Noctigon DM11 high CRI middle range thrower available

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Ordered DM11 B35AM 4500 k. Can’t wait !

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thefreeman wrote:
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I think I’m in agreement with this. I have lights that are supposed to be 90+ CRI, but they have a green tint that I don’t like. I sure would like to see more info on these new B35AM LEDs. Hank showed a picture of the 4000K B35AM showing a nice pink tint. I saw a post on Reddit claiming to be this light with the same 4000K B35AM LED and it looked quite yellow.
JaredM wrote:
3500 and 4500K tints are historically more rosy than 4000k for Nichia. My bet is that the 4000K is neutral duv, maybe even a smidge above BBL. 500K above or below likely is below the BBL though. This isn’t for sure, but a strong pattern I’ve observed over many years here. I’ll say if anybody is worried about yellow or green beams, a 4500K nichia will be your best bet. If you like warm-neutral, 3500K is gorgeous in my experience.

Eurekatronix had color reports from Nichia for their batches, don’t know if Hanks has them too, I ploted them here :

Data (If = 1.4A):

My results of a few I have :

And tint shift vs current :

My results have a lower duv than theirs (considering it’s at 1.4A)

Assuming Hank’s batches are similar, at low current, low CCTs are slightly below the BBL, high CCTs slightly above, but all pretty close overall. High current should bring rosy tints in all of them.


I’m probably going to email hank, but what out of all of Hanks choices would be the rosiest?

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Hello Hank Wang,
How can I see order tracking?
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_I enter my account, Order # 1000028997 11/18/2021 Complete,
clik: View Order,
clik: “TRACK YOUR ORDER
I don’t see a working tracking number.

click: “51875110895362” It doesn’t work.

Clck: http://track.4px.com/old?locale=en_US:
I see: HTTP Status 500 – Request processing failed; nested exception is java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Locale part “US:” contains invalid characters_

Sorry for my bad English
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pepinfaxera wrote:
Hello Hank Wang,
How can I see order tracking?
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_I enter my account, Order # 1000028997 11/18/2021 Complete,
clik: View Order,
clik: “TRACK YOUR ORDER
I don’t see a working tracking number.

click: “51875110895362” It doesn’t work.

Clck: http://track.4px.com/old?locale=en_US:
I see: HTTP Status 500 – Request processing failed; nested exception is java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Locale part “US:” contains invalid characters_

Please track from here, but for the after sale service, it’s better to send us an email
http://track.4px.com/queryBatch/51875110895362?locale=en_US

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zak.wilson wrote:
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I wondered whether the XHP35 Option is High-CRI. The Zebralight SC64w has it in 80+ (not sure if there are higher options available).
My 3000K K1 purchased last year tests at 83 CRI.

 

i still have a handful of xhp35 HI 3000k 90CRI from Kaidoman. They are the most nuetral warm white I've seen. They are NOT green, their not necessarily rosy. But they're big advantage is even when comparing them to 219b sw30, they do not look green (sw30 is very rosy). So the xhp35 HI 3000k 90 cri will be going in my dm11. It's a lower output, but awesome tint.

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i still have a handful of xhp35 HI 3000k 90CRI from Kaidoman. They are the most nuetral warm white I’ve seen. They are NOT green, their not necessarily rosy. But they’re big advantage is even when comparing them to 219b sw30, they do not look green (sw30 is very rosy). So the xhp35 HI 3000k 90 cri will be going in my dm11. It’s a lower output, but awesome tint.

Here’s what I tested. X-Rite i1Pro, medium mode, center spot diffused with DC fix.

Flashlight LED CCT Duv CRI Ra CRI R9 CRI R12
Noctigon K1 XHP35 HI 3000K 3571 -0.000418 83.2 15.0 67.3

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Looks like a good compromise. I wonder how the output compares to the B35AR amp for amp.

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JaredM wrote:
Looks like a good compromise. I wonder how the output compares to the B35AR amp for amp.

I am sure xhp35 will be substantially brighter given the low R9 value.

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zak.wilson wrote:
ArtieT59 wrote:

i still have a handful of xhp35 HI 3000k 90CRI from Kaidoman. They are the most nuetral warm white I've seen. They are NOT green, their not necessarily rosy. But they're big advantage is even when comparing them to 219b sw30, they do not look green (sw30 is very rosy). So the xhp35 HI 3000k 90 cri will be going in my dm11. It's a lower output, but awesome tint.

Here's what I tested. X-Rite i1Pro, medium mode, center spot diffused with DC fix. table(table#posts). | Flashlight | LED | CCT | Duv | CRI Ra | CRI R9 | CRI R12 | | Noctigon K1 | XHP35 HI 3000K | 3571 | -0.000418 | 83.2 | 15.0 | 67.3 |

 

thanks for this info!

[FLF] Five Light Friday https://budgetlightforum.com/node/78749

Check out some of my new lights (picture heavy) and quick first impressions of them here: https://budgetlightforum.com/node/77180

My Sft40 beamshots / comparison thread: https://budgetlightforum.com/node/78100

The BLF GT with SFT40 (2300lm, 2700m+ @ 30 seconds!)
https://budgetlightforum.com/node/79561

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Pavlo wrote:
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Looks like a good compromise. I wonder how the output compares to the B35AR amp for amp.

I am sure xhp35 will be substantially brighter given the low R9 value.

But it’s also roughly half the die size, so throw will surely be better, but flux might be similar.

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@LuxWad

Any news to share on your DM11 review? Take your time! I’m just looking forward to watch it while I wait for my slow shipped-unit.

[edit] @ doesn’t seem to be the right syntax… anyone want to call him out for me?? (Sorry)

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This forum doesn’t support callouts unfortunately (or maybe fortunately)

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It’s not the full review, but here is my first look and impressions of the DM11 (Nichia B35AM 5000K).

The review will take another couple of months or so, I will have to get another with a different LED. I’m not sure which is better, SFT40 or XHP35 HI…

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Do you work with commercials? You should work with commercials. I’m sold!

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Crap! I really want one now... I mean the camera smile

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Hank are you going to stock additional DM11 optics on your components page?

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Hank Wang wrote:
elendur wrote:
How large does the DM11 b35am beam look compared to the DM11 sft40 beam?

Any chance we could see a picture of the 2 hotspots next to each other?


Yes, please refer to this image.

The one on the far right is what I’m using in my dev host. Or perhaps even more floody, not sure exactly which optic it’s using. It’s a nice beam, but it’s not very throwy at all. And the host is pretty scratched up and had some manual corrections to the shape. So it’s great for dev purposes, since it’s functionally the same as a production model but not in good enough condition to be sold to a customer or sent to a reviewer.

Hank Wang wrote:
After tuning it a bit, I managed to use the small angle optic for the B35AM LED, the dark spot in the beam is elimiated, the beam is clean now. The candela has jumped from 25kcd to 48kcd, now the B35AM version can also be called a small thrower.

This looks like a nice upgrade! Big Smile

LuxWad wrote:
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How is the tint?

Pretty neutral, just a bit on the green side, especially in the spill. Overall it has a very natual, very white look, compared to something like an SST20, but not as pretty as 219b. I like it.

It might help to check the lens, and maybe polish off the AR coating. Hank said your light is 99% the same as a production version, and the lens might be that other 1%. I noticed the coating on my dev host was different than his other lights, and gave the beam a green hue, but he said that’ll be fixed in production. If that affects yours, you should be able to fix it by scraping off the AR coating with a polishing cloth or something.

I’m leaving mine as-is because it’s the only time I’ve seen this type of AR coating and its uniqueness makes it useful. The coating has sort of a rainbow hue depending on the angle. When I remove the lens, the beam looks white instead of green.

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Ordered a green B35AM R9080 3500K w/amber switch back light. Could not resist after that vid.

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DM11 > D1S Steve

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Do you work with commercials? You should work with commercials. I’m sold!

Glad you liked the video! I don’t do any commercials… maybe in the future!

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It might help to check the lens, and maybe polish off the AR coating. Hank said your light is 99% the same as a production version, and the lens might be that other 1%. I noticed the coating on my dev host was different than his other lights, and gave the beam a green hue, but he said that’ll be fixed in production. If that affects yours, you should be able to fix it by scraping off the AR coating with a polishing cloth or something.

I’m leaving mine as-is because it’s the only time I’ve seen this type of AR coating and its uniqueness makes it useful. The coating has sort of a rainbow hue depending on the angle. When I remove the lens, the beam looks white instead of green.

Thanks for the suggestion! I gave it a try – There is not any coating that I can see on the lens of my light, and removing the lens did not change the color of the beam in any way. It appears based off this sample that Hank has listened to the feedback and changed/removed the AR coating.

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LuxWad - That was a great video btw! Wow, love the super clarity in the macro shots, plus the smooth motion. Just amazing!!

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Kinda disappointed to see the extreme price premium for the B35 options (and XHP35 HI to a lesser extent given the more expensive emitter). I don’t see that sort of bump in cost for switching drivers from competing brands, and unless this is a new design it doesn’t really knock it out of the park in terms of efficiency.

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LuxWad – agree with everyone: your videos are fantastic and you now have a new subscriber, the informative yet relaxed (and honest) reviews are spot on

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LuxWad wrote:
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It’s not the full review, but here is my first look and impressions of the DM11 (Nichia B35AM 5000K).

The review will take another couple of months or so, I will have to get another with a different LED. I’m not sure which is better, SFT40 or XHP35 HI…

Thanks for the video! I was trying to hold off but you’ve forced my hand. Ordered one with B35AM 3500K Big Smile

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Kinda disappointed to see the extreme price premium for the B35 options (and XHP35 HI to a lesser extent given the more expensive emitter). I don’t see that sort of bump in cost for switching drivers from competing brands, and unless this is a new design it doesn’t really knock it out of the park in terms of efficiency.

It may have something to do with the individual hand-tuning the optic requires to sit at the correct height for the B35AM.

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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
Kinda disappointed to see the extreme price premium for the B35 options (and XHP35 HI to a lesser extent given the more expensive emitter). I don’t see that sort of bump in cost for switching drivers from competing brands, and unless this is a new design it doesn’t really knock it out of the park in terms of efficiency.

It’s a boost driver that is more expensive.
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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
Kinda disappointed to see the extreme price premium for the B35 options (and XHP35 HI to a lesser extent given the more expensive emitter). I don’t see that sort of bump in cost for switching drivers from competing brands, and unless this is a new design it doesn’t really knock it out of the park in terms of efficiency.

Pray tell me which competitor is selling those cheap boost driver lights, asking for a friend Big Smile

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LuxWad wrote:
It's not the full review, but here is my first look and impressions of the DM11 (Nichia B35AM 5000K). The review will take another couple of months or so, I will have to get another with a different LED. I'm not sure which is better, SFT40 or XHP35 HI...
 

 

Since video shows non calibrated thermal runtime, would you mind showing properly set themp settings runtime and output?

500lm seems to me too weak for this massive heatsink of flashlight...

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id30209 wrote:

LuxWad wrote:
It’s not the full review, but here is my first look and impressions of the DM11 (Nichia B35AM 5000K). The review will take another couple of months or so, I will have to get another with a different LED. I’m not sure which is better, SFT40 or XHP35 HI…
 

 


Since video shows non calibrated thermal runtime, would you mind showing properly set themp settings runtime and output?


500lm seems to me too weak for this massive heatsink of flashlight…

It’s a 98 CRI LED, it is going to get relatively hot. I guess it’s going to fare better under a cold night out than in a lumen tube.

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Lumen9000 wrote:
It's a 98 CRI LED, it is going to get relatively hot. I guess it's going to fare better under a cold night out than in a lumen tube.
 

 

I have around 20pcs of B35AM and AR and they can sustain 1000lm without a sweat. Better find one and try so you’ll see how underpowered looks this initail video…

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Hank's rating is 1400 lumens with the B35AM. Video shows 3.6 amps from a boost driver for a 6V LED, looks like 1650 at start, so maybe ~1500 at 30 secs. The light is 120 mm long, 40 mm head - nothing at all very big, think of it as a BLF/Eagle X6 but little shorter, or an Astrolux EC01 but slightly larger head diameter.

My immediate question is why limited to 3.6 A? Can the driver take 4 amps?

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