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Thank you, @Rayoui! That’s good news. I hope I end up liking the sw45k more than you, and I hope we both thoroughly enjoy our new sw35!

I know this question has been asked plenty of times on Reddit and here as well, and I have been researching it thoroughly all last night, but I wanted to get y’alls opinion on it too:

If I were to get a KR1, which emitter do you think would serve me best for that host? Also, which one do y’all personally prefer? It wouldn’t be EDC, it would sit on the piece of furniture near the door that I use to take the dog out at night. 100 meters would be a common distance I would want to light up, but the ability to hit a good deal further than that too would be nice. I live out in the country and there’s a lot of critters out here. The only ones I really worry about with my small dog are owls, but I also like to see all the wildlife that always graces us with their presence at night. We have a few foxes, skunks, armadillos, possums, raccoons, deer, coyotes, Chuck-will’s-widow (my absolute favorite bird), as well as some wild cats of assorted sizes, from bobcat on up to mountain lion, although I’ve never personally seen a cougar. They’ve come around over the years though.

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If I were to get a KR1, which emitter do you think would serve me best for that host? Also, which one do y’all personally prefer?

From what I’ve read, the W1 Osram emitter has the longest throw, and that’s what I picked for my KR1. The W2 is a bit brighter and has a wider, more useable hot spot but runs much hotter and doesn’t throw quite as far.

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PineyTinecones wrote:
Thank you, @Rayoui! That’s good news. I hope I end up liking the sw45k more than you, and I hope we both thoroughly enjoy our new sw35!

I know this question has been asked plenty of times on Reddit and here as well, and I have been researching it thoroughly all last night, but I wanted to get y’alls opinion on it too:

If I were to get a KR1, which emitter do you think would serve me best for that host? Also, which one do y’all personally prefer? It wouldn’t be EDC, it would sit on the piece of furniture near the door that I use to take the dog out at night. 100 meters would be a common distance I would want to light up, but the ability to hit a good deal further than that too would be nice. I live out in the country and there’s a lot of critters out here. The only ones I really worry about with my small dog are owls, but I also like to see all the wildlife that always graces us with their presence at night. We have a few foxes, skunks, armadillos, possums, raccoons, deer, coyotes, Chuck-will’s-widow (my absolute favorite bird), as well as some wild cats of assorted sizes, from bobcat on up to mountain lion, although I’ve never personally seen a cougar. They’ve come around over the years though.

To your earlier question about the batteries: I only mostly use my 21700 light’s and buy way more of those batteries so I’m not too well-versed on the 18650 options. But, for my 4 emitter Fireflies PL47G2 (also 21700 yet super tiny) I use a 10A battery. I tried the Samsung 40T which is 25-ish Amps and that one tuned the LED’s purple which is very bad for the emitters. But that same battery on my 7-emitter Fireflies E07 works perfectly fine. So I’d say for a 4-emitter 219B light, stick to 10A. for the 7-8 Emitter 219B lights, the 20-25Amp batteries are usually what will give you full power. One of the things I’m not sure about is how Hank sets his up his lights so it’s entirely possible that 10A will work across the board based on what I think I’m hearing others say, but maybe not so much once the battery starts to discharge.

Now as for your KR1, I don’t have one and I haven’t seen one of these smaller throwers in person with an Osram, but I do know it gets much wider than the same emitter in a much throwier host like the K1. So maybe the Osram would be perfect for what you want. I was gonna suggest the SBT90.2 in that host. I don’t know if Hank does it but I’ve seen a few people have it so maybe he does. It gets hot and steps down fast, but for short bursts, you will love it for spotting animals at night and things like that. Maybe there are more efficient LED’s that throw almost as good and will do what you want, not too sure honestly. But I do know that the SBT90 is monster and would be pretty fun for what you want it for. I love going outside and blasting my SBT90.2 lights.

Maybe a D18 would work even better for outside late-night spotting, it’s a wall of light and should still work great at 100 yards or so. And it might come in handy in may other situations too, but thats a significantly larger light with 3 batteries.

Well let me not further complicate things for you, best of luck. I hope you find something that adds some fun to your walks.

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jon_slider wrote:

photos are not all set to the exact same white balance

ultimately, each person has to buy and try each LED for themselves

about pinkness.. it all depends what it is compared to
the sw45k is definitely the Most Pink, but the SW40 also looks slightly pink, particularly compared to low cri cool white
to me the sw35 has zero pink component, it is one of the reasons I am not a fan..
Im totally biased towards the sw45k, because it is cool enough for daytime EDC

at night, warmer colors work better.. whether that is 4000, or 3500, or 3000k, depends on what other light source is in the environment, that is influencing the white balance of the observers brain.

I use 3000k incandescent house lights.. what I like at night will be different than what I like during daylight hours

about pink.. at night my sw45k does not look pink, because it is cooler than my ambient light, and that blue tone is more noticeable than any pink tint

conversely, during the day, I Do see the pink tint, when looking at the beam on a white piece of paper.. this is because daylight is greener..

to really quantify Tint, and pinkness, we have to look at spectrum tests that include the numerical Tint value for DUV.. basically, the LED with tint below BBL will have negative DUV.. most LEDs have tint above BBL and this will be positive DUV.. the sw45k is the main exception.. it is one of the most strongly negative DUV LEDs I know of

please dont buy an LED because you think it will look as pink as my photos.. those are just how the camera sees the comparison to the other lights in the photo

when using an LED light as a single source, the brain adapts its interpretation of light to make it look white.. pink is a figment of the visualization.. LOL

Your analysis on tints and high CRI is definitely top notch! You explain it better than almost all of us do.

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Hank Wang wrote:
Please order D4V2 TI on the site, and let us know the order number, so that we can send the sandblasted version. SST-20 should have slightly longer throw than the XP-L HI version.

Hi Hank
This afternoon I ordered a D4V2 Brass with the Nichia 219B 3500K
Send a e-mail that I want the Antique Brass Version.

Is this still the correct way?
Will I get a confirmation mail that I will get the Antique Brass?

Best regards

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Keep in mind Hank suddenly has over twice the normal workload, thanks to 219b. Give him time.

Normally, email the request first, when he says it’s ok, then you order from the site and immediately send a reply saying that you’ve done so.

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JFJinCo, thank you for the scoop on the Osrams.

@Lojik, how do you carry your 21700’s? EDCing a 21700 in general seems pretty cumbersome, especially something in copper. Do you use cargo pockets? A pouch? Holster? Fanny pack? I’m curious. I don’t know anything about this SBT90.2! I’m gonna have to look it up. The D18 looks incredible, and is absolutely something I’m going to have to get eventually. And I think your spot on, that it would serve me well for lots of purposes. I don’t mind a big light. If it’s not something I expect to EDC, then as long as it fits in a backpack or cargo pockets I’m into it. I was using 2D and 3C maglites not too many trips around the sun ago. Speaking of, I think it’s weird that there’s so few larger elongated light options these days, like 2× 21700 end on end. Stuff like that. But with all that said, I’m probably not going to get a D18 yet. The KR1 comes in at about half the price, and I’ve already spent so much on the D4V2 and the DT8.

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So lemme see if I’m in the ballpark with the emitter options for the KR1:

W1- throwiest option, only cool white, tighter hotspot than W2
W2- brighter, with likely a more functionally spread out hotspot than the W1, but faster battery drain
SST-20- pretty throwy, good balance of cri and power, good tint at higher power, bad (green) at lower power
SST-40- ?
XP-L Hi-?

Not sure how the last two compare to the rest. I have read that the XP-L Hi have better tints than the SST-20 and they have a good color range, but aren’t as throwy and aren’t hi-cri except the warmest one. And I think the SST-40 is what’s in my Warrior Mini, but in a gross 6500k. If I were to use the KR1 most often for shorter durations, and almost always at turbo or high, for the purposes listed in my previous post, am I correct in thinking that an SST-20 would serve me well? Or should I consider the XP-L Hi? Or just go with the Osram for MAXIMUM THROOOOW?

Thanks!

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Mark M, jon_slider’s explanations and pictures have been clutch in helping me pick what emitters I want in my first Hank lights! I just wanted to second what you said. I know nothing, but I do know that that s*** has been extremely helpful to this noob.

DrDevil, I was initially going to get the sandblasted Ti D4V2, but I emailed him first and he said that he was out, but that a reseller jlhawaii808 had them in stock. I don’t know if he’s out of the antique brass or not, but I probably would have emailed him first. Btw, it looks like jlhawaii808 does have antique brass D4V2 in stock.

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PineyTinecones wrote:
@Lojik, how do you carry your 21700’s? EDCing a 21700 in general seems pretty cumbersome, especially something in copper. Do you use cargo pockets? A pouch? Holster? Fanny pack? I’m curious.

Most will say that a 21700 Light is too large to EDC. I’d say it depends on what you’re used to carrying. I don’t like the idea of getting used to carrying the absolute tiniest lights. You’re naturally gonna think everything is too big. I prefer a light that will work for a while usefully. My Nichia lights don’t need ultra high discharge batteries so I can take advantage of the larger capacity batteries. Also, I have been in situations where if I’d have had a smaller true EDC light, it just wouldn’t have cut mustard. So I really am used to the size. When I got the Copper E07. It took like a day to get used to, but when I went back and picked up my other lights, they felt way too light. Now I really love the weight of my Copper E07. And actually, I think of it as an enhanced roll of pennies for protection. You never know when someone might need a little fist kiss. A punch holding that light would pack a wallop. Just normal for a flashlight to weight this to me now. Also, I just pocket it, I usually have a few packet so that’s where it goes.

And FYI, the Pl47g2 21700 light is somehow still shorter than the D4v2.and other 18650 light, actually even some 18350 headlamps. It’s a great light. Used to EDC it but missed that higher output and went back to more full sized lights.

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Frostcream wrote:
Keep in mind Hank suddenly has over twice the normal workload, thanks to 219b. Give him time.

Normally, email the request first, when he says it’s ok, then you order from the site and immediately send a reply saying that you’ve done so.

That´s a good advice Thumbs Up
I will keep that in mind – Thank you

In my case everything is fine. Meanwhile I received the confirmation mail Cool

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Excellent!

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Good deal, DrDevil! I’m curious how quickly that tarnish will rub off in a pocket or hand, because I think that will look great! Like, for example, if the really raised portions of the knurling are brassy and the lower space between them is black.

Can someone help me make the choice between going Osram W1 or W2 vs SST-20 in 4000k for the KR1? I would be mostly using it in high, so the poor tint of the SST-20’s at lower levels wouldn’t be as much of a deterrent. But if my other flashlights are already both nice, hi-cri lights, should I just with the Osram for maximum throw and to juxtapose the KR1 with my new 219b lights? Or go with the SST-20 and have nothing but hi-cri goodness?

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I went ahead and went with the SST-20 4000k for the KR1. Decided to stay on theme of high-cri goodness. I couldn’t find almost anything on the web as far as photos of beam shots from this set up go. I hope I’m happy with it! Im sure I will be.

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PineyTinecones wrote:
JFJinCo, thank you for the scoop on the Osrams.

@Lojik, how do you carry your 21700’s? EDCing a 21700 in general seems pretty cumbersome, especially something in copper. Do you use cargo pockets? A pouch? Holster? Fanny pack? I’m curious. I don’t know anything about this SBT90.2! I’m gonna have to look it up. The D18 looks incredible, and is absolutely something I’m going to have to get eventually. And I think your spot on, that it would serve me well for lots of purposes. I don’t mind a big light. If it’s not something I expect to EDC, then as long as it fits in a backpack or cargo pockets I’m into it. I was using 2D and 3C maglites not too many trips around the sun ago. Speaking of, I think it’s weird that there’s so few larger elongated light options these days, like 2× 21700 end on end. Stuff like that. But with all that said, I’m probably not going to get a D18 yet. The KR1 comes in at about half the price, and I’ve already spent so much on the D4V2 and the DT8.

——————————————————

So lemme see if I’m in the ballpark with the emitter options for the KR1:

W1- throwiest option, only cool white, tighter hotspot than W2
W2- brighter, with likely a more functionally spread out hotspot than the W1, but faster battery drain
SST-20- pretty throwy, good balance of cri and power, good tint at higher power, bad (green) at lower power
SST-40- ?
XP-L Hi-?

Not sure how the last two compare to the rest. I have read that the XP-L Hi have better tints than the SST-20 and they have a good color range, but aren’t as throwy and aren’t hi-cri except the warmest one. And I think the SST-40 is what’s in my Warrior Mini, but in a gross 6500k. If I were to use the KR1 most often for shorter durations, and almost always at turbo or high, for the purposes listed in my previous post, am I correct in thinking that an SST-20 would serve me well? Or should I consider the XP-L Hi? Or just go with the Osram for MAXIMUM THROOOOW?

Thanks!

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Mark M, jon_slider’s explanations and pictures have been clutch in helping me pick what emitters I want in my first Hank lights! I just wanted to second what you said. I know nothing, but I do know that that s*** has been extremely helpful to this noob.

DrDevil, I was initially going to get the sandblasted Ti D4V2, but I emailed him first and he said that he was out, but that a reseller jlhawaii808 had them in stock. I don’t know if he’s out of the antique brass or not, but I probably would have emailed him first. Btw, it looks like jlhawaii808 does have antique brass D4V2 in stock.

I’ve done some beamshots with the KR1 with Osram NM1 (W1), KR1 with Osram PM1 (W2), and KR1 with XPL-Hi 8B (2850k 80CRI)

Longer distance beamshots (~150 meters / 400 feet for opposite building)
1) Noctigon KR1 (Osram NM1 W1) beamshot:

2) Noctigon KR1 (Osram PM1 W2) beamshot:

3) Noctigon KR1 (XPL-Hi 8B 2850k) beamshot:


side-by-side beamshots (shorter distance ~18m / 60ft from opposite wall)
a) KR1 (Osram NM1 W1) [left] vs KR1 (Osram PM1 W2) [right]

b) KR1 (Osram PM1 W2) [left] vs KR1 (XPL-Hi 8B) [right]

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Hank I’m torn between the k1 and the k9.3.Any advice on which i.I should purchase

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Oooooh I may have gotten really lucky! According to this post on r/Hanklights, the current bin of SST-20 4000k that Hank has is FD2, which should have a much better tint than the recent bad batch. Fingers crossed! Could I really have gotten lucky enough to start collecting Hanklights right when he gets a big batch of 219b in, and when he gets a good batch of SST-20 4000k??

Btw, thanks for those beam shots, d_t_a!

Edit: Hank did confirm that it’s FD2 bins that are in stock currently, if that helps anyone else make a tough emitter decision Thumbs Up

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:
Hank, can I order D4V2 with 219B SW45K as a mule with 8 LEDs? If possible, how much is the surcharge? Thank you. Smile

So was this possible?

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qandeel wrote:
Lux-Perpetua wrote:
Hank, can I order D4V2 with 219B SW45K as a mule with 8 LEDs? If possible, how much is the surcharge? Thank you. :)
So was this possible?

بدقسمتي سان مون کي جواب نه مليو آهي. Sad

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qandeel wrote:
Lux-Perpetua wrote:
Hank, can I order D4V2 with 219B SW45K as a mule with 8 LEDs? If possible, how much is the surcharge? Thank you. Smile
So was this possible?

بدقسمتي سان مون کي جواب نه مليو آهي. Sad

I had to translate that. Thank you Big Smile

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What did the translation say?

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Sorry for posting in Sindhi. I wrote: Unfortunately, I did not get any answer.

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Anybody know what Hank’s Order to ship times are doing at the moment, all my lights from him have been 2 days between, am up to 4 almost 5 now and haven’t seen anything. We’re making him busy I suspect?

D4V2 - XP-L HI V2 5D 4000K
D4SV2 - SW35 & W2
D18 - 2700K/4000K outer and W2 inner
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I ordered a D4v2 a couple hours after the 219b was listed (about six days ago) and the order is still “processing”. Just have to be patient; I’m sure he’s busy with the influx of orders since the availability of the 219b.

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We have one item in the UK warehouse (actually it’s for one Germany customer, but it did not pass the Germany customs due to Brexit).

D4V2, cyan, raised switch retaining ring, XP-L HI 4000K, V2 5D, with extra 10623 frosted optic, the original price is $60.67, now, half of the price, $30, for UK customers only.

https://intl-outdoor.com, Noctigon, Emisar, flashlight components.

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Hank Wang wrote:
We have one item in the UK warehouse (actually it’s for one Germany customer, but it did not pass the Germany customs due to Brexit).

D4V2, cyan, raised switch retaining ring, XP-L HI 4000K, V2 5D, with extra 10623 frosted optic, the original price is $60.67, now, half of the price, $30, for UK customers only.


Yes please!

How do I purchase this? I can’t find the UK warehouse on the website.

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Hank, is there any chance to offer more (even exotic) emitter options in the future? I am pretty sure than many of your customers have become loyal completists/collectors of your lights.

My wish list...(to be concluded)

Emitter options:

  • Nichia E21A 1800K R9080 or R9050...this is as close to real candlelight as it gets
  • Samsung LH351D (2700K - 6500K, 70CRI - 90CRI)...whereas 90CRI will most likely be favored by most people
  • Luminus SFT40 6500K 70CRI (or even 5000K once available)...would work great in KR1 or K1
  • Cree XP-L2 4000K - 5000K...yes, it has horrible tintshift but it's still one of the most efficient emitters and underneath a frosted 10623 or 10624 the artifacts should disappear
  • Cree XHP50.3 HI 3V...once it becomes available
  • Cree XP-P...a good opponent to Osram's KW CSLNM1.TG but hopefully available in warmer tints (< 6000K)

Accessories/Miscellaneous:

  • How about shipping your lights with an Andúril 2 UI diagram, printed on a card or sheet of paper? I made a general one and some customized ones for Sofirn. I could easily derive one that reflects any of your customizations (e.g. direct access to Turbo from Advanced UI). Or you could simply put it onto your website next to the nice pictures of the light. Wink Let me know if you are interested.

For reference...the custom-made Andúril 2 UI diagram for Sofirn's SP36 (Pro) / Q8 (Pro) models

  • Optional greenish AR-coated lenses (to lower the Duv value and get a more rosy-white tint on LEDs with tendency to greenish-white above the BBL)

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TMaxxJJ wrote:
Hank Wang wrote:
We have one item in the UK warehouse (actually it's for one Germany customer, but it did not pass the Germany customs due to Brexit). D4V2, cyan, raised switch retaining ring, XP-L HI 4000K, V2 5D, with extra 10623 frosted optic, the original price is $60.67, now, half of the price, $30, for UK customers only.
Yes please! How do I purchase this? I can’t find the UK warehouse on the website.

Maybe I should apply for UK citizenship, lol. Too many good bargain deals from Hank these days but I live in the wrong country. Big Smile

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:

TMaxxJJ wrote:
Hank Wang wrote:
We have one item in the UK warehouse (actually it’s for one Germany customer, but it did not pass the Germany customs due to Brexit). D4V2, cyan, raised switch retaining ring, XP-L HI 4000K, V2 5D, with extra 10623 frosted optic, the original price is $60.67, now, half of the price, $30, for UK customers only.
Yes please! How do I purchase this? I can’t find the UK warehouse on the website.

Maybe I should apply for UK citizenship, lol. Too many good bargain deals from Hank these days but I live in the wrong country. Big Smile


Haha, there’s only been three. But the previous two were too cool for my tastes!
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I want a hank-light so bad but don’t know what to get or where to start! I don’t ‘need’ anything I have over 50 lights but I just want something good. Is the D4V2 with nichia 219b 3000k the way to go? I’d even get it in brass, maybe copper. What’s got a real nice tint & is just an awesome Hank light? I bought 2 dive lights last night so I’m on a binge.

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Is Hank still doing backlit switches on Al D4V2’s? I don’t see the option on the website. I’m assuming you request by email?

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