Which brand do you think is most durable? Your life depends on it and so does your family.

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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
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My very first non maglight purchase was a fenix PD25UE. As far as durability goes i watched a YT review where he turned it on, submerged it in a glass of water which he then froze solid and to break the ice off he ran it over with his car. I was impressed

None of those things should cause damage to any light that’s at least 1m waterproof. What would matter is if can you drop it a few feet on to the floor and not have electronics pop right off the driver board.

That ice is soaking up all the energy and none is transferred to the components inside the light. I don’t actually know if Fenix uses potted electronics on their larger li-ion lights but I can’t say I’ve heard that they do.’

Makes sense. But it sure looked cool! lol Facepalm

The light will still past those tests and I’ve heard good things about Fenix though, just that a lot of brands will too. Didn’t mean to seem like I’m ripping them if that’s how it came across.

lol no not at all, don’t worry! I knew it was an impractical test… lol it was just cool to watch it crushed by a car in a block of ice…. this is a totally impractical test but because it looks cool it must be worth something! Crazy

lol anything to help justify yet another light purchase to the misses!

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I’d go with Zebralight. I’ve never had one fail, and they’re solid with potted electronics.

I might also say Armytek, because they use massive amounts of metal. But although mine are fine, I’ve heard too many stories about them suddenly dying.

Though for reliability, I’d rather go with two budget lights than a single expensive light. The chances of both failing at the same time is a lot less than a single failure of an expensive brand.

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CREEXHP70LED wrote:
I am realizing now that posting this on a budget light forum, I am getting what I asked for.

lol you opened Pandora’s box!

I think most of us here will agree to one simple answer:

Write down every light suggested in this thread, buy them all and carry them all on you at once and you’ll never worry about durability EVER

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wle wrote:
uh, i usually have 20 or 30 other lights on deck or in the bullpen-at least at home
also in about 3 alternate locations – bedside, kitchen, downstairs

if in the car, 2 more

if on foot or bike, i have bike light, or bike light plus photon keychain light

one thing i might not do is depend on rechargeables that do not get used much
some of my car and home lights are either li primaries, or C cell, or AA, something like that

now you have to ask about b atteries — what batteries WOULD YOU TRUST YOUR LIFE TO????
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i have about 25 backups there too

wle

PRIMARIES ARE THE ONLY CELLS I TRUST MY LIFE ON. CR123A CELLS for life critical applications only.

I do have a few dozen AAA Energizer Ultimate Lithium primaries for my Surefire Titan and Surefire Titan Plus. I run Eneloop pros in them now.

I can also replace the (2) Li-ion cells out of my Olight M3XS-UT (and use (3) or (4) CR123A cells in it.)

In my Olight S1 Baton, I can replace the Li-ion and use (1) CR123A cell in it.

In my Olight S2 Baton, I can replace the Li-ion and use (2) CR123A cells in it.

If there were less than optimal other charging solutions.

Only my Olight X7 and my Emisar D4 XPL-HI have me locked down to 18650 Li-ion cells. All other lights I own run solely on CR123A cells. Due to the fact they are WML’s or hand held tactical lights.

 

 

 

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None of the above.

Magic word, REDUNDANCY

I carry TWO cheap Thorfire flashlights in the car in case one of them gets the gremlins. If it was possible, I would carry one that had a simple slide switch and put out 500 lumens.

At home, I have about 7 cheap flashlights.

When we get an EMP strike by invading hordes of humanoid tripedal hamsters, the simpler, the better.

Make your home or at least one room a Faraday cage.

You can actually do the entire house for about a grand…….IF you are building new.

Believe it or not, use paper backed aluminum sheet that can be found in industrial supply houses. Put it between the gyproc and the studs. Down side, the cell phones are useless.

Moses came from the mountaintop carrying a tablet. The Words were....WITH GREAT LUMENS COMES GREAT REPONSIBILITY.

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Tally-ho wrote:
More parts and more electronics = more failures. If your life depends on light, it’s not a matter of brand but more a matter of diversity : don’t put all your eggs in the same basket. Driver & LED, incandescent bulb, carbide lamp, kerosene lamp, oil lamp, candle, etc.

I never only have one high quality light on me so redundancy can be thrown out of this equation. I carry at least 3 Surefires on me when I am out, and sometimes the M3XS-UT depends on what I am doing. I am not looking for a single light to carry only one light. That is already a WML. And I carry others also a D4 and 2 more Surefires. If those 3 Surefires and the D4 all goes out, EMP hit.

 

 

 

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WalkIntoTheLight wrote:
I’d go with Zebralight. I’ve never had one fail, and they’re solid with potted electronics.

I might also say Armytek, because they use massive amounts of metal. But although mine are fine, I’ve heard too many stories about them suddenly dying.

Though for reliability, I’d rather go with two budget lights than a single expensive light. The chances of both failing at the same time is a lot less than a single failure of an expensive brand.

I like carrying several more expensive reliable brands at once, less chance of them failing then two cheapo lights.
Ordering an Elzetta Charlie finally after I thin the Hinderer knife herd. Unused knives are worthless like unused lights or any other tools.

 

 

 

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mattadores wrote:
CREEXHP70LED wrote:
I am realizing now that posting this on a budget light forum, I am getting what I asked for.

lol you opened Pandora’s box!

I think most of us here will agree to one simple answer:

Write down every light suggested in this thread, buy them all and carry them all on you at once and you’ll never worry about durability EVER

Hahahahahhaaha, OR just but Surefire Elzetta and Malkoff lights and never worry again. Not that I do my Surefires have been thrown 25 feet into the air to land on cement several times they work fine. Thumbs Up Beer

 

 

 

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Spartan wrote:
CREEXHP70LED wrote:
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None of the above.

Magic word, REDUNDANCY

I carry TWO cheap Thorfire flashlights in the car in case one of them gets the gremlins. If it was possible, I would carry one that had a simple slide switch and put out 500 lumens.

At home, I have about 7 cheap flashlights.

When we get an EMP strike by invading hordes of humanoid tripedal hamsters, the simpler, the better.

Make your home or at least one room a Faraday cage.

You can actually do the entire house for about a grand…….IF you are building new.

Believe it or not, use paper backed aluminum sheet that can be found in industrial supply houses. Put it between the gyproc and the studs. Down side, the cell phones are useless.

Thanks for the advice sir. I am well versed… DARPA. Wink

 

 

 

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Fenix is very durable and dependable.

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The good ones: Thrunite is a tank. Zebra is also reliable. And my M43s from Hank.

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All lights fail in ANY circumstance at ANYTIME. Break down in choice selection is the Engineering Design, build material components, quality control, pricing, etc…..

I have done some high impact, and other extreme tests on some of my reviews. I will give insights here.

Sofirn : GREAT

Maglite : WORTHLESS

Bushnell Pro : TOTAL JOKE

Wuben : GREAT

Klarus : GREAT

Thrunite : Decent

Olight : Decent

Fenix : Decent

Powertac : GREAT

SureFire : TOTAL JOKE ( friend gave me the Defender version) Cracked body one it hit hard concrete floor

Plus quite a others. Too long to list.

But to give you basic insight. Just because higher price point DOES NOT MEAN DURABILITY or BETTER QUALITY.

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When my daughter went to Uganda for 3 years I gave her a Zebralight H502 and a Fenix AA. Both held up under rough conditions so I would not have any hesitation in depending on them on myself for critical situations.

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i have dropped both my Jaxman triples many times on driveway and they keep on tarking

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CREEXHP70LED wrote:

Thanks for the advice sir. I am well versed… DARPA. Wink

Be careful…there are people who believe that peanut cost “just in case” are only for crazy preppers.

Nonsense, just because i have a 3-4 month supply of food without “stepping down” our eating habits….or designing a house that is as safe as possible without making it look like bunker….is just crazy talk.

Moses came from the mountaintop carrying a tablet. The Words were....WITH GREAT LUMENS COMES GREAT REPONSIBILITY.

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IMO, the only cells I trust to still have usable capacity left after 10 years are Eneloops 1900mAh and lithium AA/AAA primaries, along with 18650s being the prime choice for off grid use.
Actually, I would consider 18650s to be the prime choice for long term emergencies if you take care of them and have a capable charger along with a renewable power source(solar panels).

Why Eneloops? Well, Eneloops 1900mAh are absolute beasts, and have extremely low self discharge. I would trust my life with them, no problem, even after 10-13 years of storage.

Why lithium primaries AA/AAAs? As long as I don’t use them once, they will last 20 years. These are for absolute emergencies. I have 8x primary AAs in their package since I’ve bought them.

Why 18650s? They have high energy density, and most importantly, their charging efficiency is super high, above 99% even at high currents(2A+), and if charge to 4,0V, can last for a very long time.
That is very important if you don’t have access to a stable power source, so 18650s are prime when you have access to a renewable power source.

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If the zombie apocalypse comes then you don’t want to be hampered by ‘what battery is suitable’…..

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I am a longtime Malkoff fan and have never experienced any issues. All of Gene’s work is beyond compare in my book. I EDC an MDC daily and would gladly put my trust in any Malkoff in my collection.

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CREEXHP70LED wrote:
mattadores wrote:
CREEXHP70LED wrote:
I am realizing now that posting this on a budget light forum, I am getting what I asked for.

lol you opened Pandora’s box!

I think most of us here will agree to one simple answer:

Write down every light suggested in this thread, buy them all and carry them all on you at once and you’ll never worry about durability EVER

Hahahahahhaaha, OR just but Surefire Elzetta and Malkoff lights and never worry again. Not that I do my Surefires have been thrown 25 feet into the air to land on cement several times they work fine. Thumbs Up Beer

I still have a couple Surefires, (a G2 and a 6P) no doubt they are durable & simple, but in the case of your question redundancy is more important. A single flashlight can be lost or broken no mater of the brand. I did drop a Nitecore MT2A from 3 stories up on concrete while it was still on, and it stayed on & never broke. for flashlights any of the good quality time-tested light models by Fenix, Surefire, Streamlight, Nitecore, Olight, Pelican, Zebralight, Thrunite, Klarus, Jetbeam, Maglite, etc will do the job. I just make sure i have 2 or 3 lights in emergencies, long camping trips, or remote areas.

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mmalive wrote:
All lights fail in ANY circumstance at ANYTIME. Break down in choice selection is the Engineering Design, build material components, quality control, pricing, etc…..

I have done some high impact, and other extreme tests on some of my reviews. I will give insights here.

Sofirn : GREAT

Maglite : WORTHLESS

Bushnell Pro : TOTAL JOKE

Wuben : GREAT

Klarus : GREAT

Thrunite : Decent

Olight : Decent

Fenix : Decent

Powertac : GREAT

SureFire : TOTAL JOKE ( friend gave me the Defender version) Cracked body one it hit hard concrete floor

Plus quite a others. Too long to list.

But to give you basic insight. Just because higher price point DOES NOT MEAN DURABILITY or BETTER QUALITY.

Hahahhahhahaa Nice one with the surefire, See him throw it ? I would KILL all my China lights before I could ever kill a SF. Possibly a bad HT on the body.

 

 

 

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Retracted statement

 

 

 

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Spartan wrote:
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Thanks for the advice sir. I am well versed… DARPA. Wink

Be careful…there are people who believe that peanut cost “just in case” are only for crazy preppers.

Nonsense, just because i have a 3-4 month supply of food without “stepping down” our eating habits….or designing a house that is as safe as possible without making it look like bunker….is just crazy talk.

Once you bump up the food , I like high end water filters MSR and Kataydn water filters. Then boil for virus destruction if needed. If the micron of the filter is not small enough.

Other people will die let them if they are not intelligent enough.

 

 

 

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mmalive wrote:
All lights fail in ANY circumstance at ANYTIME. Break down in choice selection is the Engineering Design, build material components, quality control, pricing, etc…..

I have done some high impact, and other extreme tests on some of my reviews. I will give insights here.

Sofirn : GREAT

Maglite : WORTHLESS

Bushnell Pro : TOTAL JOKE

Wuben : GREAT

Klarus : GREAT

Thrunite : Decent

Olight : Decent

Fenix : Decent

Powertac : GREAT

SureFire : TOTAL JOKE ( friend gave me the Defender version) Cracked body one it hit hard concrete floor

Plus quite a others. Too long to list.

But to give you basic insight. Just because higher price point DOES NOT MEAN DURABILITY or BETTER QUALITY.

You did what to a Surefire?.
What version of the Defender.
I have eight versions of the Great Defender.
And maybe I don’t have ‘em all.
None of ‘em will ever hit concrete. They levitate.
They gave you a Chinese fake junk garbage.

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elbakan1 wrote:
mmalive wrote:
All lights fail in ANY circumstance at ANYTIME. Break down in choice selection is the Engineering Design, build material components, quality control, pricing, etc…..

I have done some high impact, and other extreme tests on some of my reviews. I will give insights here.

Sofirn : GREAT

Maglite : WORTHLESS

Bushnell Pro : TOTAL JOKE

Wuben : GREAT

Klarus : GREAT

Thrunite : Decent

Olight : Decent

Fenix : Decent

Powertac : GREAT

SureFire : TOTAL JOKE ( friend gave me the Defender version) Cracked body one it hit hard concrete floor

Plus quite a others. Too long to list.

But to give you basic insight. Just because higher price point DOES NOT MEAN DURABILITY or BETTER QUALITY.

You did what to a Surefire?.
What version of the Defender.
I have eight versions of the Great Defender.
And maybe I don’t have ‘em all.
None of ‘em will ever hit concrete. They levitate.
They gave you a Chinese fake junk garbage.

Similar to the one pictured. With Surefire prices they charge : Not standing up to my tests at at all. Total JOKE. I would buy Surefire for collecting only. Not field use.

Other brand stood up to better abusive/impact test conditions than Surefire. And at a FRACTION of the cost.

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mmalive wrote:
elbakan1 wrote:
mmalive wrote:
All lights fail in ANY circumstance at ANYTIME. Break down in choice selection is the Engineering Design, build material components, quality control, pricing, etc…..

I have done some high impact, and other extreme tests on some of my reviews. I will give insights here.

Sofirn : GREAT

Maglite : WORTHLESS

Bushnell Pro : TOTAL JOKE

Wuben : GREAT

Klarus : GREAT

Thrunite : Decent

Olight : Decent

Fenix : Decent

Powertac : GREAT

SureFire : TOTAL JOKE ( friend gave me the Defender version) Cracked body one it hit hard concrete floor

Plus quite a others. Too long to list.

But to give you basic insight. Just because higher price point DOES NOT MEAN DURABILITY or BETTER QUALITY.

You did what to a Surefire?.
What version of the Defender.
I have eight versions of the Great Defender.
And maybe I don’t have ‘em all.
None of ‘em will ever hit concrete. They levitate.
They gave you a Chinese fake junk garbage.

Similar to the one pictured. With Surefire prices they charge : Not standing up to my tests at at all. Total JOKE. I would buy Surefire for collecting only. Not field use.

Other brand stood up to better abusive/impact test conditions than Surefire. And at a FRACTION of the cost.

The United States Armed Forces are in dire need of your professional advice.

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elbakan1 wrote:
mmalive wrote:
elbakan1 wrote:
mmalive wrote:
All lights fail in ANY circumstance at ANYTIME. Break down in choice selection is the Engineering Design, build material components, quality control, pricing, etc…..

I have done some high impact, and other extreme tests on some of my reviews. I will give insights here.

Sofirn : GREAT

Maglite : WORTHLESS

Bushnell Pro : TOTAL JOKE

Wuben : GREAT

Klarus : GREAT

Thrunite : Decent

Olight : Decent

Fenix : Decent

Powertac : GREAT

SureFire : TOTAL JOKE ( friend gave me the Defender version) Cracked body one it hit hard concrete floor

Plus quite a others. Too long to list.

But to give you basic insight. Just because higher price point DOES NOT MEAN DURABILITY or BETTER QUALITY.

You did what to a Surefire?.
What version of the Defender.
I have eight versions of the Great Defender.
And maybe I don’t have ‘em all.
None of ‘em will ever hit concrete. They levitate.
They gave you a Chinese fake junk garbage.

Similar to the one pictured. With Surefire prices they charge : Not standing up to my tests at at all. Total JOKE. I would buy Surefire for collecting only. Not field use.

Other brand stood up to better abusive/impact test conditions than Surefire. And at a FRACTION of the cost.

The United States Armed Forces are in dire need of your professional advice.

Correct. My Dual Engineering Degrees would help them for sure.

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I’ve had 2 Surefires quit on me, both were the more modern LED variants.
I’ve had fenix quit on me. Not the eo1 though, it will never die.
I’ve had cheap ones quit, i’ve had expensive lights quit, the only real answer is to have many to choose from.
I have a few LED lensers now, while they are often not the first choice for flashaholics I find them tough and functional. One is rechargeable, one runs on easily sourced aaa batteries.

I had an HDS years ago which I stupidly sold, I wish I had kept it because that would be my answer for the one unkillable flashlight, the downside (for me) being that they ran on cr123. My preference these days is for AA, AAA or USB chargeable units.

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one thing here is, everyone has had something fail.
those are just isolated incidents.
what would matter is some huge survey of things that lasted, things that did not, why, and what the use and application was for all of it

also, usually in surveys like this, the complainers are more numerous than the satisfied users.

another thing is, i don;t really think quality translates directly to cost
and some results here bear that out

there are many reasons why things may cost a lot
it may be an attempt at quality that still failed
it may be looks
it may just be marketing – charge a high price and someone will believe expensive must be better

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I think you are right wle. Anything can & will fail sometimes. I have never had a Convoy or Maglite fail…. but this does not mean it could not happen. It surely could.

I have had 1 Nitecore fail, a bad electronic switch; but that does not mean Nitecore is unreliable. It was an isolated thing.

I think for me what I want in a last ditch SHTF light is simple. Manual switch & simple controls. AA compatibly would suit me also. Eneloops are hard to beat.

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I think for me what I want in a last ditch SHTF light is simple. Manual switch & simple controls. AA compatibly would suit me also. Eneloops are hard to beat.

If you want real unkillable light, get a Solarforce (Al) or NexTorch (nylon) with a real hotwire-bulb drop-in.

Won’t win any lumen-output awards, but it’ll outlast even the cockaroaches.

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