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What do y’all think about a D18 in SST-20 4000K with floody optic? Should I just stick with it? Do you think I’ll like it and find good use for it? Or would I just be settling? I can’t find anything online about the floody version. Doesn’t seem like anyone has one, and if they do, they haven’t put forth any reviews or opinions on it.

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It’s hard for us to answer a question about what you will like. Don’t pull the trigger on something just cos you want it now. Only you can answer these questions really and see how they match up to your use case for the light.

I have floody optics in mine on the 2700/4000K emitters and the middle W2’s have normal optics. This way at low ramp i get a nice light tint that fills out in front of me but when I ramp up the W2’s take over and can throw as far as possible.

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It’s hard for us to answer a question about what you will like. Don’t pull the trigger on something just cos you want it now. Only you can answer these questions really and see how they match up to your use case for the light.

I have floody optics in mine on the 2700/4000K emitters and the middle W2’s have normal optics. This way at low ramp i get a nice light tint that fills out in front of me but when I ramp up the W2’s take over and can throw as far as possible.

I understand. Context matters. I just don’t know what to expect of a D18 with default optics, so I can’t extrapolate what I don’t know about it to make a reasonable assumption of what to expect from different optics. I just wish there was like, one review, or one video, or even one beam shot photo I could find that would give me some indication. It’s not that I’m certain I will inherently prefer a non-floody optic, I just really don’t know. I wish I knew what kind of throw it would still have.

Thank you for the feedback. And your setup/configuration sounds really cool.

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Anyone have any 26650 suggestions for my new D4SV2 with 4x W2’s? I assume a continuous discharge rate of 20A is probably a safe number. I can’t go with the trusty name brand Japanese companies like I would for 18650’s because, well, they don’t make 26650’s. Looking on Parametrek (which is an amazing resource if there happens to be anyone out there that’s not familiar with it), it seems like my only good options are this Vapcell 5300mAh 20A cell at Liion Wholesale, or this Shockli 5500mAh 20A cell from Mountain Electronics, or this Orbtronic 5750mAh 22A cell from Orbtronic . I’m worried the Shockli will be too wide, and I can’t find a “maximum cell diameter” spec on any Hanklights (maybe y’all can point me in the right direction to find those specs), and “Orbtronic” isn’t in my trusted group of battery supply stores (18650BatteryStore, Illumn, LiionWholesale, and Mtn Electronics), so I’m less inclined to order from there.

So I guess I’ve more or less answered my own question, or at least narrowed it down, but I would still like y’alls blessing/assurance that the “Vapcell G53” 5300mAh 20A 26650 is an appropriate cell for this light. And I still want to know what y’all personally use, because that could very likely sway my decision.

Edit: After reading more, I believe the Shockli will fit, and I might be better off with it or the Orbtronic (which could very well be the same cell as the Shockli, with a different wrap) rather than the Vapcell.

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Great news!! Hank just said the clear optics should be arriving and back in stock in one week! I asked him if he would wait to make my D18 until those come in. I was afraid it was going to be a lot longer than that.

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PineyTinecones wrote:
What do y’all think about a D18 in SST-20 4000K with floody optic? Should I just stick with it? Do you think I’ll like it and find good use for it? Or would I just be settling? I can’t find anything online about the floody version. Doesn’t seem like anyone has one, and if they do, they haven’t put forth any reviews or opinions on it.

 

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I did message Hank the other day and he said themregular optic will be back In stock ASAP. He did not indicate if it was a week, two weeks , a month.. but Im Waiting for that to be in stock before I order my first d18.. I think I would not like to be limited to a flood set of optics on a throw-ey light.. 

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PineyTinecones wrote:
Anyone have any 26650 suggestions for my new D4SV2 with 4x W2’s? I assume a continuous discharge rate of 20A is probably a safe number. I can’t go with the trusty name brand Japanese companies like I would for 18650’s because, well, they don’t make 26650’s. Looking on "Parametrek":http://batteries.parametrek.com/index.html (which is an amazing resource if there happens to be anyone out there that’s not familiar with it), it seems like my only good options are "this Vapcell 5300mAh 20A cell at Liion Wholesale":https://liionwholesale.com/products/vapcell-26650-20a-flat-top-5300mah-b..., or "this Shockli 5500mAh 20A cell from Mountain Electronics":https://www.mtnelectronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_i..., or "this Orbtronic 5750mAh 22A cell from Orbtronic":https://www.orbtronic.com/26650-battery-5750mah-30a-high-drain-imr-li-io... . I’m worried the Shockli will be too wide, and I can’t find a “maximum cell diameter” spec on any Hanklights (maybe y’all can point me in the right direction to find those specs), and “Orbtronic” isn’t in my trusted group of battery supply stores (18650BatteryStore, Illumn, LiionWholesale, and Mtn Electronics), so I’m less inclined to order from there. So I guess I’ve more or less answered my own question, or at least narrowed it down, but I would still like y’alls blessing/assurance that the “Vapcell G53” 5300mAh 20A 26650 is an appropriate cell for this light. And I still want to know what y’all personally use, because that could very likely sway my decision. Edit: After reading more, I believe the Shockli will fit, and I might be better off with it or the Orbtronic (which could very well be the same cell as the Shockli, with a different wrap) rather than the Vapcell.

 

i run a molicel p26a 18650 in mine a lot of the time,with an adapter. The rest of the time I run the efest purple 4200mah 26650. They both work well.

https://www.18650batterystore.com/collections/26650-batteries/products/efest-26650-4200mah

I've read a lot of people hating on efest, but I've been vaping there batteries for 7-8 years and I've used these 26650's for over a year and have had no issues, and I feel they work very well.

 

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I’ve read a lot of people hating on efest, but I’ve been vaping there batteries for 7-8 years

And you’re still alive?! Shocked
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I could not agree more with Lojik. The bad thing is that these are a generation old now and when they are gone, they will be gone! My personal stock started at around 75 of the sw-45k’s years ago, now I am down to 7 or 8, they only went in to special builds and someday, depending upon tech, they may get moved to another light host. They really are that special.

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FW1A, LH351D 4000k (second favorite)
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I've read a lot of people hating on efest, but I've been vaping there batteries for 7-8 years
And you’re still alive?! :O

 

i think so?

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TMaxxJJ wrote:
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I’ve read a lot of people hating on efest, but I’ve been vaping there batteries for 7-8 years
And you’re still alive?! Shocked

 


i think so?


I’ve heard the gasses from lithium batteries is pretty nasty! Ughh
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TMaxxJJ wrote:
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I've read a lot of people hating on efest, but I've been vaping there batteries for 7-8 years
And you’re still alive?! :O

 

i think so?

I’ve heard the gasses from lithium batteries is pretty nasty! :UGHH:

 

yea, I didn't know if it was knock on vaping or on efest. But I figured probably both. Anyway, I switched over to molicel and vtc6's about a year ago, maybe less. A little after I got into flashlights.

 

althoygh off gassing off batteries would explain a lot of my mental shortcomings!

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 my last order from Hank (June 6) took 5 days to ship to me, 7 days total from ordering. 

the order im waiting on now has been 19 days, and 14 days of shipping, still not here. So wierd how that happens. Although the package has been "sitting" in the US airport (customs probably) for the last 11 days, and I finally got the update today that it's thinking about moving. I was getting a little worried though.. 

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And you’re still alive?! Shocked
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ArtieT59 wrote:

TMaxxJJ wrote:
ArtieT59 wrote:

TMaxxJJ wrote:
ArtieT59 wrote:
I’ve read a lot of people hating on efest, but I’ve been vaping there batteries for 7-8 years
And you’re still alive?! Shocked

 


i think so?


I’ve heard the gasses from lithium batteries is pretty nasty! Ughh

 


yea, I didn’t know if it was knock on vaping or on efest. But I figured probably both. Anyway, I switched over to molicel and vtc6’s about a year ago, maybe less. A little after I got into flashlights.


 


althoygh off gassing off batteries would explain a lot of my mental shortcomings!


I was only joking. I presumed you weren’t actually vaping the batteries! Haha
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ArtieT59 wrote:

TMaxxJJ wrote:
ArtieT59 wrote:

TMaxxJJ wrote:
ArtieT59 wrote:
I’ve read a lot of people hating on efest, but I’ve been vaping there batteries for 7-8 years
And you’re still alive?! Shocked

 


i think so?


I’ve heard the gasses from lithium batteries is pretty nasty! Ughh

 


yea, I didn’t know if it was knock on vaping or on efest. But I figured probably both. Anyway, I switched over to molicel and vtc6’s about a year ago, maybe less. A little after I got into flashlights.


 


althoygh off gassing off batteries would explain a lot of my mental shortcomings!

It was neither. It was a classic dad-joke. You said that you had been vaping their batteries for 7-8 years. When taken literally for the sake of a good pun, it reads as though you had actually been inhaling the gases of batteries. Terrible humor, but that’s what’s so great about it. That’s my kind of humor.

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I just found out that the Panasonic/Sanyo NCR18650GA’s (flat tops) will work in the D18! Pretty cool. I do have a question though: I know that the CDR of 10A that the GA’s have should work fine, but do you think they will hold the light back at all? Will I get any better performance with 30Q’s and their CDR of 15A? The light will have 18x SST-20 4000k, if that makes a difference.

I’m asking because I’m about to place a big battery order. I like the extra capacity of the GA’s (500 extra mAh is nothing to scoff at), and I don’t think any of my other lights I ordered need more than 10A. So it’d be cool if I could just order a bunch of GA’s and be done with it.

Thanks!

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PineyTinecones wrote:
Anyone have any 26650 suggestions for my new D4SV2 with 4x W2’s?

I have used both of these with my D4SV2, W2.

  • Shockli 26650 5500mAh 20A / 30A
  • Vapcell G53 26650 5300mAh 20A

Both work great, but the Shockli is probably the better choice.

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See if the community can answer your question first? Hank is flat out flowing 219bs! Silly

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What is the lumen and and candela of a D4v2 and D4Sv2 with the Nichia 219B, R9080, 3500K?

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I’d guess compared to sst-20 4000k it would be about 15% less lumens and 20% less candela. On a quad with clear optics you would still get a decent output though. Someone might have a more scientific answer!

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I’d guess compared to sst-20 4000k it would be about 15% less lumens and 20% less candela. On a quad with clear optics you would still get a decent output though. Someone might have a more scientific answer!

I thought that too. I know the SST20 4000k makes 10,000 Lumen in the D18. So I asked Hank how much the 219B’s will put out in a D18. His answer was10,000 Lumen. So 15% is probably a bit too high. The 219B’s would need to only put out 8500 Lumen in the D18 for that to be the case.

Fireflies uses both SST20 and 219B in their lights, so we can see from their specs that the difference in the same hosts is minimal. The PL47g2 is essentially the D4v2, and Fireflies gets that to like 2500 Lumen in 219B’s. The D4v2 in SST20 does 3000 Lumen. Maybe there is a difference in how hard each company runs their smaller lights but they are pretty similar Lumen-wise all things considered, especially the higher you run them. SST20 a bit brighter, but not by too much. The bigger difference would be in the beam profiles. The SST20 is thowier while the 219B is more floody. So even though they are similar Lumen, they will still feel pretty different from each other, especially in color.

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I’d guess compared to sst-20 4000k it would be about 15% less lumens and 20% less candela. On a quad with clear optics you would still get a decent output though. Someone might have a more scientific answer!

I thought that too. I know the SST20 4000k makes 10,000 Lumen in the D18. So I asked Hank how much the 219B’s will put out in a D18. His answer was10,000 Lumen. So 15% is probably a bit too high. The 219B’s would need to only put out 8500 Lumen in the D18 for that to be the case.

Fireflies uses both SST20 and 219B in their lights, so we can see from their specs that the difference in the same hosts is minimal. The PL47g2 is essentially the D4v2, and Fireflies gets that to like 2500 Lumen in 219B’s. The D4v2 in SST20 does 3000 Lumen. Maybe there is a difference in how hard each company runs their smaller lights but they are pretty similar Lumen-wise all things considered, especially the higher you run them. SST20 a bit brighter, but not by too much. The bigger difference would be in the beam profiles. The SST20 is thowier while the 219B is more floody. So even though they are similar Lumen, they will still feel pretty different from each other, especially in color.

8500 is more realistic.

I did this mod when the D18 first came out and got 7,714lm with slightly used 30Q’s and i’m pretty sure that was measured after about 2-3s. Dont expect 10,000lm

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What do you think about 9A+noFET and SST20 (2700/4000K) in D4V2? If there is such an option. Is it better to use the classic 5A or 7.5A?

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What do you think about 9A+noFET and SST20 (2700/4000K) in D4V2? If there is such an option. Is it better to use the classic 5A or 7.5A?

I dont know for sure but you might be able to just resistor swap a newer generation driver and make your 5A/7.5A driver and have a 9A+FET. For this size host 9A might as well be FET cause they are both too hot so in reality I dont see much purpose in going past the standard 5-7.5A. Only reason it exists is just to keep the LEDs from dying for a niche case.

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What do you think about 9A+noFET and SST20 (2700/4000K) in D4V2? If there is such an option. Is it better to use the classic 5A or 7.5A?

I See a lot of people doing the 9a + FET on Reddit. It gives you a higher regulation which there really isn't a downside with sst20. Id go with it. 

 

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I'd guess compared to sst-20 4000k it would be about 15% less lumens and 20% less candela. On a quad with clear optics you would still get a decent output though. Someone might have a more scientific answer!
I thought that too. I know the SST20 4000k makes 10,000 Lumen in the D18. So I asked Hank how much the 219B’s will put out in a D18. His answer was10,000 Lumen. So 15% is probably a bit too high. The 219B’s would need to only put out 8500 Lumen in the D18 for that to be the case. Fireflies uses both SST20 and 219B in their lights, so we can see from their specs that the difference in the same hosts is minimal. The PL47g2 is essentially the D4v2, and Fireflies gets that to like 2500 Lumen in 219B’s. The D4v2 in SST20 does 3000 Lumen. Maybe there is a difference in how hard each company runs their smaller lights but they are pretty similar Lumen-wise all things considered, especially the higher you run them. SST20 a bit brighter, but not by too much. The bigger difference would be in the beam profiles. The SST20 is thowier while the 219B is more floody. So even though they are similar Lumen, they will still feel pretty different from each other, especially in color.

 

I think it is more common on multi emitter lights for sst20 4000k and below to get do in the 500-550lumen ranger per emitter. I don't know anything about the 219b's, but everything I've read they put out less lumens than even the 4000k or 2700k sst20. I would think 10,000 lumens is high for 219b or really even for sst20 high cri. I could be wrong. 

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8500 is more realistic.

That’s mostly what I’m prepping myself to expect. But in doing some math my expectations unwillingly swell slightly. I know someone asked Hank about the 219B setup and apparently he has some tweaks that people have reported push the 219B’s well and is great.

So in just doing some numbers that other lights do is how I can see it happening.

Pl47g2 – 4 emitters – 2500 Lumen = 625 Lumen per LED.

EO7x Pro – 7 emitters – 3600 Lumen = 515 Lumen per LED

E12R – 12 Emitters – 6800 Lumen = 567 Lumen per LED

If I just estimate 500 Lumen per emitter on the D18, it still comes out to 9000 Lumen. And if I estimate it closer to what other lights are getting roughly, it exceeds 10,000 Lumen.

As I said, I’m still tempering my expectations. But I am doing a bit of math and some wishful thinking. Now if there are reasons I don’t know about that would prohibit 18 219B’s from hitting 10,000 Lumen, like limitations with the internals and drivers, then that’s a different story. I don’t know about internals like that, but my math def has me hoping for the best.

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