars are driven.

Lastly, it’s OK for people to disagree on stuff; the world would be so lame if we all liked the same things or agreed on everything. Words and meanings, in my experience, get lost in the sea of typed words, which may not be put into context with facial expressions and hand gestures. Especially in a group that’s international. I bet if we all were around a table drinking pints of beer there’d be more laughter and back-slapping. That said, I think some of the language here in general is a bit out-of-hand and out-of-place. I laugh at how passionate people can be about inanimate objects – I collect electric guitars too (as well as build electric and acoustic guitars) and those forums get out of hand also. Back when I started online there were no forums; one would post on a BBS or whatever newsgroup, or go on the dark corner of the Internet – the Usenet.

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It’s great that djozz has tested the MS18 to run within an acceptable range for spec. It’d be interesting to see further testing with a lumens vs. run time chart. It would also be great if more of these make it into the wild for some more independent testing. I understand that with new products there may be certain kinks that need to be sorted out so hope that they do.

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Well, it appears the “uneducated” were perhaps the ones spamming the invented numbers with their hyopthetical BS. I imagine they’ll just slink away. I do agree the posts that have nothing to do with the light don’t belong here – shame posters feel the need to bring their personal crap into an otherwise informative post.

People are quite educated and are used to Imalents exaggerated output numbers based on all their previous lights. Fact.

I suppose you forget about the quality control issues and not honoring warranties, etc…?

Only time will tell if Imalent can clean up their reputation. Two new lights doesn’t make all the rest dissappear. So everyone will be watching Imalent over the next couple years to see if they improve themselves. If their two new lights have decently accurate lumen specs, that is a step in the right direction. Thumbs Up

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ZozzV6 wrote:
We told Imalent to lower the current to 2A per led on the TS bevsuse over that not much lumen gains but more heat. And maybe it will be only 28000 lumens but more sustainable runtime in turbo.
Outside in 10°C and heavy wind they keep up very well but inside in the room they get hot within a minute. And when powered off still warm after 10 minutes. We did not measured stepdown times and what is the sustainable output for long time because we did not have that much tim to charge them multiple times for those measurements.

I am not sure is the current measurement accurate. With 2.3A, the output of 30k lumens are quite low. It is merely 1667lm per LED.
If the 2.3A is already incorrectly, suggesting Imalent to lower it might not get the best performance out of the LED.

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as stated above, compared to the beam character of a L2 the R90TS gave 35000 Lumens

we had a range of factors and used the lower one. 

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Yes I know that. But the way you place the lux meter facing wall would make single LED flashlight having higher factor compare to multi-LED flashlight. This is because less light would be hitting the wall for single LED flashlight with ceiling bounce. Haikelite MT03 is quite suitable reference in this case, that is why I believe the 30k lumens number is quite close.

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I agree! 

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LouieAtienza:
You mixing me with djozz. We are two different guys. Wink

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Adhara wrote:
M4D M4X wrote:

 I hope some comments above can be edited in case they contain rude words against Imalent based in fictious numbers and assumptions Wink 


 


new, uneducated members and guests could get a wrong picture…

Well, it appears the “uneducated” were perhaps the ones spamming the invented numbers with their hyopthetical BS. I imagine they’ll just slink away. I do agree the posts that have nothing to do with the light don’t belong here – shame posters feel the need to bring their personal crap into an otherwise informative post.

Thanks to you and sidekick for all your tireless work in getting some initial data to us, Martin!

I agree that rude or offensive comments aren’t helpful and so do the rules of this forum.

I don’t agree that there’s anything wrong with people using real examples of past products and experiences to predict output values or possible new experiences. So long as anyone kept on point and didn’t fall into an emotional rant against the manufacturer based on their feelings there is absolutely nothing wrong with using factual information from the past to try and make predictions.

Moreover, especially when we’re talking about the most expensive flashlights you can buy from places like BG I think it’s actually a responsibility to help educate potential buyers rather than gloss over a seriously flawed history.

How would you feel if you went to a forum that specialized in reviewing small production run specialized cars that cost $150 000 and everyone on that forum fully endorsed a new car because the initial results from the mfg prototypes were finally accurate to the stated claims. Then afterwards if something goes wrong you do a little digging and find out that repeatedly that same mfg that was endorsed strongly was scarred with issues across multiple products and had a significant amount of legitimate customer service complaints which were simply denied by the mfg.

We’re not talking about an up and coming mfg like Fireflies who’s had some issues with their first run of products. We’re talking about a company that’s been in the game long enough and had multiple successions to their entire lights series yet have such a bad track record there is actually a BLF poll for people to verify if they’ve had QC issues with Imalent.

Trolling isn’t helpful to anyone but suggesting that people don’t dig up the the past just because for the first time ever Imalent appears to have accurate output specifications?

Imalent appears to have taken a big step in the right direction:
-accurate output specs
-changes in design that respond to community feedback

Imalent appears to want to fix their reputation which means It’s also important they understand how damaged it really is. The more Imalent feels the need to rectify past mistakes and win back customers who’ve denounced them in the past, the more likely they are to continue making changes in the right direction.

It’s not out of line to suggest that a manufacturer who denied legitimate warranty claims wouldn’t revert back to their old habits if they start believing all they have to do is produce one good series of products to undo years of bad customer service and bad quality products.

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LouieAtienza: You mixing me with djozz. We are two different guys. Wink

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Waiting for more info.

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M4D M4X wrote:

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This is outdoor sunny day settings Cool

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True this MS18 will hardly make 70 000 true lumens.

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True this MS18 will hardly make 70 000 true lumens.

You are calling ZozzV6 and me to be liars??? 

 

the Romanian Dealer Bela posted some impressive beamshots on facebook:

 https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2288350291209344&id=179581925419535

X70 vs. MS18

 

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^^^ Absolutely gorgeous picture. Not only just stunning looking, but a perfect way to show the difference in raw output between the Acebeam and Imalent. Thumbs Up Beer

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Where is the centre spot of the X70?

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Over 5500 lumens per LED?

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The MS18 is super impressive in that comparison with the X70 assuming the X70 is running on turbo. It out throws the X70 by at least double. However, I don’t see the hotspot for the XHP35HI in the X70, which makes me wonder if it is even turned on.

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Bela is acebeam dealer in Romania..  

I doubt he would make a light look bad on purpose. 

 

have you looked at the other pictures he made

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Cannot also see the X70 XHP35 centre spot. Why will they switch it off?

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I never said you a liar. For example as i can remember you measured your R90C 21000 lumens. I got on mine just above 15000 lumens what most guys on my side got as well. Is it not perhaps something to do with the lux meter.

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better? 

 

I asked him about the exif data.   

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Wow, when can we have this beauty? Is there going to be a launch presale or groupbuy Martin?

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