Which brand do you think is most durable? Your life depends on it and so does your family.

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Hmmm, I must be the only person that has ever had an issue with a Zebralight. I had an SC6330 have one of the 3 LEDs go dead, and I have an SC600 that the switch has given out. I probably own 10 or so Zebralights that see regular use, so I think that’s a pretty good track record. Definitely not going to bet my life on one though.

I also have a few Fenix lights around the house with failed or failing switches. Out of my 5 Fenix lights one has a failed switch (TK45), and two have switches that work intermittently (TK75 and TK41). Great lights that are generally pretty rugged, but I wouldn’t bet my life on one of these either.

Can’t say I’ve found a perfectly reliable light yet, and reliability seems to be going doing as lights get more bells and whistles (just more stuff to go wrong). I agree that Maglites are among the worst lights for reliability in my experience, despite having no bells and whistles!

Price definitely does not equal reliability. Some of the brands that have given me the best track record have been the “cheaper” ones. And because of their price I generally use them more and in rougher conditions. Solarforce, Emisar, and more recently Fireflies, have all been pretty good for me. Everything has its expiration date thought.

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The most reliable brand I own is Solarforce. Not one problem even after years of service.

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Same here. For many years I used them nightly at work as an aircraft mechanic. All outdoors, 10 hours a night, on my belt getting banged around the whole time, and many drops from height to the tarmac.

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I’ve never had reliability issues with Olight, I ran over my S1 baton last spring and that was after it laid in a puddle of water all day. It doesn’t look new any more but it still works perfectly. I do question what they were thinking with the designs/features of some of their lights like the (not very “tactical”) M2R, but that is more of a marketing issue than anything else.

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I don’t agree with the premise. Human low light vision is good enough for most situations I’d use a flashlight. Flashlights make poor weapons. If any tool is going to save my life, it’s a real weapon. Sure, I can “see” an attacker better with proper lighting, but if I’ve identified someone as an attacker in the first place, then what more is there to deliberate?

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koziy wrote:
I don’t agree with the premise. Human low light vision is good enough for most situations I’d use a flashlight. Flashlights make poor weapons. If any tool is going to save my life, it’s a real weapon. Sure, I can “see” an attacker better with proper lighting, but if I’ve identified someone as an attacker in the first place, then what more is there to deliberate?

Exactly, if you are going to use a firearm at night, a white light is a 100% must have. You have to ID the target 100% before you neutralize it.

 

 

 

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I’ve never had reliability issues with Olight, I ran over my S1 baton last spring and that was after it laid in a puddle of water all day. It doesn’t look new any more but it still works perfectly. I do question what they were thinking with the designs/features of some of their lights like the (not very “tactical”) M2R, but that is more of a marketing issue than anything else.

I haven’t had any fail either, except on purpose. I think that their tints have some to be desired, but Olight is the Chinese manufacturer, that is my favorite for build quality.

 

 

 

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I don’t agree with the premise. Human low light vision is good enough for most situations I’d use a flashlight. Flashlights make poor weapons. If any tool is going to save my life, it’s a real weapon. Sure, I can “see” an attacker better with proper lighting, but if I’ve identified someone as an attacker in the first place, then what more is there to deliberate?

Exactly, if you are going to use a firearm at night, a white light is a 100% must have. You have to ID the target 100% before you neutralize it.

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That’s the attitude that will get someone killed. The point is the flashlight *isn’t the weapon *(though it could be used as an impact weapon), primarily they are tools that can help make weapons more effective, in life or death struggles. Shooting at sounds and shadows is a recipe for disaster.

Human low light vision does not see color, or detail, for example. Shooting your 15 year old child thinking he/she is an intruder is the very point we’re discussing. Your family depends on your ability to assess the threat.

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koziy wrote:
I don’t agree with the premise. Human low light vision is good enough for most situations I’d use a flashlight. Flashlights make poor weapons. If any tool is going to save my life, it’s a real weapon. Sure, I can “see” an attacker better with proper lighting, but if I’ve identified someone as an attacker in the first place, then what more is there to deliberate?

Exactly, if you are going to use a firearm at night, a white light is a 100% must have. You have to ID the target 100% before you neutralize it.

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That’s the attitude that will get someone killed. The point is the flashlight *isn’t the weapon *(though it could be used as an impact weapon), primarily they are tools that can help make weapons more effective, in life or death struggles. Shooting at sounds and shadows is a recipe for disaster.

Human low light vision does not see color, or detail, for example. Shooting your 15 year old child thinking he/she is an intruder is the very point we’re discussing. Your family depends on your ability to assess the threat.


This. Very much this. Friendly fire is not something you should even entertain the risk of. You’re defending yourself and your own, not playing Doom on an HTC Vive.

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PlayDoh, please tell me you didn’t take this at face value o_O

Please…..do not interfere with my catch.

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For the last three months, I have come to realize how important a flashlight has become to my self defense.

Every morning, I jog various short distances to the local Starbucks then spend 20 minutes in the gym practicing striking techniques with my favorite weaponized flashlight. I think that now I have reached a point that I am capable of bringing down a man twice my size in a matter of seconds.

Running with the assumption lots of “self-defnse” videos and programs do that someone is going to stand right in front of you and let you hit them in the face. If someone’s that close to you might as well hand over what they want and use those cardio skills from the gym to get away as fast as possible.

If anything, the concern now is that I can restrain my abilities from causing seriously deep wounds or skull crushing head trauma.

That’s the same idea as “shooting in the leg to wound”. If you hit someone – even with bare fists! – you better be prepared to kill them and have legal cause to do so.

My life is now safely in the weaponization of the deadly Olight I1R.

I am prepared to kill. AND the bonus is that I can illuminate my handiwork.

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You know how we roll;

They go Low, we go Weird

Confuses the heck out of them sometimes.
And it’s fun.

Back to the new subject, I need to get an assortment of TIR’s to play around.

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Solarforce at the ready … trusty L2 equipped with a forward / momentary McClicky switch and Malkoff M61 1000 lumen P60 drop in attached to my 870 flashlight holder … Smile

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My Olight Batons have taken a lot of beating. No problems at all.
Mine on the other hand (Olight S15R) was very delicately EDC’d, but it eventually failed spectacularly and left me in the dark when I needed it. Simply wouldn’t turn on any more, tried different Li-Ion and alkaline and NiMH cells. Then I then started EDC’ing an identical backup S15R, which failed in the exact same way after not very much time. Extremely unimpressed with Olight’s quality. They started promoting them here and selling them for a dime-a-dozen a while back, which was undoubtedly possible only by sacrificing quality.

I’m surprised and saddened to hear they would sacrifice quality like that. It makes sense when they need a sales boost and to get their products moving but they charge A lot for the Olight brand and without quality to back it up they go nothin. Out of curiosity did you ever have it repaired/exchanged? I recently read that Olight is supposed to have a 7-year return policy?

I’m glad my S1R hasn’t crapped out on me like that. Been a solid and reliable EDC (not delicately) for the last 2+ years. It does have a flawed design with it’s two turbo modes (turbo=600 lumen turbo S=900 lumens) and the turbo S setting has never lasted longer than 5-10 seconds when it’s supposed to last 90 seconds but other than that It’s always worked well.
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PlayDoh, please tell me you didn’t take this at face value o_O

The technician can’t come out until next week to fix my sarcasm detector.

If you don’t know what that’s from and you like memes…. BEST MEME BOMB EVER!:

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Solarforce at the ready … trusty L2 equipped with a forward / momentary McClicky switch and Malkoff M61 1000 lumen P60 drop in attached to my 870 flashlight holder … Smile

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Me likey Big Smile

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I do question what they were thinking with the designs/features of some of their lights like the (not very “tactical”) M2R, but that is more of a marketing issue than anything else.

What don’t you like about the M2R? the only “tacticool” feature I can see it missing is the strike bezel?

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weklund wrote:
Solarforce at the ready … trusty L2 equipped with a forward / momentary McClicky switch and Malkoff M61 1000 lumen P60 drop in attached to my 870 flashlight holder … Smile



Resized those for ya. Images of this size are a pain on mobile.

Also what’s the name of this color scheme? Looks kinda garish, but if I cared about weapon looks, the PPS43 wouldn’t be my favourite historical weapon Wink

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PlayDoh, please tell me you didn’t take this at face value o_O

Please…..do not interfere with my catch.

BEST f’ing line of the year!

Thank you

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Jack Kellar wrote:
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Solarforce at the ready … trusty L2 equipped with a forward / momentary McClicky switch and Malkoff M61 1000 lumen P60 drop in attached to my 870 flashlight holder … Smile



Resized those for ya. Images of this size are a pain on mobile.

Also what’s the name of this color scheme? Looks kinda garish, but if I cared about weapon looks, the PPS43 wouldn’t be my favourite historical weapon Wink

Cerakote Burnt Bronze and Sniper Grey. Extended the life of my rusty ole 870. Good for another 50,000 miles.

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I’m still relatively new to the flashlight world. However, here’s my two pennies.

A friend’s family member lost a D cell Maglite for years. Looked and looked, couldn’t find it. One day, they had to get rid of a recliner. Living out in a small city, they decided to put it outside and burn it. By the time it was mostly ashes, they noticed something shiny. Sure enough, it was the Maglite. While the lens was partially melted, it turned on and provided light. Even with the incandescent bulb and batteries that were in it for years. Would I trust my life to a Maglite, no. But I’ve got 3 of them that I have in various places. Haven’t had one fail yet.

Another friend was once going on and on about how great one of the expensive flashlight makers were and that they did a test where they dropped the flashlight out of a helicopter and it still worked afterwards. My response to that was the following.

“So the helicopter pilot would land so that you can retrieve that light, right? I’d rather carry more than one, reasonable costing, light.”

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That’d be a great commercial:

You can be set on fire and your Maglite will still work!

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After that, they contacted the company and Maglite wanted them to send it to them and then replace it, but they lost it again. Facepalm maybe someone threw it away.

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Arrrrgh.

Kinda like when you have a killer winter, like when we had Snowzilla, Snowmageddon, and/or Snowpocalypse, and the critters like possums, raccoons, etc., all survive the subzero temps, metric tons of snow, all sorts of fiendish weather that makes anyone want to shoot Old Man Winter right in the face… and come springtime, the critter gets smooshed crossing the street.

That both sucks and blows at the same time.

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JackJax wrote:
I’m still relatively new to the flashlight world. However, here’s my two pennies.

A friend’s family member lost a D cell Maglite for years. Looked and looked, couldn’t find it. One day, they had to get rid of a recliner. Living out in a small city, they decided to put it outside and burn it. By the time it was mostly ashes, they noticed something shiny. Sure enough, it was the Maglite. While the lens was partially melted, it turned on and provided light. Even with the incandescent bulb and batteries that were in it for years. Would I trust my life to a Maglite, no. But I’ve got 3 of them that I have in various places. Haven’t had one fail yet.

Another friend was once going on and on about how great one of the expensive flashlight makers were and that they did a test where they dropped the flashlight out of a helicopter and it still worked afterwards. My response to that was the following.

“So the helicopter pilot would land so that you can retrieve that light, right? I’d rather carry more than one, reasonable costing, light.”

That was an Elzetta Dustin dropped from the helicopter, he missed the concrete the first drop, so they went back up and dropped it again. LOL!

 

 

 

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weklund wrote:
Solarforce at the ready … trusty L2 equipped with a forward / momentary McClicky switch and Malkoff M61 1000 lumen P60 drop in attached to my 870 flashlight holder … Smile

!https://i.postimg.cc/BvtSJ2xn/009.jpg!

I like it. How many rounds does it hold with the mag extender now ?

 

 

 

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Last time I dropped a flashlight from a tall building, i heard a thump and a loud scream.

I didn’t know flashlights had feelings…

Moses came from the mountaintop carrying a tablet. The Words were....WITH GREAT LUMENS COMES GREAT REPONSIBILITY.

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Spartan wrote:
Last time I dropped a flashlight from a tall building, i heard a thump and a loud scream.

I didn’t know flashlights had feelings…


They do, and it’s called “painful” Silly

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I do question what they were thinking with the designs/features of some of their lights like the (not very “tactical”) M2R, but that is more of a marketing issue than anything else.

What don’t you like about the M2R? the only “tacticool” feature I can see it missing is the strike bezel?

Imagen you find yourself in that “Oooh $h!t” moment and you pull your light from your pocket and you find you left it in E-lockout. Time yourself to see how long it takes to get it into the fight.

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I do question what they were thinking with the designs/features of some of their lights like the (not very “tactical”) M2R, but that is more of a marketing issue than anything else.

What don’t you like about the M2R? the only “tacticool” feature I can see it missing is the strike bezel?

Imagen you find yourself in that “Oooh $h!t” moment and you pull your light from your pocket and you find you left it in E-lockout. Time yourself to see how long it takes to get it into the fight.

lol I agree the electronic lock-out is a double edged sword. had the light once deplete fully in my pocket because it turned on and I never noticed. Then after using the E-lockout I also realized that it really defeats the purpose of the tactical tail switch and all you gain from instant turbo/strobe is lost on the 3 second E-lockout unlocking.

That being said, is the main issue you have with it that it has a side switch and isn’t a tail switch only?

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