Imalent MS18 with 100,000Lumen and R90TS with 36,000Lumen

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trailhunter wrote:
Is there a line of people going to jump on this light saber?

yes 

 

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i just bought an MS18 off of ledsupermall for $669. It’s still showing as in stock on their website? i got express shipping so we will see

https://www.ledsupermall.com/imalent-ms18-cree-xhp70-2-100000-lumens-120...

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grahambo0101 wrote:
i just bought an MS18 off of ledsupermall for $669. It’s still showing as in stock on their website? i got express shipping so we will see

https://www.ledsupermall.com/imalent-ms18-cree-xhp70-2-100000-lumens-120...

Looks shady, let us know if you receive one

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Imalent told that must be a trick

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Any updates as to when this will be available for sale?

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a german dealer wrote that the lights are ready and being prepared to ship to the distributers

i hope to get confirmation tomorrow from the owner of Imalent



i think mid may is when you need a loaded PayPal Wink

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M4D M4X wrote:

a german dealer wrote that the lights are ready and being prepared to ship to the distributers

i hope to get confirmation tomorrow from the owner of Imalent




i think mid may is when you need a loaded PayPal Wink

Monopoly money ready

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Hey m4d m4x, if I’m already subscribed to your site do I have to join a mailing list to be notified about the MS18, or do I automatically get an email?

Thank you tons!

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Hello my dear friends!

today i got the user manuals (english and chinese) for the lights, that will be shipped in a week or so Big Smile

just click the link to the file (.pdf format)
MS18 and R90TS

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Tired The amount of money invested into that case alone tells me this may be light years ahead of my flashlight budget

On the other hand, that’s one damn sexy case! Cash

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Holy crap these lights coming out of china are amazing. Acebeam looks to be falling behind with their x65.

So we finally have a high output thrower that goes beyond some of the oldschool incan and hid monsters, except in a state of the art lite package. Crazy.

But the r90c alone droped output very quickly after just 3-4mins, so is the new r90ts going to be the same or worse?

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I hope the R90TS will have active temperarure regulation for that price. My R90C output just continues to dimish and doesnt know how to go back up even when the light cooled down by the cold wind outdoors.

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R90TS has the same body as the MS18 with heat pipe cooler and push-pull fans

 

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Saul M wrote:
Holy crap these lights coming out of china are amazing. Acebeam looks to be falling behind with their x65.

So we finally have a high output thrower that goes beyond some of the oldschool incan and hid monsters, except in a state of the art lite package. Crazy.

But the r90c alone droped output very quickly after just 3-4mins, so is the new r90ts going to be the same or worse?

Just incase you weren’t aware:
Acebeam is a 100% based & manufactured Chinese company. (it can appear they’re US or other high end brand due to their extremely high prices)
Acebeam released the X70 last year which trumped the 53,000 lumen Imalent MS12 with 60,000 lumens
Acebeam also produced the X80 with 25,000 lumens then the X80GT with 32,500 lumens

Since the battle began, Imalent rushes to market first but Acebeam has always answered back shortly after with something that trumps the Imalent product.

Acebeam originally announced the X70 at 45,000 lumens here on BLF and then prior to the official launch the MS12 dropped with 53,000 lumens. Out of nowhere the Acebeam official launch was boosted to 60,000 lumens

That said, I will be shocked if they have a hidden warhead that eclipses 100,000 lumens. I’m also really excited though, because the only company willing to take lumens to these levels have been Imalent and Acebeam. The battle is what’s driven the insane output leaps in just a few years

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And here’s the problem:
At such high lumen levels, a light will not be able to last even 20 min at full power.

With the most recent high powered lights, that went down to 10 min if sufficiently cooled.

With the MS18, with capable Samsung 30Ts, that is going to be an insane 6 min at the absolute max.

And with XHP70.2s, color rendition is crap, and tint is even worse.

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SKV89 wrote:
I hope the R90TS will have active temperarure regulation for that price. My R90C output just continues to dimish and doesnt know how to go back up even when the light cooled down by the cold wind outdoors.

Looks like fw over protecting the leds. Someone need to highlight this to Imalent. It is no fun if user can’t indulge in turbo output again after short rest.

cool i'll see you when you get there

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BlueSwordM wrote:
And here’s the problem:
At such high lumen levels, a light will not be able to last even 20 min at full power.

With the most recent high powered lights, that went down to 10 min if sufficiently cooled.

With the MS18, with capable Samsung 30Ts, that is going to be an insane 6 min at the absolute max.

And with XHP70.2s, color rendition is crap, and tint is even worse.


Insane output for short period of time is good enough. At least Imalent is willing to come out these flashlights.

cool i'll see you when you get there

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DENGOH wrote:
SKV89 wrote:
I hope the R90TS will have active temperarure regulation for that price. My R90C output just continues to dimish and doesnt know how to go back up even when the light cooled down by the cold wind outdoors.
Looks like fw over protecting the leds. Someone need to highlight this to Imalent. It is no fun if user can’t indulge in turbo output again after short rest.

Well you actually could reactivate turbo. However I just want the flashlight to have active temperature regulation such that it is capable of finding a stable equilibrium output on its own

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R90TS, 80 minutes at 15,000 lumens. Incredible.

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SKV89 wrote:
DENGOH wrote:
SKV89 wrote:
I hope the R90TS will have active temperarure regulation for that price. My R90C output just continues to dimish and doesnt know how to go back up even when the light cooled down by the cold wind outdoors.
Looks like fw over protecting the leds. Someone need to highlight this to Imalent. It is no fun if user can’t indulge in turbo output again after short rest.

Well you actually could reactivate turbo. However I just want the flashlight to have active temperature regulation such that it is capable of finding a stable equilibrium output on its own


Active temperature regulation will be slow in response to external temperature change because the heat generated internally in turbo mode is very high and in very fast way.

I wish Imalent let user turn off temperature protection, or set a higher temperature limit for flasholics, let us control it ourselves. I used to feel the temperature with my hand. When it is very hot to hold, it is time to switch off and level down.

cool i'll see you when you get there

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the MS18 gets very hot Wink

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mattadores wrote:
Saul M wrote:
Holy crap these lights coming out of china are amazing. Acebeam looks to be falling behind with their x65.

So we finally have a high output thrower that goes beyond some of the oldschool incan and hid monsters, except in a state of the art lite package. Crazy.

But the r90c alone droped output very quickly after just 3-4mins, so is the new r90ts going to be the same or worse?

Just incase you weren’t aware:
Acebeam is a 100% based & manufactured Chinese company. (it can appear they’re US or other high end brand due to their extremely high prices)
Acebeam released the X70 last year which trumped the 53,000 lumen Imalent MS12 with 60,000 lumens
Acebeam also produced the X80 with 25,000 lumens then the X80GT with 32,500 lumens

Since the battle began, Imalent rushes to market first but Acebeam has always answered back shortly after with something that trumps the Imalent product.

Acebeam originally announced the X70 at 45,000 lumens here on BLF and then prior to the official launch the MS12 dropped with 53,000 lumens. Out of nowhere the Acebeam official launch was boosted to 60,000 lumens

That said, I will be shocked if they have a hidden warhead that eclipses 100,000 lumens. I’m also really excited though, because the only company willing to take lumens to these levels have been Imalent and Acebeam. The battle is what’s driven the insane output leaps in just a few years

Yes well aware of Acebeam being Chinese, which is what i meant, so many good lights are only possible being made from china, Made in USA? Not even remotely practical cost wise.

But Acebeam have neglected their high output thrower for too long. The x65 is old now & they should have put out something better.

Another thing that I hate about the lumen wars is they are all using cool white just to get higher lumens, You would think these two big company’s with such monster outputs could just sacrifice a small % output 7 give the option of neutral white.

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M4D M4X wrote:

the MS18 gets very hot Wink


I should have not worried about that. My two Imalent DT35 are so hot in 60 seconds and I don’t see any step down. Imalent engineers know it has to be very hot to get to real 100k lumens.

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DENGOH wrote:
I should have not worried about that. My two Imalent DT35 are so hot in 60 seconds and I don’t see any step down.

Keep waiting, and it will step down. You will see a blinking triangle sign on the oled display, and it will step down to something like 1500 lumens on the display.

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hIKARInoob wrote:
DENGOH wrote:
I should have not worried about that. My two Imalent DT35 are so hot in 60 seconds and I don’t see any step down.

Keep waiting, and it will step down. You will see a blinking triangle sign on the oled display, and it will step down to something like 1500 lumens on the display.


Now I remember seeing some warning sign, but I can’t remember was it battery low or temperature too high though. I switched them off when I saw the warning. It rarely occurred as I top up batteries in day time. I believe it will step down, looks like its step down temperature is above my tolerance.

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I imagine there is some temperature tolerances in whatever sensor they’re using (there certainly is in NarsilM drivers due to the ATtiny 25, 45 and 85 MCU’s). So the temperature the Imalents read could very well be 5 to 10 degrees higher or lower and what it actually is. Temperature step down in flashlights is usually not an exact science.

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Saul M wrote:
mattadores wrote:
Saul M wrote:
Holy crap these lights coming out of china are amazing. Acebeam looks to be falling behind with their x65.

So we finally have a high output thrower that goes beyond some of the oldschool incan and hid monsters, except in a state of the art lite package. Crazy.

But the r90c alone droped output very quickly after just 3-4mins, so is the new r90ts going to be the same or worse?

Just incase you weren’t aware:
Acebeam is a 100% based & manufactured Chinese company. (it can appear they’re US or other high end brand due to their extremely high prices)
Acebeam released the X70 last year which trumped the 53,000 lumen Imalent MS12 with 60,000 lumens
Acebeam also produced the X80 with 25,000 lumens then the X80GT with 32,500 lumens

Since the battle began, Imalent rushes to market first but Acebeam has always answered back shortly after with something that trumps the Imalent product.

Acebeam originally announced the X70 at 45,000 lumens here on BLF and then prior to the official launch the MS12 dropped with 53,000 lumens. Out of nowhere the Acebeam official launch was boosted to 60,000 lumens

That said, I will be shocked if they have a hidden warhead that eclipses 100,000 lumens. I’m also really excited though, because the only company willing to take lumens to these levels have been Imalent and Acebeam. The battle is what’s driven the insane output leaps in just a few years

Yes well aware of Acebeam being Chinese, which is what i meant, so many good lights are only possible being made from china, Made in USA? Not even remotely practical cost wise.

But Acebeam have neglected their high output thrower for too long. The x65 is old now & they should have put out something better.

Another thing that I hate about the lumen wars is they are all using cool white just to get higher lumens, You would think these two big company’s with such monster outputs could just sacrifice a small % output 7 give the option of neutral white.

agreed. CW 70.2s just wash everything out until it looks like a frozen wonderland

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The thing is, I think it’s not output they want to sacrifice.

It’s cost. CW LEDs not only are easily available, but are also cheaper.

Significantly cheaper as many lighting companies actually get rid of the light stocks, and the LEDs get reused somewhere else, like in flashlights.

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I think Imalent did rrlease a NW version of the MS12 afterwards. However, they probably wonder why it didnt sell as well as the CW version and decide to not make anymore NW versions. The problem is everyone who wants this light already bought the CW during initial release. They need to release both CW and NW simultaneously to see which is more preferred.

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