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I think Hank should release a “s” version of this exact light (DM11s), that has a reflector, and sbt90.2 LED 


LOL

Dumb question: is this the same optic used in the manker MC13? I love the beam profile but the output feels weak with the W1 when using outdoors. I’d rather sacrifice some throw for double the lumens, SFT40 would be perfect.

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will34 wrote:
ArtieT59 wrote:

I think Hank should release a “s” version of this exact light (DM11s), that has a reflector, and sbt90.2 LED 


LOL

Dumb question: is this the same optic used in the manker MC13? I love the beam profile but the output feels weak with the W1 when using outdoors. I’d rather sacrifice some throw for double the lumens, SFT40 would be perfect.

I believe it’s the same. At the very least, it’s in the same optic family. The angle may or may not be slightly different.

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Somewhere between 2mm² and 4mm² is the Goldilocks zone for this sized optic for use as a mid range thrower imo. I swapped a boost HX into my X1L and its a great ‘scanning’ pocket thrower. The loss in throw I would exchange any day for the lumens / beam angle. If the Yinding round 5050 didn’t have terrible tint, that would be the undisputed winner for nearly all throwers between 25 and 50mm bezel. The W1 for me drops out of favor right around 38-40mm, unless an aspheric/fresnel is being used with zero spill.

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Somewhere between 2mm² and 4mm² is the Goldilocks zone for this sized optic for use as a mid range thrower imo. I swapped a boost HX into my X1L and its a great 'scanning' pocket thrower. The loss in throw I would exchange any day for the lumens / beam angle. If the Yinding round 5050 didn't have terrible tint, that would be the undisputed winner for nearly all throwers between 25 and 50mm bezel. The W1 for me drops out of favor right around 38-40mm, unless an aspheric/fresnel is being used with zero spill.

 

great info! Thanks for that, as I have been eyeing the X1L for about a month now, wondering how it'd be with a CULPM1 in it. I'm also thinking about putting a CULPM1 in my mc13

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My X1L is currently in the ‘broken down’ pile. I hated the UI soooo much I just couldn’t stand it — I destroyed the driver trying to mod it. That and I think the best intensity numbers I got were like 110 or 115kcd iirc with the HL so i couldn’t justify it over my convoy m2 w1 (103kcd t.o.) with a forward clicky and one mode ui (how I like my throwers). The DM11 gets everything right here for me except its a side switch. I just have a really hard time with those ergonomically. Ymmv

I’m holding out for the ‘KR4S’ still. That is a 21700 KR4 with D4S optic. ‘KR1S’ could be the natural single emitter twin.

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JaredM wrote:
I’m holding out for the ‘KR4S’ still. That is a 21700 KR4 with D4S optic. ‘KR1S’ could be the natural single emitter twin.

Please hank. I beg you

I’d buy that. It would basically look like a slightly upsized KR1 right? KR1 is possibly the most attractive and most ergonomic light I’ve ever used.

I’d also buy a 21700 light that’s between D4V2 and D4SV2 in size, like Sofirn IF22A, just with all the Hank features.

It might be time for me to make another light design that Hank will never produce, haha.

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My X1L is currently in the 'broken down' pile. I hated the UI soooo much I just couldn't stand it -- I destroyed the driver trying to mod it. That and I think the best intensity numbers I got were like 110 or 115kcd iirc with the HL so i couldn't justify it over my convoy m2 w1 (103kcd t.o.) with a forward clicky and one mode ui (how I like my throwers). The DM11 gets everything right here for me except its a side switch. I just have a really hard time with those ergonomically. Ymmv I'm holding out for the 'KR4S' still. That is a 21700 KR4 with D4S optic. 'KR1S' could be the natural single emitter twin. Please hank. I beg you <3

 

Ah, well good info again.. I forgot that the X1l has a different UI. I also would love this KR4s you speak of - the LEDIL optic is one of my favorite (and i think a Hank community favorite too), and I would be even more excited about the KR1s. I like the ergo's of the KR1 a ton. I have been rebuilding D1, and the KR1 still has an advantage, smaller lights like these, for me, need tail switches. One reason ive never really enjoyed the D4v2 - too small with a side switch.

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Lets talk about new emitter options, shall we?

I’ll start, Nichia 519A R9080 that can be run at XPL-HI currents…

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Lets talk about new emitter options, shall we?

This looked very promising and exciting, until I used a DUV calculator to get the DUV from the X and Y values and saw that it is above BBL.

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Lets talk about new emitter options, shall we?

This looked very promising and exciting, until I used a DUV calculator to get the DUV from the X and Y values and saw that it is above BBL.
 

How much? 

BTW not all is looking for pink beam. Sometimes (many times) neutral is what we need and to be run at 5Amp

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pol77 wrote:
id30209 wrote:

Lets talk about new emitter options, shall we?

This looked very promising and exciting, until I used a DUV calculator to get the DUV from the X and Y values and saw that it is above BBL.

True but not much (0.0015~0.0020), and for B35As Nichia reports turned out to be sligtly higher than what I got in diffusing optics at low currents, furthermore it decreases significantly at high currents (I binned about 10 of them), note that 519A and B35A uses the same chip.

The 519A also has the particularity of having the phosphor encapsulated in a glass lens with a silicone dome on top, dedoming it should be very straightforward, probably just by popping off the dome, which should lower the duv and significantly increase throw. This being (hopefully) much simpler to do reliably compared to other LEDs (all silicone) I would imagine that Hank could consider offering them domed and dedomed.

That said a ”k” bin bellow the BBL would be the best, I wonder if with enough order quantity one can request a custom chromacity.

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ArtieT59 wrote:

I think Hank should release a “s” version of this exact light (DM11s), that has a reflector, and sbt90.2 LED 


LOL

Well, that would be another light I’d be required to buy.

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trakcon wrote:
ArtieT59 wrote:

I think Hank should release a "s" version of this exact light (DM11s), that has a reflector, and sbt90.2 LED 

LOL

Well, that would be another light I'd be required to buy.

 

i think a lot of people would buy it. And it may not be too much difficulty for him if he only offered 1 emitter option in the reflector version- the sbt90.2. That would mean only 1 reflector design would be necessary. Of course it would need a different driver than "regular dm11." but, maybe K1 driver could be used?

 

I don't know, something worth bringing up to Hank. 

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519A is pretty exciting – like an LH351D with better color.

It’s the B35A I’m excited about seeing in production lights though, in large part because it forces the use of a boost driver. I still hope Hank decides some day to produce a slim (18650, but slimmer than the D4) single-emitter light with the B35A. I’d probably need several of those (don’t worry, I’m definitely buying a DM11).

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Any new news Hank?

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How large does the DM11 b35am beam look compared to the DM11 sft40 beam?

Any chance we could see a picture of the 2 hotspots next to each other?

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How large does the DM11 b35am beam look compared to the DM11 sft40 beam?

Any chance we could see a picture of the 2 hotspots next to each other?


Yes, please refer to this image.

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Thanks Hank! So the Nichia is the only one using the medium optic? Or the 35HI as well?

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That's too aggressive floody optic for B35. It's almost the same size as XHP35, almost. no need for a flood like that.

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Thanks Hank! So the Nichia is the only one using the medium optic? Or the 35HI as well?

Nichia B35AM is the only one using medium optic, others are all with the small angle optics.

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As I understand it, the narrow optic results in artifacts with the B35A.

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zak.wilson wrote:
As I understand it, the narrow optic results in artifacts with the B35A.

That is my understanding as well. Hank, it would be good to see the B35AM with narrow, just so why know why it requires medium optic.

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As I understand it, the narrow optic results in artifacts with the B35A.

That is my understanding as well. Hank, it would be good to see the B35AM with narrow, just so why know why it requires medium optic.

The B35AM beam is actually very even and smooth. The reason why we choose the medium optic for B35 is because the beam with narrow optic is with a black spot in the center, which does not look good.

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I know you can’t truly judge from side-by-side shots but that B35AM’s tint looks terrific!

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I wish there was an in-between option for B35AM, narrow optic with very light frosting or something. That hot spot is much larger than I expected, I was also hoping for around XHP35 HI size. I do really want to try the B35AM LED, but I don’t know if I will have a use for it with that floody beam profile.

I wonder if the narrow optic with DC Fix would have more throw and solve the dark spot problem, or if it would basically come out to the same as medium optic? Hank, if I buy B35AM DM11 could I also purchase an additional narrow optic? Might be worth trying.

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mbp wrote:
I wish there was an in-between option for B35AM, narrow optic with very light frosting or something. That hot spot is much larger than I expected, I was also hoping for around XHP35 HI size. I do really want to try the B35AM LED, but I don’t know if I will have a use for it with that floody beam profile.

I wonder if the narrow optic with DC Fix would have more throw and solve the dark spot problem, or if it would basically come out to the same as medium optic? Hank, if I buy B35AM DM11 could I also purchase an additional narrow optic? Might be worth trying.

+1 for option to purchase with second narrow optic.

I know it wouldn’t work with Aux LEDs, but how would the beam be in a orange peel reflector? Any dark spots?

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The B35AM beam is actually very even and smooth. The reason why we choose the medium optic for B35 is because the beam with narrow optic is with a black spot in the center, which does not look good.
 

 

I had the same issue with one of my builds. It turned out the emitter was sitting too low. 

After I sanded optic legs it turned out perfect. 

All emitters you offer are a bit taller than B35 thus not causing imperfect focus. If you adjust TIR properly you could have even better throw results.

Anyhow I'll order mine with a clear optic if that's ok with you, adjusting it later on.

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The B35AM beam is actually very even and smooth. The reason why we choose the medium optic for B35 is because the beam with narrow optic is with a black spot in the center, which does not look good.
 

 


I had the same issue with one of my builds. It turned out the emitter was sitting too low. 


After I sanded optic legs it turned out perfect. 


All emitters you offer are a bit taller than B35 thus not causing imperfect focus. If you adjust TIR properly you could have even better throw results.


Anyhow I’ll order mine with a clear optic if that’s ok with you, adjusting it later on.

You nailed it. I would recommend counter boring the optic leg holes on the b35am mcpcb to lower the optic. The emission surface height difference between the sft40 and b35am is greater than 0.5mm I bet (don’t have the datasheets pulled up right now). We would never think to not tune the height of a reflector, but we seem to all just forget the concept when it comes to TIRs.
It’s easy, especially with flat emitters, once you’ve dialed in one.. keep the relative height the same vs the top of the LED.

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Hank Wang wrote:
The B35AM beam is actually very even and smooth. The reason why we choose the medium optic for B35 is because the beam with narrow optic is with a black spot in the center, which does not look good.
 

 


I had the same issue with one of my builds. It turned out the emitter was sitting too low. 


After I sanded optic legs it turned out perfect. 


All emitters you offer are a bit taller than B35 thus not causing imperfect focus. If you adjust TIR properly you could have even better throw results.


Anyhow I’ll order mine with a clear optic if that’s ok with you, adjusting it later on.

This is great news and a perfect solution. I hope it is resolved directly from stock light.

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Similar observation with the Olga RS (clear TIR) and B35A, if the optic is sitting higher than the MCPCB (like on an aux board) the spot has a darker yellow spot in the middle, if it sits directly on the MCPCB the darker spot is gone.

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