[Big news, see OP!] Sofirn SP10S "BLF edition" with Andúril 2

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Yep, I am interested, depending on what the features are. Only problem is, I want it now! Smile

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Interested!

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TK, or I, can't do much without a driver. So the driver is the first thing we need developed, and we need a fairly good electronics designer for this.

Of course loneoceans with a lume1 variant would be great for this.

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Need to have the switch on a right angle board. There is actually a little slot for the switch board in the body, at least as designed.

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Factory driver.

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There's some good news - Sofirn contacted me to order the stock SP10S to have as reference. I find this to be a step in the right direction, so hoping the ball will start rolling on this project! I also recently picked up a ThruNite T10T V2 on the special deal offered on Amazon, which is a similar AA light in that it takes any AA size battery, e-switch with a decent UI, similar design.

The UI of the T10T V2 is very similar to Anduril/Narsil:

From OFF:

  • click ON to last used level
  • click/hold to moon
  • dbl click to turbo/max

From ON:

  • click for OFF
  • click/hold for cycling through levels (though it's only 2 levels to cycle thru -- wut were they think'n?)
  • dbl click to turbo/max
  • if at max, dbl click to strobe

I prefer the click/hold to switch brightness levels, and the 1 click to turn it OFF. This matches up so well with Anduril in non-ramping mode. The current SP10S uses click to cycle thru levels, click/hold to turn OFF, though the SP10S has more levels/modes.

 

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Great news!

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I’m interested!

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Tom E wrote:
There’s some good news – … SP10S… T10T

thanks for the update

if the design is still open for suggestions,

I would prefer a tailswitch, so SF12 instead of SP10

And AA Tool Ti instead of T10T

imagine a titanium host with a tailswitch, running Anduril on an Eneloop.. now THAT is an unmet need.

for those who dont yet know, Anduril has not been implemented in AA voltage…

while Im wishing, I want the UI to support a stable, regulated firefly output..

word is Anduril cant do sublumen without flicker.. so it cant compete w V10r, V11r, D10, which not only Ramp on AA, they go way sub lumen… if Anduril is to compete for a full featured EDC, it needs to step it up with some sublumens on primaries… Wink

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jon_slider wrote:
word is Anduril cant do sublumen without flicker..

I wasn’t aware of this. Where has it been discussed?
My FW3A certainly does sublumen without a flicker…
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Scallywag wrote:
My FW3A certainly does sublumen without a flicker…

pleased to become better informed
link to light meter readings?

found one reference to flicker, suggests you are correct that anduril can do sublumen around 0.6 without flicker, and 0.2 with flicker:

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-Default ramp floor is 3/150 and lower modes are not guaranteed to work. At 1/150 the minimum output is about 0.2 lumens but
may exhibit some visible flicker.

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Hhhmm. I've used the lowest PWM value of 1 in Narsil for a long time now, never noticed flicker, but then again at my age my sense of smell and taste are down, so my eyes aren't much better.

Bout the tail switch, sorry, but I'm not a fan of e-tail switches, so not a fan of the FW3A & company lights. Just don't like twisting my wrist around to have a comfortable position on the switch, again might be an age thing. I have the  titanium T10T V2 here, and it's an awesome light, pineapple style knurling. The switch on it is not my preference: can't feel it, just blends in with the body - actually the SP10S switch is probably better. The T10T V2 also pops off the clip on me sometimes, but the tail design for the lanyard is one of the better designs.

The big challenge is the boost driver, might have to be buck too. Handling 3 types of cells with LVP, etc. Now if we could get the schematic, BOM, and firmware (maybe not necessary) for the current SP10S driver, we could probably adapt it to an ATMEL. Dunno if we could do smooth ramping, but at least could do Anduril with level modes. If we could get one of the new gen ATMEL's, we could keep the footprint small and go with a simple 3 pin or so pogo adapter for downloading the firmware.

Ohhh, btw, I have no idea if the aesthetic/mechanical design is open and up for discussion. I was think'n it would be the same basic design as the current SP10S. Actually I really like the SP10S look overall. I'd rather not see the smooth head, and a SS bezel would be a nice touch, but the body and tail with the knurling looks great to me.

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Yeh, I got Narsim in my ‘minis and ‘micros, moonlight set to 1, and I can’t detect any flicker.

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Flicker is a premium feature. Otherwise known as candle mode. Wink Wink

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Lightbringer wrote:
Yeh, I got Narsim in my ‘minis and ‘micros, moonlight set to 1, and I can’t detect any flicker.

thanks
how about if you wave the light up and down.. can you see the dots?

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Gnope. Both ‘mini and ‘micro, both on level 1, shake up’n‘down, nothing, swing beam across the ceiling as fast as possible, still nothing.

Hell, I’d even swear they’re linear, not pwmed.

 

Addendum, even in my cellphone’s camera (live, not recorded), no pwm-lines.

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jon_slider wrote:
Scallywag wrote:
My FW3A certainly does sublumen without a flicker…

pleased to become better informed
link to light meter readings?

found one reference to flicker, suggests you are correct that anduril can do sublumen around 0.6 without flicker, and 0.2 with flicker:

maukka wrote:
-Default ramp floor is 3/150 and lower modes are not guaranteed to work. At 1/150 the minimum output is about 0.2 lumens but
may exhibit some visible flicker.

I think that’s a limitation of the KR4 in particular
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jon_slider]I would prefer a tailswitch, so SF12 instead of SP10[quote]

Anduril does not work with a conventional mechanical tail switch. Lights like the FW3A or Noctigon KR4 have an additional electric path designed in to allow a momentary electronic button to be used in the tail.

However, Convoy may soon be introducing a version of their AA/14500 light with a clone of Bistro, wbich is one of the most versatile mechanical switch firmwares available. It is a bit larger of a light than most AA models, though.

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word is Anduril cant do sublumen without flicker.. so it cant compete w V10r, V11r, D10, which not only Ramp on AA, they go way sub lumen… if Anduril is to compete for a full featured EDC, it needs to step it up with some sublumens on primaries… Wink

That’s actually due to the hardware, not Anduril. On a 1×7135 driver, Anduril’s minimum output should be less than 0.5 lumens, but not all 7135 chips seem to be quite stable at those low currents. My ROT66, for example, has a subtle flicker at the lowest output the driver can supply. It’s slower than PWM, and actually, I’m not very bothered by it.

It definitely would be great, though, to have Anduril in an AA light capable of firefly level outputs.

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it seems hard to shoot a video to show how the candle mode in Anduril looks like perfectly. Anyone knows?

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Barry0892 wrote:
it seems hard to shoot a video to show how the candle mode in Anduril looks like perfectly. Anyone knows?

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If possible, it would be great if the driver had the flashing pad things like on the Emisar lights. It’s great to be able to easily keep the firmware up to date.

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Agreed - hope the pogo pin flashpad thing is high on the priority list. It really should be/has to be.Therefore the re-programming pin access is important for a couple possible reasons:

  • they probably would use a small footprint MCU to save space
  • the smaller the light, the more difficult it could be to get access to the top side of the driver
  • firmware tends to be evolutionary
  • not sure if anyone has done BLF firmware supporting 2 different battery types; NiMh and Li-Ion, so not sure if detection can be implemented. I see on other AA boost designs that LVP is supported only for the 14500, not the lower voltage batts, so could be a technical limitation, maybe?

 

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Tom E wrote:
I see on other AA boost designs that LVP is supported only for the 14500, not the lower voltage batts, so could be a technical limitation, maybe?

Most boost chips only operate down to 0.9V (typical) or 0.7V. So LVP is probably only needed for the 14500.

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